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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Ya know whats really funny about all this? Limbaugh went to hawaii where he said...

“Based on what happened here to me, I don’t think there’s one thing wrong with the American health care system. It is working just fine, just dandy.”

I think thats wonderful!

Hawaii health care isnt like most of the country. Hawaii requires employers to provide health care for anyone who works 20 hours or more a week and has a 90% coverage rate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/health/policy/17hawaii.html

Its an interesting article.

But, you are right. Its best to agree to disagree. The rest of us have hashed this out on the boards before.

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we can offset most if not all of the cost of medical school without the government’s help by charging doctors for specialty training.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

We estimate that we can make medical school free for roughly $2.5 billion per year — about one-thousandth of what we spend on health care in the United States each year. What’s more, we can offset most if not all of the cost of medical school without the government’s help by charging doctors for specialty training.

Under today’s system, all medical students have to pay for their training, whether they plan to become pediatricians or neurosurgeons. They are then paid salaries during the crucial years of internship and residency that turn them into competent doctors. If they decide to extend their years of training to become specialists, they receive a stipend during those years, too.

But under our plan, medical school tuition, which averages $38,000 per year, would be waived. Doctors choosing training in primary care, whether they plan to go on later to specialize or not, would continue to receive the stipends they receive today. But those who want to get specialty training would have to forgo much or all of their stipends, $50,000 on average. Because there are nearly as many doctors enrolled in specialty training in the United States (about 66,000) as there are students in United States medical schools (about 67,000), the forgone stipends would cover all the tuition costs.

While this may seem like a lot to ask of future specialists, these same doctors will have paid nothing for medical school and, through their specialty training, would be virtually assured highly lucrative jobs. Today’s specialists earn a median of $325,000 per year by one estimate, 70 percent more than the $190,000 that a primary care doctor makes. (Although a large shift away from specialty training may weaken the ability of our plan to remain self-financed, the benefits would make any needed tuition subsidies well worth it.)

And the stipends would be gone for specialists. Next time, try reading the whole article.

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LOLOLOLOLOL "What’s more, we can offset most if not all of the cost of medical school without the government’s help by charging doctors for specialty training." And what we can't offset....we will TAKE FROM YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!! There isn't ONE government program that runs in the black. And you think this one would? You are hopelessly naive.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

It works just fine in Hawaii. Why do you hate so much? Arent you one of those who believe State rights rule?

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

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LOLOLOLOLOL "What’s more, we can offset most if not all of the cost of medical school without the government’s help by charging doctors for specialty training." And what we can't offset....we will TAKE FROM YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!! There isn't ONE government program that runs in the black. And you think this one would? You are hopelessly naive.

You know...what is so beautiful about this is that these liberal scumbags come right out and ADMIT (something liberals just don't do) that their program won't be covered.  They just don't have the integrity to say where the shortfall will be made up (so often the case with liberals).  What they also lack is the integrity to say that people have a nasty, little habit of working their way around government control.  So if their program doesn't end up with a 20% shortfall but instead ends up with an 80% shortfall, they will still keep the program implemented together with all of the bureaucracy that it takes to administer it; all of the salaries, desks, computers, health care, pensions, etc. etc. etc. etc.

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What these two assholes deliberately failed to address was HOW medical school would be free. Sure, the students would receive a stipend/subsidy from the government but that money comes from.......................wait for it.........................our tax dollars.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

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LOLOLOLOLOL "What’s more, we can offset most if not all of the cost of medical school without the government’s help by charging doctors for specialty training." And what we can't offset....we will TAKE FROM YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!! There isn't ONE government program that runs in the black. And you think this one would? You are hopelessly naive.

