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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 12:03:12 PM   
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So, to bring this back to the OP, and the article there....

This is a suggestion for a solution to the shortage of Primary Care Physicians this country is facing, and a situation that will be escalating in the upcoming years.

Anyone else have suggestions?



I have one, if we had socialized medicine then specialties would not pay so much more than being a GP would, and more doctors would be attracted to it.

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 12:04:13 PM   
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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 12:16:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Submittit and Pheonix... thank you both for your replies. I didnt want you to think your posts were ignored. Its interesting to see how other countries deal with the financing of higher education.

Question for you both, if you wish to respond. Are there many physicians in your country that have trained in the US?

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 12:42:49 PM   
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Submittit and Pheonix... thank you both for your replies. I didnt want you to think your posts were ignored. Its interesting to see how other countries deal with the financing of higher education.

Question for you both, if you wish to respond. Are there many physicians in your country that have trained in the US?


To be honest I don't know...but when I hear how expensive studying can be in the US I doubt it to be many, considering it is almost free of charge in Germany and the universities are pretty good...my own studies in the UK only happened as i came to the UK when the economy had collapsed at home and during that time I considered to stay together with my british Partner, so felt I had to do that degree to earn a decent living over here due to my apprenticeships not being that useful over here....otherwise I would not have studied abroad...so I can't talk for the physicians but in regards to me I ended up studying abroad out of coincidentially stumbling into it....

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 2:09:46 PM   
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Our workforce has become highly educated since the last 60s when secondary (ie. high school) education became free, and on into university/college, part of the reason for the growth in the Irish economy was due to having a highly educated workforce with a low cost base.


ok a little off topic... part of the equation is having jobs for them to go to. The Irish govt gave certain corporations a tax break/tax holiday for 10 years to start new high tech companies/relocate existing companies to provide some of those job openings. And it worked very well, Ireland became the European Tiger with its booming economy, the envy of Europe.

What I dont understand is what happened with this last recession, it was like Irelands economy dropped like a rock, I dont know why and it leaves me scratching my head, any insight?

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 2:21:38 PM   
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Somewhere along the bickering I saw someone post that their tax dollars should not be used for someone else's education. Well, I am not aware of anyone that gets a property tax break just because they do not have kids in school, so the dollars are already being spent. The question would be to what degree and are they being effectively spent.

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 2:27:25 PM   
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Somewhere along the bickering I saw someone post that their tax dollars should not be used for someone else's education. Well, I am not aware of anyone that gets a property tax break just because they do not have kids in school, so the dollars are already being spent. The question would be to what degree and are they being effectively spent.


Big difference between K-12 and post secondary education.


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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 2:38:02 PM   
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~FR~

Somewhere along the bickering I saw someone post that their tax dollars should not be used for someone else's education. Well, I am not aware of anyone that gets a property tax break just because they do not have kids in school, so the dollars are already being spent. The question would be to what degree and are they being effectively spent.


Big difference between K-12 and post secondary education.



There is a big difference, yet both are still subsidized by taxes.

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 2:40:41 PM   
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Somewhere along the bickering I saw someone post that their tax dollars should not be used for someone else's education. Well, I am not aware of anyone that gets a property tax break just because they do not have kids in school, so the dollars are already being spent. The question would be to what degree and are they being effectively spent.


I guess others missed how medicare pays for the residency slots in this country.... how many people voluntarily pay into that system?

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 2:42:56 PM   
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Somewhere along the bickering I saw someone post that their tax dollars should not be used for someone else's education. Well, I am not aware of anyone that gets a property tax break just because they do not have kids in school, so the dollars are already being spent. The question would be to what degree and are they being effectively spent.


Big difference between K-12 and post secondary education.



There is a big difference, yet both are still subsidized by taxes.


Exactly...and one should be, the other shouldnt be.

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 2:44:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		So medicare shouldnt pay for those intern and residency slots?

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:04:59 PM   
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Somewhere along the bickering I saw someone post that their tax dollars should not be used for someone else's education. Well, I am not aware of anyone that gets a property tax break just because they do not have kids in school, so the dollars are already being spent. The question would be to what degree and are they being effectively spent.


Big difference between K-12 and post secondary education.



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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:08:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The article states that the "free" PCP care would be paid for by the "speciality" enrollment.

Would that be viable?

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:08:55 PM   
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Only because we choose where to draw the line. The difference is only in perception, and what we are willing to accept.



Big difference between "willing to accept" and ---> able to pay for.



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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:09:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		All types of education MUST be free,
Lets go back some 100s years back..... it was free then It Should be still free till Now....
I this It should be free FOREVER... All ages... All humans,
I have lost My education & now there is no Univercity where I live will accept me ....why? becouse I am over 24 years old....now that`s ballshit.

In middle East when you get 99.9% at high school you get Medical (Facility) not school,
I did got 99.5 back at 2002 & still can not get to study in KSA ... I am not saudi.... I had To go To Eygpt,
Dropped at 2005, & now can not get back, to any Education at all..... do you think that is fair? It is not... It is ballSh*t


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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:11:26 PM   
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Only because we choose where to draw the line. The difference is only in perception, and what we are willing to accept.



Big difference between "willing to accept" and ---> able to pay for.




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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:13:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The op talked about doctors.

We ahve a srious problem in this country and on that is going to have to be addressed.

It is the cost of healthcare and how it is going to be passed on to it's citizenry.

Some people don't care that health care is in disarray, they think it is fine to profit off of the sick. These are the types that tend to not take care of themselves and think that all should be burdened with the cost of their self exiled Hell and medical bills.



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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:14:16 PM   
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Only because we choose where to draw the line. The difference is only in perception, and what we are willing to accept. I believe that the quality of life for everyone would benefit from the populace being better educated.


Educating people is a boon to business. They do not have to pay for their own workforce to be educated. Everyone knows an educated slave is worth more than an unskilled uneducated one.

Usually it is people who have been educated that innovate... it is why research dollars flow into research universities... some are private, and some are not. What we subsidize when we subsidize universities is an infrastructure to innovate, and that in turn generates dollars.

As a society we tend to absorb the cost of things that provide a public good that cannot necessarily be shown to provide a profit. Higher education is a public good. Cities are even rated by the percentage of people that have a college education, and the higher that number is, the more livable the community with more to offer.

Generally speaking, for a country to be competitive, its people need to be educated. If the price becomes prohibitive, then more and more people have to opt out. The amount of student debt out there is astonishing, and it can be crushing to a young person to start their life with a 50k debt for a 4 year degree. I think that it is pretty sad that young people start their life out that way, and their only other option would be to compete in a job market that keeps the really good jobs out of their reach.

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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:14:21 PM   
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What we cannot afford is investing in the future of our nation. We already do that by ignoring, politicizing, and using certain things as chips in some grand game of ping pong. To ignore education is to support ignorance.



To ignore that we, as a country, are broke is ignorance.  You can't "invest" what you don't have.



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RE: Free College. - 5/29/2011 3:14:42 PM   
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< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 5/29/2011 3:15:22 PM >

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