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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 12:56:52 PM   
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However, mental domination is exceedingly effective and probably the better route. This goes for woman and older, more experienced, doms. Watch an experienced dom or domme and the strength of the mental aspect becomes all to clear.
Now there's a good point! Perhaps the physically based domonance is more the venue of inexperienced dominants, rather than it being a gender issue. I think this is dead on actually.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 1:03:42 PM   
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For the love of Christ, Phil can you at least try and keep on topic.

I have a request to everybody: Please, just ignore Phil, if you really want to tear into him, Lord knows he has started enough threads of his own that there is plenty of opportunity to do so. let him make his posts on this thread all he wants, but if we all ignore him here, then he will either go away, or even if he stays, he won't matter.

We have a relatively <wink, wink...just teasing> reasonable  proponent of the male dominance is innate viewpoint we can debate, so lets just ignore the unreasonable unbalanced one, OK.

Thanks :)

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 1:07:14 PM   
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I dunno who said this, just copy the quote from something you replied to

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No, penile penetration is an implicitly dominant sexual act


This is such incredible BS, it can only come from a deeply traumatized rape victim, certainly not from a person who ever had a good consensual fuck.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 1:12:35 PM   
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Put more simply, if the "natural" mate selection method for humans is violence and rape, why do you think we stopped?
Excellent point!!! I wish I'd thought of that one myself <writes it down for next time...>

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 1:14:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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Put more simply, if the "natural" mate selection method for humans is violence and rape, why do you think we stopped?
Excellent point!!! I wish I'd thought of that one myself <writes it down for next time...>



Uhhh the women complained too much about headaches after being clubbed and then ravaged?

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 1:19:28 PM   
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If penile penetration is an implicitly dominant sexual act, then so is vaginal enveloping.
Yay!!! Wonderfully said!!! Another "wish I'd thought of that" moments.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 1:38:27 PM   
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Where was I?  Oh yes, women.  Delightful creatures, total pain in the ass most of the time but useful for administering blowjobs.  Also tend to be handy in the kitchen, although that's probably not a representative sample, I've just been fortunate in that regard.
Oh oh, I guess I'm really of no use then. I don't administer bowjobs and I'm useless in the kitchen (I burn grilled cheese sandwiches). I guess I'll just have to fall back on being generally delightful.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 1:41:04 PM   
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Why do they still exist?
To make women look even better by comparison.

Oh and to change the oil in your car. Icky messy dirty job!!!

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 2:11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vaginal enveloping is not a BDSM term by the way. (I have heard and seen "engulfing" too.) There have been significant discussions, books, etc., in feminist theory for over twenty years about equalizing or feminizing the power relation of the penetrative sexual act. It doesn't get much traction here, but for some people the idea is quite important.

And this is for La Tigresse: http://krasnan.com/dentata.pdf

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 2:28:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PhilSlave


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Ever tamed a horse, phil?


Actually no.. However, women don't usually go out and catch wild horses and most horses that are broken are in captivity. The cultures where horses are broken most are highly masculine e.g. Mongols, Arabs, Spanish etc.




BULLSHIT!

I have been VERY involved in the horse industry my entire life. All of the best horse trainers have been women. My sister, an excellent horse woman, works for another woman that is internationally known....paid for a multi-million dollar ranch in the banana belt of Colorado with the income she has generated via her horse training skills. Not an easy feat.

I have, right now, two horses in my pasture. One was deemed untrainable and was on the way to the kill buyers when I got him. He is now my 'old reliable'.......every male that tried to make him a good riding horse failed where I suceeded. And he was actually quite easy to train. I can put a child on him but a man will be lucky to accomplish anything with him. The other horse in my pasture.......he has been more of a challenge. 100% Arab and full of piss and vinegar. No one could even touch him when I got him. He had to be run into a stock trailer to be brought home. Within a week I had a halter on him and was able to touch hime anywhere. Most men are afraid to ride him. It has been my experience that men prefer dead broke brain dead quarter horse types. They are usually afraid of a spirited horse. The sort I prefer and do well with.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 2:47:34 PM   
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BULLSHIT!

Well sure. But surely it's obvious to you in this thread that actual facts are not going to sway the theoretical opinions of these folks. Ideologues don't think in terms of facts. So it doesn't matter how many women say "not for me" and how many men say "not for me". Those people will all be relegated to being clueless about their own selves.

