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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 6:53:55 AM   
Reflectivesoul


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one day...I do wish...this were an open and completely colorblind existence....but that won't happen in my lifetime.....so in the meantime..... most....will stay comfortable...doing the things they do....with those they feel comfortable doing them with....(unless comfort isn't a consideration and you step outside the box)


I can definately identify with wishing people would see people for people. Not their differences but their likenesses, take away the outward appearances and the gender and the basis of all people are the same, we all need, want, wish, dream, and live. Its not a skin color or a regional background that make us who we are, its the inner "me" that we all. Its not a name, its not a label, its not in an origin, its what we develop as to who we truly are as a person, period.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 7:03:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well,  this is a very, very intriguing subject...considering.  However, I must ask, how can you speak for all black people.  How about you limit that to the black people you know.  It will help keep your comments credible.  Love this smiley!

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Well I hope this doesnt sound racist..but I think black people are more in touch with their sensuality, they have an earthiness about them...I also find it in native type people...i think there are differences in races....but that doesnt mean to say a white person cant have that too...I just think its less common.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 7:12:54 AM   
MsEbonyDomme


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Status: offline 		Well, I read the whole forum.  Look people, everyone is entitled to express themselves and have their preferences.  Don't try to figure it out.  That is not why you are here.  What she eats does not make you shit.  Why the uproar?  You will not change her preferences or how her Dom trains her.  It is "their play".  They are entitled to conduct it in whatever manner they chose. Maybe if we allowed other people their space and choices, we could learn to be more accepting of others

I think the french say....chacun a son gout. 


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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 7:36:18 AM   
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2) is a racial thing, blacks will play the race thing for the fact that it is Race. My Aunt is a Teacher for over 30 years. One of the teachers she worked with over those 30 years was black. One time this black teacher called a black child's mother to explain why she had suspended the boy and why his behavior was unaccetpable in her class room. The Mother immediately told the teacher "You wouldn't treat this boy this way if he were white, your just rasist because this is a black child" The teacher her self was black!"

The Mother is sitting there making it a race thing not even knowing who is on the otherside of the phone!


ok after finishing the entire comments section I still have a major issue with this post. People claim they themselves arent rasist but post some bullshit like this? If I had a dollar for every time I have heard a well if I were black, hispanic, asian, etc I would be rich. To make an ignorant generalization that ALL black people play race cards is truly stupid IMO, because a LOT of people use cards, and that does NOT speak for others in their racial grouping. If people would stop long enough to quit dishing out well if you were's and started looking for the well we're together on's things would flow much better between societies as a whole.
 
I have been with people of other races, shoot me I'm bad *eye roll*, but I never once saw them for a color or a race, I saw them for the men or women that they are!
 
I do however believe that in the tone of the OP that it was intended to raise hackles on people because there was a respect extended to "like minded" people and a general disreguard twords others be it intentional or not. To sit there and say one is superior to another because of the color of their skin however is rasist no matter how its viewed, its prejudged and its ignorant. Quite honestly most racism comes from ignorance and not understanding someone for who they are, not what they look like.  By further goading by saying that there arent many black male submissives only reinforces the intent of the OP, in my eyes. I can happily say that I have come across and enjoyed african american male submissives as well as a general mix of all races of males, but to me in MY own eyes they are men not colors, shapes or sizes.  They are also individuals who have their own goals and dreams which to me is a whole hell of a lot more important than what color their skin is.
 
*hops off my soap box and leaves this to everyone else since I've thrown my bits in as well*

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 7:52:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WichitaDomFem

As I started to read the posts after Blkmastersgirls question I found several people not responding to her question or giving her feedback concerning her question. It became a racist issue discusion blog. Please get back to answering her question or giving her your insights thru your own experience as she asked for with the correct subject at hand or get off of her blog!!! I find it very disrespectful and uncalled for.  


Interesting that you find the fact that her blog was "hijacked" due to her racist as well as ignorant statement disrespectful and uncalled for but have not said one word about how disrespectful of white, dominant men the words of this submissive were.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 8:43:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Interesting that you find the fact that her blog was "hijacked" due to her racist as well as ignorant statement disrespectful and uncalled for but have not said one word about how disrespectful of white, dominant men the words of this submissive were.


I couldnt agree with you more on that one

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 9:02:47 AM   
zumala


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Status: offline 		I have seen people that I thought were attractive physically, and people I thought weren't attractive physically.  I've met people I admired for their intelligence, and people that appeared to be so stupid (or just plain non-thinking) that I wondered if they'd survive the day intact.  I've met friendly people and unfriendly people.  I've met leaders and followers.  I've seen kind people and cruel people.  I've seen those who care about doing good and those who pride themselves in their ability to cause havoc.  I've seen those who care about others and those who don't give a sh*t about anything but themselves.
 
