• fabricates a complete story...or
  
• uses something awful that really has happened as an excuse.
  

• Such as their Car really did break down in the rain, however they did not bother calling you as promised, yet they could call all kinds of people looking for help on their cell phone.
  
• Somebody being so sick they can't IM with you because they need their rest to recover, yet can spend time otherwise online reading things and interacting with other people.
  

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
The topic being "The Bullshit Game of Empathy", which in itself seems to be a reoccurring theme on the message board... The whole "Ferris Bueller" run around, instead of being straight up with you about shit. It's pretty amazing the amount of lies or untruths people tell, which are centered around manipulating the empathy of another person.

Some people around here really need help or advice. Others are just bucking for attention and sympathy. Then there's the third category of people who really need help AND want attention. It's usually clear which category a poster falls into, but not always.

There are also some strange stories that get put out there, and it's not always possible to tell when someone's lying or being manipulative. But if i thought they were, i simply wouldn't take them seriously. It's easy. No one can "make" you feel guilty.

...Which is another Bullshit game people play!! Dominants or submissive are supposed to be this that or another fucking way. I will assure anybody I'm more than happy to stand out from behind whatever label or title and give them a piece of the real human being that's me.
I'll crank up Alice Coopers "No More Mr. Nice Guy" with an attitude too.

i'm not sure this qualifies as a thread of substantial depth. It seems more like a rant to me. No one here is making you do anything. They are not "making" you feel sympathy or guilt. They are not "making" you adhere to some kind of standard for what you're "supposed" to be like. If this rant is referring to something specific, then i guess i must have missed it. i don't know precisely what you're talking about. But if you really want to be Alice Cooper, knock yourself out.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm  just going to say that I'm glad I wasn't the target.

At the same time, I'm going to be really frank with you, Whip.  Here are some real life events that have actually happened.

I really did have a front end collision driving on My way to pick clip up for a munch.  It scared the crap out of Me at  the time.  I did have the sense to call, but I contacted My other half first.  That story that's on the boards about clip borrowing a car to try to find where My accident happened really is true.

I really did receive an incorrect diagnosis at one time for cervical cancer.  I didn't know it was wrong at the time.  (Oh, by the way, the intern punctured My cervix during the exam.)  When I went back for the six month follow up, some dumb-ass called Me and read Me the incorrect result from the prior test.

I really have cancelled trips out of town due to weather.  Three times, actually.  The funniest one was that it snowed in My location in California for the first time in ten years. 

Now, I'm no drama llama, but these things really have happened over the last five years.  When they did, I'd have been more than happy to back up My story.  You have to look at these things from that angle.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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i'm not sure this qualifies as a thread of substantial depth. It seems more like a rant to me. No one here is making you do anything. They are not "making" you feel sympathy or guilt. They are not "making" you adhere to some kind of standard for what you're "supposed" to be like. If this rant is referring to something specific, then i guess i must have missed it. i don't know precisely what you're talking about. But if you really want to be Alice Cooper, knock yourself out.

pam

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
Ladypact... I know and sincerely know that these kinds of things do happen in life. Hell, I'm a moving target for crazy things to happen at times too. Sincerely, as long as these things are for real. It's not an issue. There are those people that do make up things. To the point it's surreal. I was involved with somebody for nearly three years, somebody that I visited in the Real Time. Somebody that when I was being told this stuff to. I assumed it was for real. Many things, I never even once doubted as not not being true. Sincerely, I myself have had crazy things happen to me. What is sad, is when you've been involved with them. Then slowly but surely the elaborate ball of deception starts to become undone. I sincerely even tried to confront her about why? why the lies? and what was the real truth? To this day, I still don't know. I will never know. However, it was truly an earth shattering reality that hit me. When I sat down and realized exactly what had happened. The complete play upon Empathy.

When things are really real and one is being straight up, that's wonderful. Extremely wonderful. I totally understand where you are coming from. What blew my mind away is that I would never dream of manipulating anybody with such lies and playing upon their empathy to like this. When somebody drops dead in my family, it's for real. I don't make up stories about a death and going to a funeral for a whole weekend, or some untrue sob story.

