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PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:05:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Interesting and what is the whip for in taming or any other taming techniques that use 'patience, kindness and firmness' in circus horses from Spain etc? Did I not say there was two ways? A whip can be just for show as well, as well as a training tool that has nothing to do with abuse. So let me get this straight the trainer shows the horse the whip and it obeys? Its quite obvious you havent been around horses. Guess you believe spurs are used often and repeatedly too. Almost certainly sometimes, which is why Jockey's get pulled up for it and excessive use of the just for show whip.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:05:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Peon: yes you did, and yes I do. That made me laugh out loud! At least your hijack is heartwarming.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:06:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave Interesting and what is the whip for in taming or any other taming techniques that use 'patience, kindness and firmness' in circus horses from Spain etc? You have clearly never ridden. Horse are not just large and massively muscled, you'd have a hell of a time hurting one while you were riding it unless you got lucky. Horses have a very limited attention span and get easily distracted. A whip is just to get the horse's attention. I'm sure there are some people who attempt to beat their horses (or their dogs, or their subs) into submission, but that doesn't really work. Even if you think you succeeded, you just created a broken down thing that is subject to attack you the first chance it gets.

PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:07:21 AM)
Now I see why Phil does it. Playing devils advocate is actually fairly amusing. Yes, physical domination does work but, this is typically used by the young and/ or inexperienced dom. . . . . . . . or, by someone acting out of anger and not in control of their facilities. However, mental domination is exceedingly effective and probably the better route. This goes for woman and older, more experienced, doms. Watch an experienced dom or domme and the strength of the mental aspect becomes all to clear. Now, how does each of you feel now that I mentally dominated you in to the fit y'all just had?

PeonForHer -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:07:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave Of course muscle is the best form of dominance over both men and women. It's how Governments have always ruled. When women had the same rights as lunatics it was easy for abusers to physically abuse. It isn't. They ruled with weapons, then they learned how to rule by means of legitimation strategies. (Antonio Gramsci.) That is, they made it seem 'natural' that everything was just the way it was, and couldn't be any different. Men (or indeed women) who still shrilly go on about how it's 'natural' for men to dominate women (at home, in society, in the workplace) are buying into one of those legitimation strategies.

PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:07:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave Interesting and what is the whip for in taming or any other taming techniques that use 'patience, kindness and firmness' in circus horses from Spain etc? You have clearly never ridden. Horse are not just large and massively muscled, you'd have a hell of a time hurting one while you were riding it unless you got lucky. Horses have a very limited attention span and get easily distracted. A whip is just to get the horse's attention. I'm sure there are some people who attempt to beat their horses (or their dogs, or their subs) into submission, but that doesn't really work. Even if you think you succeeded, you just created a broken down thing that is subject to attack you the first chance it gets. Well, I know excessive use of the whip is illegal in horse racing and often happens....

PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:10:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave Of course muscle is the best form of dominance over both men and women. It's how Governments have always ruled. When women had the same rights as lunatics it was easy for abusers to physically abuse. It isn't. They ruled with weapons, then they learned how to rule by means of legitimation strategies. (Antonio Gramsci.) That is, they made it seem 'natural' that everything was just the way it was, and couldn't be any different. Men (or indeed women) who still shrilly go on about how it's 'natural' for men to dominate women (at home, in society, in the workplace) are buying into one of those legitimation strategies. Yeah, by 'muscle' I mean physical dominance, this may include the use of weapons... Male dominance is natural in a situation where women are not protected by laws. I agree with laws protecting women and every time a woman falsely accuses a man of something it sets things back greatly for the 'sista's' being abused, but don't think some don't do this.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:11:53 AM)
RedMagic--actually, I was demonstrating female dominance :) I know how to be a good predator. (I do wish the quote function worked on my phone...)

Awareness -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:12:26 AM)
For the love of Christ, Phil can you at least try and keep on topic.

PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:16:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness For the love of Christ, Phil can you at least try and keep on topic. Well, I can... All this talk of horses and elephants has helped me. I wondered if it was Freudian with the ladies, due to how well hung both animals are. :-)

BonesFromAsh -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:18:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PdxJ Now I see why Phil does it. Playing devils advocate is actually fairly amusing. Yes, physical domination does work but, this is typically used by the young and/ or inexperienced dom. . . . . . . . or, by someone acting out of anger and not in control of their facilities. However, mental domination is exceedingly effective and probably the better route. This goes for woman and older, more experienced, doms. Watch an experienced dom or domme and the strength of the mental aspect becomes all to clear. Now, how does each of you feel now that I mentally dominated you in to the fit y'all just had? So, when you said..... quote: Dommes on the other hand, and yes I do hear the flame throwers starting up, are living under an evolutionary illusion that men and women are physically equal. Yes, granted, there may be a few that could back it up but seriously - take away the consensual and men are the dominate. We can take what we want. Women like to play that they can and I give them their due - they talk a great game but, seriously, drop the consensual and it's not even the same game let alone the same ballpark. ...... you were just "playing" devil's advocate? How very dominant [8\|]

leadership527 -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:18:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PdxJ When you get right down to it - males can claim dominance and have since the dawn of man simply because we can. The very first cave man saw that gnarly dirty, yet naked, cave chic and clunked her ass on the head with his club and took her how he wanted her - hard, rough, and as often as he wanted. What was she gonna do about it? Not a damn thing. OK, that's a pretty story I admit. Fit to come right from the pages of a Gor book no doubt. However, it's important to remember that it is only a story you've made up in your head and one that flies in the face of multiple, easily observed attributes of humanity. Just like reading a Gor book, going with that story requires me to envision humans behaving VERY differently from the humans I know. Animals, left to their own devices, tend to be according to their nature. It's only when we do things like capture them and put them in zoos or similar OUTSIDE activities that they behave "unnaturally". So given that we are, by far, the dominant species on this plant, what outside influence caused us to behave unnaturally? Put more simply, if the "natural" mate selection method for humans is violence and rape, why do you think we stopped? I'm not personally aware of any guy who got his mate via kidnap or assault. I met Carol at a work party. Are things done differently where you live?

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:22:01 AM)
quote: Well, I know excessive use of the whip is illegal in horse racing and often happens.... You know Phil, you might have more success with your posts if you quit talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about. Yes, excessive use of the whip is illegal in horse racing and anyone riding with a whip or a quirt that could actually cut horse flesh, well that's frowned upon in general. But it's illegal in horse racing b/c it gives the jockey an unfair advantage, and the race-goers don't like it. Like you, they think the horse is being abused. Now, I'm not saying a horse can't be abused, they can and are. I am certainly saying it's not that easy to do with your run of the mill horse crop. I don't have the strength to do it, yet I can control a horse just fine.

PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:22:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 quote: ORIGINAL: PdxJ When you get right down to it - males can claim dominance and have since the dawn of man simply because we can. The very first cave man saw that gnarly dirty, yet naked, cave chic and clunked her ass on the head with his club and took her how he wanted her - hard, rough, and as often as he wanted. What was she gonna do about it? Not a damn thing. OK, that's a pretty story I admit. Fit to come right from the pages of a Gor book no doubt. However, it's important to remember that it is only a story you've made up in your head and one that flies in the face of multiple, easily observed attributes of humanity. Just like reading a Gor book, going with that story requires me to envision humans behaving VERY differently from the humans I know. Animals, left to their own devices, tend to be according to their nature. It's only when we do things like capture them and put them in zoos or similar OUTSIDE activities that they behave "unnaturally". So given that we are, by far, the dominant species on this plant, what outside influence caused us to behave unnaturally? Put more simply, if the "natural" mate selection method for humans is violence and rape, why do you think we stopped? I'm not personally aware of any guy who got his mate via kidnap or assault. I met Carol at a work party. Are things done differently where you live? Many nations use arranged marriages and if women are not keen we honour killings to consider. Your society's norms are not everyone's. These might be the best nations to consider in this discussion. The ones where women are not free to speak and have opinions and men control them with fear and violence.

PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:22:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh quote: ORIGINAL: PdxJ Now I see why Phil does it. Playing devils advocate is actually fairly amusing. Yes, physical domination does work but, this is typically used by the young and/ or inexperienced dom. . . . . . . . or, by someone acting out of anger and not in control of their facilities. However, mental domination is exceedingly effective and probably the better route. This goes for woman and older, more experienced, doms. Watch an experienced dom or domme and the strength of the mental aspect becomes all to clear. Now, how does each of you feel now that I mentally dominated you in to the fit y'all just had? So, when you said..... quote: Dommes on the other hand, and yes I do hear the flame throwers starting up, are living under an evolutionary illusion that men and women are physically equal. Yes, granted, there may be a few that could back it up but seriously - take away the consensual and men are the dominate. We can take what we want. Women like to play that they can and I give them their due - they talk a great game but, seriously, drop the consensual and it's not even the same game let alone the same ballpark. ...... you were just "playing" devil's advocate? How very dominant [8\|] Manipulation (ie: Mindfucking) is an extremely useful and often used method.