My point?  Not a single catagory of person was EVER a single color.  It's not the color that matters, it's what the person underneath that skin is like and what they're thinking that counts.  I get just as annoyed by a black person bashing white people as I do a white person bashing black people.  Statements phrased with an all-encompassing word are always wrong.  "Blacks always do this"  "Whites are that" "Hispanics are all"  Blah-blah-blah... 

People are people.  Every person is an individual and not a color.  The sooner everyone figures that out and/or at least accepts it, the better off we'll all be.

My two cents.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 9:06:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsEbonyDomme

It is "their play".  They are entitled to conduct it in whatever manner they chose. Maybe if we allowed other people their space and choices, we could learn to be more accepting of others



Exactly!  It's their kink, and if it makes them happy, fine!

Their kink doesn't make them racist any more than your being a domme makes you a sexist man-hater, or my being a sub makes me a pathetic victim.  We're all just crazy hedonists!


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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 9:43:34 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		I won't represent that I read the entire thread, apologies if someone brought this concept up for consideration previously.

A person's skin melanin concentration should have as much considered as a person's costume. Remember the Nazi uniform thread? The uniform didn't make a person more or less anything, it was a prop, a personal preference, perhaps preference that reached the point of fetish. Hang on - I am NOT equating a persons pigmentation with Nazism. I'm making the opposite point. It's the mentality and emotional exchange between people that generates the dynamic. The uniform or skin color only plays into it IF a person is labeled prejudicially because of what they wear or skin tone.

Ideally, when looking for someone, you are blind regarding the surface issues of dress and skin; and in depth insightful regarding the persons integrity, sincerity, and honesty. Long term compatibility requires getting naked past the costume, and getting to know a person more than "skin deep". If the fetish aspect is predominant in your search, you may find the fetish and lose everything else you deem of value. Excluding someone because of how well their ancestors skin evolved and adapted to their environment may have you excluding someone who is the elusive "one" you seek. The sampling pool to come in contact with a potential "one" is shallow. Taking out more water doesn't make the head first dive easier.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 10:11:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I have an odd question but it did stem from this whole topic..... I'm wondering if it is possible that someone who may have an orientation to liking a specific race and when they date outside of that race then they unconsciously set that other person up to fail, because initially they dont meet up to standards because they are not in a that persons prefered race. I highly do NOT think this was or is the case in this situation, because there is much more blatant disrespect of a white Dominant versus a black Dominant from the OP.
 
However after cooling off a bit from the obvious lack of respect and the intentional goads I did stop and think about relationships as a whole, because while maybe we dont see someone as a race we DO as human beings look for people that appeal to us on a physical level. ( yes in some cases it can be called shallow, and is, but its the truth) There are certain things that are "turn on's" and "turn off's". My question revolves around if a race is a turn on and someone dates outside of that and the relationship fails, could it be possible that its because the person seeking dated someone that simply wasnt in their race specifications, so therefore they come back with some idea or impression that another race is "better" than another, when in fact it is their own preferences and ideals that in the end caused the relationship to fail, not because the other person wasnt as good as or better than someone in the preferred race.
 
ok I hope that made sense, its kinda confusing to me so I hope it didnt come out like a bunch of babble lol. If it did feel free to ask and I'll gladly help out where I can with what I am meaning. Thanks,
 
~RS~

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 10:52:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		So I guessing that all this talk of "Black" and "White"  you are meaning Dark skinned Americians and Pale skinned Americians? And how Americian culture and history has molded peoples views/kinks  ....its like a taboo thing for Americians to date outside their skin shade  right?  (so do you guys carry colours sheets to check for borderline cases)
So the (pale) OP seems into race play/ taboo breaking  and that may seems like a huge deal to her given the culture she is in...Oh and her Dom is the Bestest (honeymoon stage?) because/despite/as well as/     hes  a different shade to her....
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As an outsider to US culture this is just a surreal thread..


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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 10:53:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, prejudices based on race are racist prejudices.  Racism is not limited to institutions.

As I've said a few times now, I'm not convinced that the OP really is a racist.  I'm assuming she just means that a black master works better for HER--and that's not racist.  But she said a few highly incendiary things in the process, and it's only natural that people are going to object to them.  Racist comments are just about the most hateful comments you can make.

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ORIGINAL: upstateppls

I must dissent. Racism is an insitution, not an attitude. The statements you are characterizing are better called prejudicial. There is no racially-based institution that was established to keep white folk held down.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 11:28:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see that this will never end.  How about this one.  Maybe, that is why this lifestyle is full of fetishes.  What do you think.  Can she not have her fetish without condemnation, or comment from the masses.  

