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I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 2:02:27 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Has anyone else gone for a job, had the interview go exceedingly well, then, after all is said and done, they ask if your bilingual?   No mention of it being required or even desired in the ad.  Not to mention the dozens that ARE listed as bilingual only...isn't that discrimination? 

Obama included the fact that we all need to speak one language in several of his speeches, yet.....here I am, over fifty years old and starting a Rosetta Stone course, so I can get a job in my own country.   Rosetta Stone doesn't work for free either!  

Ok, my mini-rant is over.  *curtsies*

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 2:07:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Assuming you are in the US, you would most probably need to learn Spanish, and/or Portugese.... and, it can get a lot worse, if you consider that, I see job ads in the papers, on a daily basis, that ask for ROmanian, Ucrainian, Russian, Arab, Hebrew, Italian, German,Dutch, even Hindu speaking employees... it's a tough world, the Globalized work market... we get the most we can from it, and we are all as cornered.
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 2:34:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmpf, I'm trilingual, why don't I ever see job offers asking for that?

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 2:36:44 PM   
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 2:50:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		If having multiple languages is a requirement, it seems like that would be in the original job description!! What if the job asks for German, and you speak Russian? All well and good to have several languages, but if they are the wrong ones for the job...

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 2:53:25 PM   
LadyConstanze


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Like, duh, you learned one language too many, didn't you?


Unfortunately it wasn't Chinese or Russian, to be fair I did give Russian a try, but if it's a different alphabet it's a no go for me

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 3:09:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa

Has anyone else gone for a job, had the interview go exceedingly well, then, after all is said and done, they ask if your bilingual?   No mention of it being required or even desired in the ad.  Not to mention the dozens that ARE listed as bilingual only...isn't that discrimination? 


Yes... it is discrimination, but not the illegal kind. 

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 3:36:54 PM   
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Not to mention the dozens that ARE listed as bilingual only...isn't that discrimination? 

You mean...discrimination against people without a particular skill?

How dare they?

It's almost like employers prefer employees who can potentially communicate with a wider range of people! How unreasonable of them.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 3:42:26 PM   
LadyConstanze


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Status: offline 		VC, but if they expect that, they should have it in the job description...

Seriously, while on the continent a 2nd language is common, in the UK it's not quite as common, in the US it's even less common and to be honest, it's not unreasonable to expect people who live in a country to speak the language of said country. The whole "When in Rome" thing... Unless of course you are applying for an international job or something in import/export...

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 3:44:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Like, duh, you learned one language too many, didn't you?




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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 3:46:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sure, but Lisa was saying the ones that *are* listed as bilingual only are discriminatory.

Isn't that the point of the whole interview process? To discriminate between those a company wants as employees and those that they don't?

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 3:50:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vaguely, you may want to take a look at this...

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/05/arizona_bans_mu.php

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 3:53:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Sure, but Lisa was saying the ones that *are* listed as bilingual only are discriminatory.

Isn't that the point of the whole interview process? To discriminate between those a company wants as employees and those that they don't?


I actually read it as she applied for jobs that aren't listed as bilingual and then gets asked if she speaks another language... I could be wrong, but that was my impression

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 4:00:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

VC, but if they expect that, they should have it in the job description...

Seriously, while on the continent a 2nd language is common, in the UK it's not quite as common, in the US it's even less common and to be honest, it's not unreasonable to expect people who live in a country to speak the language of said country. The whole "When in Rome" thing... Unless of course you are applying for an international job or something in import/export...



Thank goodness Koreans don't feel like this. I can read it, I know enough to get by, but dang... it is a HARD
language to learn.

As to the OP: Yes, if it is something they want you to have, then it should be in the ad. I would consider it fraud.

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I actually read it as she applied for jobs that aren't listed as bilingual and then gets asked if she speaks another language... I could be wrong, but that was my impression


This is how I read it as well although I can see how the post is confusing. Start working on the English and the .... what is it? a dangling participle? For sure, it's unclear what the antecedent for "that" is!

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 4:04:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

a dangling participle? For sure, it's unclear what the antecedent for "that" is!


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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 4:04:56 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I actually read it as she applied for jobs that aren't listed as bilingual and then gets asked if she speaks another language... I could be wrong, but that was my impression


The bit I was responding to was this:

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Not to mention the dozens that ARE listed as bilingual only...isn't that discrimination?


That's a pretty clear statement that in this part she's talking about ones that are listed, no?

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 4:05:38 PM   
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 4:06:15 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Vaguely, you may want to take a look at this...

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/05/arizona_bans_mu.php

That article says that businesses aren't required to provide interpretation. Not that employers aren't allowed to require bilinguality. I'm not sure I see the relevance (?)

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 4:06:59 PM   
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I'm planning on taking some Spanish classes soon so that I'll be able to find a job when I move. In my line of work it's almost a necessity. The job I am currently at I run into this problem on a daily basis since the majority of my city is Hispanic and very few speak English and the majority who come into my office are Hispanic. On a daily basis I'm either trying to explain to the person that I don't speak Spanish and they will need to bring someone along who can interpret or calling upstairs to obtain one if they are free and willing to do me a favor. Most times they find it an annoyance to help our office.

I know it's going to be necessity for me to be able to speak another language if I ever want to find another job.


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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 4:11:12 PM   
LadyConstanze


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Has anyone else gone for a job, had the interview go exceedingly well, then, after all is said and done, they ask if your bilingual? No mention of it being required or even desired in the ad. Not to mention the dozens that ARE listed as bilingual only...isn't that discrimination?


See, I was looking at the part I bolded, which indicated to me that it wasn't in the job description...

Maybe Lisa could clear up the confusion?

Listing a job as bilingual only isn't something that I would call discrimination, it would be a requirement the potential candidate should fulfill or else not apply for the job, but unless you are in a place where it's expected (French or Italian Swiss for example or applying for a job where you deal with mainly immigrants or on an international level), it should be mentioned.

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