There are people really like this, what makes me sick to my own stomach is to have had so much shit.. or rather been hood winked for so long. My visits to she her were rather threatening because it risked exposing the truth. She made sure to minimize these risks. The more I visited and was wanting something more real, is when things started to get really off more and more.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

fr

i too see this thread more as a rant. the fact that you say you are hoping that two particular people read it seems to me that you have a beef with them over something. would it not be better to just speak to them if it gets your pip that much. it's rather sweep all to say that there are so many people that you just know are lying. you don't know most of the people personally that you are aiming that at. if you do then again speak to them about it instead of brushing a whole heap of people with your lier brush.

as for me, well if i put something personal in a thread it's to try and help explain why i have the opinion, or feel the way i do about things. i certainly don't want people feeling sorry for me, i'm not like that in real life let alone on a board full of strangers. you can't always use a hypothetical example for why you as a person may think or feel a certain way.

needles

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ORIGINAL: DeviantMan

I have a simple philosophy over the matter, which has proven itself trustworthy, for me at least, over the years. There is a main difference between somebody that has a bad luck streak, with examples like Ladypact mentioned, or less critical, or even more critical, and somebody that uses those examples, real or not alike, as a public display.
Coming to the point of view of the "misfortunate" person, someone that is really in the middle of some crisis, serious or not, will most likely not make his/her life a public display, and will only inform a strict number of people about it. Ideally, he, or she, will accept consequences for any inconvenience occurred, without even bothering to explain (Personally, I've done so, when giving out an excuse, even if it was real, was the least I had in my priorities, in the middle of some shitty crisis)
On the other hand, someone that will start spreading his misfortune, accident, or bad phase to everyone, is bound to have an agenda. We tend to be defensive and shelled up, when we are under pressure, or in a bad streak, and sharing our "weakness" is always a "no" option, unless the receiver of our story is someone we trust completely.
Personally, I try to see the "hints" of someone, and I will adjust what to expect accordingly. It's not a failsafe solution of course, as I've been wrong in the past, more than enough times, but it saves the inner pain, in a good majority of the cases.

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

I hate to bust your bubble! But somebody did try to play the Make me adhere card on me!! YES, it's somebody off this site! So you are sadly mistaken with "NOBODY HERE" comment!!

No, i wasn't, because i said that no one here is MAKING you adhere to their standard, and not no one here is trying. They can try all they want. If they succeed, it's because you let them.

Why else do you think I would post such a comment? I was straight up about having ulterior motives also connected in posting the thread.

In that case, maybe it would be better to write them an email. Or maybe whoever you're addressing this to will eventually shed some light on it. However, i'm responding to the thread as it was written, and it was written to give not much clue as to what you're talking about. i can't judge your ulterior motives, because i don't know what they are. i'm sincerely sorry if somebody played on your sympathy. But i can't comment on what i don't know.

You're right about no one here is making me do anything. The point I'm stressing is that nobody is going to either!! (do you see where I'm coming from now?).

Honestly, no.

The point to be made, is that some people play this game. Even people you've known or think you've known for awhile.

Dishonesty bugs me too. i'm sorry about whatever it was.

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

fr

i too see this thread more as a rant. the fact that you say you are hoping that two particular people read it seems to me that you have a beef with them over something. would it not be better to just speak to them if it gets your pip that much. it's rather sweep all to say that there are so many people that you just know are lying. you don't know most of the people personally that you are aiming that at. if you do then again speak to them about it instead of brushing a whole heap of people with your lier brush.

as for me, well if i put something personal in a thread it's to try and help explain why i have the opinion, or feel the way i do about things. i certainly don't want people feeling sorry for me, i'm not like that in real life let alone on a board full of strangers. you can't always use a hypothetical example for why you as a person may think or feel a certain way.

needles

Some of the examples I've used are not hypothetical. I also not lumping everybody into this category either.

Jesus Fuck Christ!! Tell you what!! You want more details of the ugly truth!! Try this on for size!! The person you are involved with, becomes pregnant while having cancer that came out of remission yet they won't get an abortion because of their religious beliefs...and their life is at Risk! You try wrapping your mind around feeling responsible for it, cause it's partly your fault that they are pregnant. You are sincerely worried about their well being. You've having to deal with hours of phone calls being supportive and their for them. In the mean time you digress to a point of stressed out with worry for them. Because you sincere care!! Only to the joke is on you! None of it really ever fucking happened! Just like how her grandmother never died and there never really was a fucking funeral!!

It's pretty low of you to sit there behind your PC and tell me I'm using Hypothetical Shit HERE!!

YES, I'm clearly expressing Why I feel and think the way I do on this Subject! I'm sharing exactly why and how I personally relate to this topic. It's very up front and personal.

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
It actually makes me feel rather stupid that I could let somebody take and reduce me down to an emotional train wreck!!