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 11:33:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsEbonyDomme

I see that this will never end.  How about this one.  Maybe, that is why this lifestyle is full of fetishes.  What do you think.  Can she not have her fetish without condemnation, or comment from the masses.  


I don't see anyone condeming her kink though perhaps some like myself take issue with how she EXPRESSES that kink. Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it.
 
Blessed Be,
Phoenix's Nika

< Message edited by Phoenixandnika -- 5/15/2006 11:34:49 AM >

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 11:47:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dollbecky

So I guessing that all this talk of "Black" and "White"  you are meaning Dark skinned Americians and Pale skinned Americians? And how Americian culture and history has molded peoples views/kinks  ....its like a taboo thing for Americians to date outside their skin shade  right?  (so do you guys carry colours sheets to check for borderline cases)
So the (pale) OP seems into race play/ taboo breaking  and that may seems like a huge deal to her given the culture she is in...Oh and her Dom is the Bestest (honeymoon stage?) because/despite/as well as/     hes  a different shade to her....
Cool Bananas
As an outsider to US culture this is just a surreal thread..


You know, I've seen this from several posters to this thread now...the condemnation of people for 'daring' to say something to this girl as if her fetish is wrong.

I would be willing to believe that, for the most part, most people on here don't give a rat's *** about whether or not the OP is into playing with people of a different color.  I have played with people of a different color and yes, the color issue did come into it as part of the fantasy/fetish scene.

What most of us who have expressed a disagreement with is the racism underlying this statement:  "...Black men are superior to white men..."  I find it odd that some defending her fail to see that.  Or would it only be racism if the contrary view were expressed by a white person?

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 11:52:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

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ORIGINAL: MsEbonyDomme

I see that this will never end.  How about this one.  Maybe, that is why this lifestyle is full of fetishes.  What do you think.  Can she not have her fetish without condemnation, or comment from the masses.  


I don't see anyone condeming her kink though perhaps some like myself take issue with how she EXPRESSES that kink. Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it.
 
Blessed Be,
Phoenix's Nika


I couldn't agree more Nika (see my previous post).  No one is condemning her for her fetish; it was her (or her Master's) expressed racism that provoked condemnation.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 12:17:56 PM   
Lashra


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Status: offline 		No race is superior, neither is either gender. We are all human beings and equal. It sounds to me as if your Master is a bit racist and wants to ingrain that in you as well. Perhaps it makes him feel more dominant or superior to know he has a woman of the opposite race a bit brainwashed. Hard to say. If you prefer a black Master then I'm glad you found what you were seeking.

As for black submissives there are lots of them. I have met several black males seeking a white Domme. One such male told me that reason he prefered a white Domme was because he has more respect for a white Domme and it made him feel more like a slave. As to his way of thinking a white Domme represented a plantation owner who would have total power over him.

I think its strictly personal preference really. But here again whatever floats your boat and makes you happy.  

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RE: Black Masters - 5/15/2006 3:32:00 PM   
orfunboi


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Status: offline 		i don't think anyone is condemming her kink, i know i wasn't. If she thinks this guy is the best thing that has ever come along, thats great. The comment i took issue with, and saw several others mention, was the "but he does remind me that Black men are superior to white men" i also wondered why she consitantly caps black but not white, actually i wonder why she caps either one, but thats another thread. Then i read a slew of posts asking why everyone is picking on the poor girl for asking a question and really wonder if they read the whole thread.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/19/2006 6:58:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: WichitaDomFem

As I started to read the posts after Blkmastersgirls question I found several people not responding to her question or giving her feedback concerning her question. It became a racist issue discusion blog. Please get back to answering her question or giving her your insights thru your own experience as she asked for with the correct subject at hand or get off of her blog!!! I find it very disrespectful and uncalled for.  


Interesting that you find the fact that her blog was "hijacked" due to her racist as well as ignorant statement disrespectful and uncalled for but have not said one word about how disrespectful of white, dominant men the words of this submissive were.

I did not say it was due to her post or questions, nor did I say that she made a ignorant statement. What I did say was "I found several people not responding to her question or giving her feedback concerning her question. It became a racist issue discusion blog." 
 
If you read my post prior to this one you will see that I had a question for her and was simply waiting for her answer before I gave any comment at all. I am not here to judge anyone for anything and wanted to reply to her question but will not without more details from her.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/23/2006 6:01:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think with the history of this country that having a black dom could be a real huge turn on for some. It is kind of like a huge role reversal. I dont think the color of ones skin makes them a better or worse anything but it could be such a phychological turnon for some that they get the notion that blacks are better doms.

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