LadyPact -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:23:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PdxJ Now I see why Phil does it. Playing devils advocate is actually fairly amusing. Yes, physical domination does work but, this is typically used by the young and/ or inexperienced dom. . . . . . . . or, by someone acting out of anger and not in control of their facilities. However, mental domination is exceedingly effective and probably the better route. This goes for woman and older, more experienced, doms. Watch an experienced dom or domme and the strength of the mental aspect becomes all to clear. Now, how does each of you feel now that I mentally dominated you in to the fit y'all just had? No, but you did make something of a point. If you are equating male Dominance by the use of brute strength, you're really lowering their capabilities. Perhaps this is why many male Dominants seem so very unimaginative at times. Just take a look at how many of those silly threads on 'how do I punish a submissive' or 'how do I humiliate'. Darn near every time they are started by Doms. There just aren't as many threads started by females who can't seem to figure out the more in-depth versions of play. Of course brute force is used by males. It's the easy answer.

PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:24:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt quote: Well, I know excessive use of the whip is illegal in horse racing and often happens.... You know Phil, you might have more success with your posts if.... More success? Bwahahaha

PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:24:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 quote: ORIGINAL: PdxJ When you get right down to it - males can claim dominance and have since the dawn of man simply because we can. The very first cave man saw that gnarly dirty, yet naked, cave chic and clunked her ass on the head with his club and took her how he wanted her - hard, rough, and as often as he wanted. What was she gonna do about it? Not a damn thing. OK, that's a pretty story I admit. Fit to come right from the pages of a Gor book no doubt. However, it's important to remember that it is only a story you've made up in your head and one that flies in the face of multiple, easily observed attributes of humanity. Just like reading a Gor book, going with that story requires me to envision humans behaving VERY differently from the humans I know. Animals, left to their own devices, tend to be according to their nature. It's only when we do things like capture them and put them in zoos or similar OUTSIDE activities that they behave "unnaturally". So given that we are, by far, the dominant species on this plant, what outside influence caused us to behave unnaturally? Put more simply, if the "natural" mate selection method for humans is violence and rape, why do you think we stopped? I'm not personally aware of any guy who got his mate via kidnap or assault. I met Carol at a work party. Are things done differently where you live? LOL! I've never read the books and will never read those books. I do not adhere to such crap and refuse to live my life by the word of badly written 'novels'. But thank you for playing along.

Awareness -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:24:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 I do get rejected by a lot of women, and sometimes it is because I am too short. I am 5'7" tall, average-to-fit build, and I recently made a move on a woman who is 6'0" and jacked. She hasn't said no, and I think she isn't quite sure what to do, but wishes I were at least 5'10". I am currently commissioned to write a review of a book in the field she got her PhD in, which is something she doesn't run into every day. I estimate about a 10% chance of getting past second base. We'll see. She seems cool, and I am currently in a pleasant situation, though it is unlikely to be long term. In the vast majority of cases, height is only a problem if you think it's a problem. I've known short guys with game who get laid like rock stars. quote: And that's the thing. Context is everything. Of course most men don't set their wives and homes on fire after being laid off, even if they have watched Eminem's "I Love the Way You Lie" video 100 times. But, if you're a social scientist, how do you measure "degree of misogyny" in a population? It's not even a terribly useful metric as it represents a vast simplification of a set of complex sociological interactions. But as an example, it's well known in this country that when the All Blacks lose, domestic violence goes up. We know this because the support services for women and children experience an increase in demand. Yet, it's a monumental simplification to dismiss this as simple misogyny. A great deal of it occurs in the Maori population, although mentioning the demographics isn't considered politically correct. To understand it, the impact of white society on a warrior culture and the resulting loss of mana needs to be examined in detail. Similarly, people break up and get together over Christmas and New Year. Sometimes both. It's my belief that reaching for the easy explanation for sociological phenomena is almost always an error.

PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 10:27:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact No, but you did make something of a point. If you are equating male Dominance by the use of brute strength, you're really lowering their capabilities. Perhaps this is why many male Dominants seem so very unimaginative at times. Just take a look at how many of those silly threads on 'how do I punish a submissive' or 'how do I humiliate'. Darn near every time they are started by Doms. There just aren't as many threads started by females who can't seem to figure out the more in-depth versions of play. Of course brute force is used by males. It's the easy answer. Off hand, can you give a rough guess-timate of how many of the more experienced doms post those types of posts vs the younger, less experienced?

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