It's like trying to argue evolution with a creationist. You can trot out any number of facts and they will all be discounted in some way or another.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 2:49:43 PM   
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My suggestion? Just put them on ignore. :)

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 2:54:48 PM   
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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 2:57:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

What fun would that be???


As long as you're having fun, carry on. ;)

Personally, I prefer to ignore trolls...and even some longtime posters on here. :D

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 2:58:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		While my experience with horses is limited, I noticed that most horses react better to females, I don't know why, it might be the smell?

While most male dog experts kept on telling me that due to being female I can't ever be the pack leader for a dog, oddly enough I always made a completely different experience, H would never harm or hit the dogs and they will do things for him and follow his commands, but he sometimes has to repeat his commands and intimidate them a bit (hard stare, stern voice...) I hardly ever have that problem, they usually follow a command before I even said it, it might have to do with the body language as well? Or maybe my dogs never read the books that tell them that they can only accept a male pack leader? Oddly enough both of our current dogs "picked" me, by coming for cuddles, I dunno if I smell right for them (I do shower every day at least once), it doesn't matter where I sit in the house, they'll be draped all over me and the cats on top of that, teaching them a new trick takes me a lot less time than if H tries to show them, the only time I ever hit one of them was when Kia snapped at my pet rat because she was jealous, and then with a rolled up newspaper, it shocked and scared her so much, that she peed herself (yeah and I am glad we have wooden floors, as I had to mop it up). I think women just have a much better natural rapport with most animals due to body language, we don't tend to have that male bluster and trying to be intimidating. Though sometimes I wish it was different, trying to type on a laptop when 2 Dobies and 2 cats are mugging you for attention can be quite a challenge...

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 3:08:03 PM   
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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 3:12:45 PM   
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Who's the one who feeds your dogs the most often?


Me, as he doesn't understand that the dogs have internal clocks and just usually is "absent" when it comes to taking them for long walks, and they get food in the morning and the evening. But I also make them do things before I give them the command that they can go and scoff. Mind you, I also make sure I eat before the dogs do, while he will feed them from his plate (not reinforcing that he's higher up as the pack leader will eat first, bit like in a lion pride)

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 3:16:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		That Victoria Stilwell from the Me or the Dog show belies the male as pack leader notion. Dogs know when you mean business, and dogs like dobes need that reinforcement, like letting them know they are eating YOUR food.

Wish it worked on parrots. :/

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 3:22:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
BULLSHIT!

Well sure. But surely it's obvious to you in this thread that actual facts are not going to sway the theoretical opinions of these folks. Ideologues don't think in terms of facts. So it doesn't matter how many women say "not for me" and how many men say "not for me". Those people will all be relegated to being clueless about their own selves.

It's like trying to argue evolution with a creationist. You can trot out any number of facts and they will all be discounted in some way or another.


It's clearly about the willingness and ability, or otherwise, to receive the facts, of course. A always equals A; A can never equal A/not A. Some people will look at this picture and see an old lady. Others will see a young one. It can be difficult to wrench the brain around so that it sees the alternative. RedMagic's right: the idea of a vagina that engulfs a penis, rather than that of a penis that penetrates, doesn't seem to have gained much traction here at CM. Why not? One of the answers must be that people are too wedded to the first idea. A=A, and it can't be anything else; a vagina is a thing that gets penetrated, and can't be anything else - and that's that. It's not primarily a problem of science, it's a problem of the willingness to do just a bit of philosophy.


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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/30/2011 3:24:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't seen that show, but the worst punishment I can give them is ignoring them or refusing to let them cuddle up with me, a "bad dog" in the direction of the misbehaving beast usually has them whimpering and grovelling and showing off all their tricks without being prompted, for extreme violations of the rules (like opening the backdoor, jumping over the fence and visiting other gardens or houses or visiting doggie friends somewhere) they are punished with not being allowed to snuggle up. Works a charm. Actually works even better with 2 than with one, as there is a bit of rivalry going on who's "mommies best dog" - now if I can get Kia to stop picking up the cats and cleaning them, I'll be happy as it usually results in really really pissed off (and soaking wet) cats.

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