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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:19:16 PM   
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:19:40 PM   
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Would anyone consider is discrimination if an ad stated someone to be bilingual, and the other language they are seeking is never specified until you go to the interview?


Depends. Is education in that language widely available to people not of that ethnic origin? If so, then no, because discrimination is choosing between people based on something they can't change.

So if you specify they have to speak Hindi because (the key word in that sentence being 'because') you know only people from Indian backgrounds usually speak Hindi, then that's discrimination. If you specify they have to speak Spanish, which is widely offered to students at school, then no it isn't, because people of all ethnic backgrounds speak Spanish.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:20:05 PM   
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:22:08 PM   
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Would anyone consider is discrimination if an ad stated someone to be bilingual, and the other language they are seeking is never specified until you go to the interview?
No. Why on earth would anybody consider that discrimination? its bad ad writing, but nothing more. Sheesh!

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:23:39 PM   
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Yes, I feel that to advertise for someone that speaks a specific language, is discrimination of a sorts.

And yet, it isn't.  The company I work for has offices all over the world.  Customer/client facing employees in those countries are required to be bilingual at *least*.  Requiring employees to possess a certain skill that is a valid business need isn't ever going to be considered discrimination by anyone sane.

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I counted 18 advertisements for various positions in the local paper, 8, demanded Bilingual applicants only.   If English is our language, there should be no need.  Companies will say they have no way to communicate with those who only speak Spanish, so they must hire Bilingual.   I say, let those who take up residence in this country, learn the language.

You can say that all you like when you own your own company.  Then you can choose to enact such rules and alienate whatever portion of your customer base you choose.  Until then, I wish you luck on your job search. 

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:24:49 PM   
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Would anyone consider is discrimination if an ad stated someone to be bilingual, and the other language they are seeking is never specified until you go to the interview?
No. Why on earth would anybody consider that discrimination? its bad ad writing, but nothing more. Sheesh!


No clue why you are responding to me.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:26:33 PM   
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No clue why you are responding to me.

...because you asked an open question? The word 'anyone' kind of throws it open...

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:27:11 PM   
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:29:13 PM   
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Would anyone consider is discrimination if an ad stated someone to be bilingual, and the other language they are seeking is never specified until you go to the interview?


Depends. Is education in that language widely available to people not of that ethnic origin? If so, then no, because discrimination is choosing between people based on something they can't change.

So if you specify they have to speak Hindi because (the key word in that sentence being 'because') you know only people from Indian backgrounds usually speak Hindi, then that's discrimination. If you specify they have to speak Spanish, which is widely offered to students at school, then no it isn't, because people of all ethnic backgrounds speak Spanish.


You run across an ad, lets say for a restaurant. It says that you have to have experience, which you do, and that you must have wine knowledge, which you do, and that you must have some knowledge of alcohol, which you do. So you gather up your resume and off you go. You get to the interview, they look you over, then ask what drinks you are comfortable making. That wasnt in their ad. This is a known way to discriminate based upon looks.

The same could be said for asking for a bilingual speaking person without stating what the other language is. Maybe im just too jaded but I have seen instances like these time and time again.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:32:10 PM   
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:32:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once upon a time I wanted to be a surgeon so I went and applied to a hospital, but the bastards refused to even interview me because I don't have a medical degree. It's pure fucking discrimination, I can't help not having a medical degree! I was only 19, how can you expect a 19 year old to have been to university? It was blatantly just a sneaky way of discriminating against me for my age. It's disgraceful what these kinds of places are allowed to get away with.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:33:12 PM   
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Once upon a time I wanted to be a surgeon so I went and applied to a hospital, but the bastards refused to even interview me because I don't have a medical degree. It's pure fucking discrimination, I can't help not having a medical degree! I was only 19, how can you expect a 19 year old to have been to university? It was blatantly just a sneaky way of discriminating against me for my age. It's disgraceful what these kinds of places are allowed to get away with.



I merely asked a question. I never said any of the OP was discrimination or not.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:35:50 PM   
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You run across an ad, lets say for a restaurant. It says that you have to have experience, which you do, and that you must have wine knowledge, which you do, and that you must have some knowledge of alcohol, which you do. So you gather up your resume and off you go. You get to the interview, they look you over, then ask what drinks you are comfortable making. That wasnt in their ad. This is a known way to discriminate based upon looks.

The same could be said for asking for a bilingual speaking person without stating what the other language is. Maybe im just too jaded but I have seen instances like these time and time again.


That's the biggest bunch of ifs and maybes I've ever seen you post, tazzy. You didn't ask the question 'Would anyone consider is discrimination if an ad stated someone to be bilingual, and the other language they are seeking is never specified until you go to the interview, and then they deliberately use that as a method of screening out undesirable candidates for other reasons?' You've changed the question in a dishonest way.

But fine. Let's take the new question. Even in that situation, that's not discriminating against someone who can't speak a language, that's discriminating against someone who doesn't fit some other criterion and using language as an excuse. That's not what Lisa's complaining about - she's objecting to being expected to speak another language full stop, because English is the 'language of her country'.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:36:55 PM   
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Once upon a time I wanted to be a surgeon so I went and applied to a hospital, but the bastards refused to even interview me because I don't have a medical degree. It's pure fucking discrimination, I can't help not having a medical degree! I was only 19, how can you expect a 19 year old to have been to university? It was blatantly just a sneaky way of discriminating against me for my age. It's disgraceful what these kinds of places are allowed to get away with.



I merely asked a question. I never said any of the OP was discrimination or not.


What?  o_O
Are you sure you meant this reply for me?

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:37:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		No i didnt change the question. The question is still the same. They ran an ad that wasnt fully upfront about what they were seeking... a bilingual can mean english and french... or dutch and german. Someone who has knowledge of acohol turns into a bartender, which again is not in the ad.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:39:07 PM   
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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:39:31 PM   
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You've changed the question in a dishonest way.
Really? Tazzy do that? Inconceivable!

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:39:48 PM   
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Since your reply was to me, yes.

I think you missed the joke there.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:40:20 PM   
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But fine. Let's take the new question. Even in that situation, that's not discriminating against someone who can't speak a language, that's discriminating against someone who doesn't fit some other criterion and using language as an excuse. That's not what Lisa's complaining about - she's objecting to being expected to speak another language full stop, because English is the 'language of her country'.


Again, my question had little to do with Lisa's and everything to do with a question I raised along the same topic.

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RE: I didn't need a passport to get here...... - 5/31/2011 5:42:07 PM   
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Since your reply was to me, yes.


Umm, it wasn't. I'm not sure how you figured it was. It was a very general piss-take of the topic, I wasn't directing it at anyone.

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