You know...what is so beautiful about this is that these liberal scumbags come right out and ADMIT (something liberals just don't do) that their program won't be covered.  They just don't have the integrity to say where the shortfall will be made up (so often the case with liberals).  What they also lack is the integrity to say that people have a nasty, little habit of working their way around government control.  So if their program doesn't end up with a 20% shortfall but instead ends up with an 80% shortfall, they will still keep the program implemented together with all of the bureaucracy that it takes to administer it; all of the salaries, desks, computers, health care, pensions, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Whats even funnier is that it shows you to be the liar you are.

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What these two assholes deliberately failed to address was HOW medical school would be free. Sure, the students would receive a stipend/subsidy from the government but that money comes from.......................wait for it.........................our tax dollars.

Yet, there it is, in black and white, from the article you claim it wasnt in.

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

It works just fine in Hawaii. Why do you hate so much? Arent you one of those who believe State rights rule?

You just hit the nail on the head, honey!!!!!  States rights!  If a ***************STATE*************** wants to tinker with socialism...let it.  And so if Mass wants a form of ObamaCare, what the hell, they voted it in and they can vote it out.  But so too should be the case with abortion.  If you don't like the abortion laws in one state, you drive across the border to another.  If you don't like the blue laws on Sunday in one state, you drive to the next.  Sure, I'm all in favor of it. 

But that is also where you and I disagree.  Because I want public referendums on most issues and liberals oppose that like the plague. 

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I'm not a liar, Taz...they say it in their article.  They say that they believe they can offset most of the cost.  When has that happened?  It never happens, baby, it is a fucking tag line!  The difference between you and me is that I just don't fall for it any longer.

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What these two assholes deliberately failed to address was HOW medical school would be free. Sure, the students would receive a stipend/subsidy from the government but that money comes from.......................wait for it.........................our tax dollars.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

It works just fine in Hawaii. Why do you hate so much? Arent you one of those who believe State rights rule?

You just hit the nail on the head, honey!!!!!  States rights!  If a ***************STATE*************** wants to tinker with socialism...let it.  And so if Mass wants a form of ObamaCare, what the hell, they voted it in and they can vote it out.  But so too should be the case with abortion.  If you don't like the abortion laws in one state, you drive across the border to another.  If you don't like the blue laws on Sunday in one state, you drive to the next.  Sure, I'm all in favor of it. 

But that is also where you and I disagree.  Because I want public referendums on most issues and liberals oppose that like the plague. 

Sorry, sweetness... if it works for the states, then the nation would be stupid to close their eyes and not embrace the solutions.

I, and every liberal I know would LOVE a referendum to this issue. Imagine the voter turn out! Let us chose... but... the choice would be a national health care system.

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in some countries it's a crime not to treat emergency cases delivered to a hospital because they cant pay - those refusing them get jailed 5 years minimum in most European countries
is it a crime in the USA too?

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Nope...most people understand that it flies in the face of the Constitution to require Americans to buy a product based solely on the premise that they have a pulse.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hawaii has been doing it that way for 35 years. I dont see their system going bust. I do see Big Insurance stepping into line there.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hawaii has been doing it that way for 35 years. I dont see their system going bust. I do see Big Insurance stepping into line there.

It depends on how long the tourism recession continues there. Union health plans are under tremendous cost cutting pressure.

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ORIGINAL: geilematz

omg - to some of you - take about half an hour and look up heath status on an international level on who.int (World Health Organisation)

some interesting data: rate per capita of health care expenditure pa: USA 7410 US Dollars (world record)
rate of maternal death per 100 000 births: USA 24 (just one in comparison: not so rich/expensive Ireland: 3)
health care personell per 1000: Austria about double for about half the costs of US ...

do you REALLY believe the US health system is the best in the world?
then your world begins and ends at the US borders
and even within ... it's among the lowest in quality of 1st world countries ...

you complain about paying so much and you are right

but what you get is low rate - so whose pockets are you really feeding?

in some countries it's a crime not to treat emergency cases delivered to a hospital because they cant pay - those refusing them get jailed 5 years minimum in most European countries
is it a crime in the USA too?