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What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 2:08:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		He's seems a reasonable fellow, very intelligent, articulate, an established and well-respected businessman with loads of executive experience, a little flip floppy but no more so than any other politician. He's anti-choice and that's a deal breaker for me, personally, but I would think the GOP would be creaming in their pants for him. I understand the mandates in MA in regard to health care, but I can't buy that this one single issue would cause the GOP to eat its own young. In the general election against Obama, Romneycare is state, Obamacare federal, so while not exactly a wash, Romney gets the squeek for state over fed. From what I gather, his plan is working over there in MA.. isn't that a good thing?

Romney comes across to me as the conservatives best and brightest so, obviously I am not the brightest because I just don't get the animosity for him from the GOP? What am I missing? Why doesn't the GOP want to see this guy get the nod?

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 3:53:45 AM   
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Romney comes across to me as the conservatives best and brightest so, obviously I am not the brightest because I just don't get the animosity for him from the GOP? What am I missing? Why doesn't the GOP want to see this guy get the nod?

Because the fundamentalist Christian Right has the Republican Party by the balls, and Romney is a Mormon.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 4:05:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, wilbur and Firm both explained in another thread that's a myth made up by the Democrats.  The Christian Right holds no power in the Republican Party.




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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 4:34:59 AM   
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No, wilbur and Firm both explained in another thread that's a myth made up by the Democrats. The Christian Right holds no power in the Republican Party.

Well, it pays not to confuse Republicans with the Republican Party these days. Odd to say, I know, but true.

The primaries are going to be interesting. I would love to see Romney come out on top with Republican voters. Because that could give what's left of the Party a chance to get a grip on the Christian Right's balls for a change.

"Here the way it's gonna go, fellas. Romney or Obama. Y'all take your pick and let us know real soon now, he-ah?"

Guess who flinches.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 4:38:50 AM   
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I think Romney has a better chance of winning in the general election than winning the Republican nomination.


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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 4:44:07 AM   
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I think Romney has a better chance of winning in the general election than winning the Republican nomination.

Well I dunno... you might be right.

If you are, then we have a new two-party system: the Democrats and the Christian Religious Party.

CRP for short. Heh.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 5:04:06 AM   
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Romney comes across to me as the conservatives best and brightest so, obviously I am not the brightest because I just don't get the animosity for him from the GOP? What am I missing? Why doesn't the GOP want to see this guy get the nod?



1. The GOP doesn't want bright.  It's not simply the GOP - Kerry was painted as being too intellectual (remember when he went duck hunting to try to establish himself as a regular guy?).  One of the reasons Palin evokes interest is that she is not an intellectual - she deliberately gave photo ops of hunting wolves as part of her crafted image.  I suspect that a lot of the anti-Obama sentiment is due to his Ivy League, intellectual background.

The GOP and media like PASSION.  They like "Bring it on", "Mission Accomplished", etc.  They like Palin's and Bachmann's simple world views and Trump's looniness.  Romney, for all his virtues, elicits as much passion as a fish with perfect hair.

2. The GOP has a series of litmus tests that Romney passes barely if at all.  The fact that he's a moderate gives him a shot in the general but makes him almost unwinnable in the primary.  His strength is supposedly in economic issues, which should dominate the general, but the GOP is more concerned about social issues and budget cuts.

3. He's changed stances.  Health care, gay rights, abortion - he's toeing the main GOP line on those issues but had to change his stances to do that.  One of the many horrible things that W did to the US political scene was to excoriate Kerry so badly for flip-flopping and changing his stance that politicians are now expected to hold to their stances forever, as though changing under changing circumstances is ethically wrong, when in fact it is the only reasonable thing to do.

4. He's a Mormon.  Odd that the most sensible candidates such as Romney and Huntsman belong to the looniest religion.


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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 5:07:30 AM   
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Romney comes across to me as the conservatives best and brightest so, obviously I am not the brightest because I just don't get the animosity for him from the GOP? What am I missing? Why doesn't the GOP want to see this guy get the nod?

Because the fundamentalist Christian Right has the Republican Party by the balls, and Romney is a Mormon.

K.

You beat me to it Kirata.



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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 5:16:36 AM   
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I grew up in the Christian Right until I was old enough to escape.  The Mrs family is deeply involved.  We get bombarded with literature and email forwards from the different groups and organizations.  Occasionally we even read some of them just to see what's going on.

Last election cycle there were many "reminders" that Romney is a Mormon.  Some were subtle while others were quick to point out that the Mormons are a cult.  I expect to start seeing those again as the election cycle nears.

Many of these same people are birthers.  Email after email on the topic. 

Lots of support for Sarah Palin.

While they aren't able to just elect their own candidate they are a block vote that can push one candidate past another in the primary. 

Personally I believe Romney is the best of the Republicans running.  I also believe if elected he would mirror Obama in certain ways.  The further left you go in the Democratic party they are unhappy because Obama is not liberal enough.  I think you will have the same effect in the Republican Party.  The further right you go they will be unhappy because Romney is not conservative enough.

I think the closer to the center the better off we are all.


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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 6:56:03 AM   
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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 7:00:39 AM   
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No, wilbur and Firm both explained in another thread that's a myth made up by the Democrats.  The Christian Right holds no power in the Republican Party.






I know that was said rather tongue-in-cheek.

Here's an interesting article for any who care.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/05/the-iowa-caucus-kingmaker/8446/

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 7:06:36 AM   
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I think Romney has a better chance of winning in the general election than winning the Republican nomination.

Well I dunno... you might be right.

If you are, then we have a new two-party system: the Democrats and the Christian Religious Party.

CRP for short. Heh.

K.

Kirata,

It was that shift in the 80s that turned this independent to Democrat. If it ever stops, I'll again be independent.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 7:14:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mitt doesn't capture my imagination, and he just oozes that insincere, creepy politician vibe. I don't think he has the charisma and passion that will be needed to send President Obama back to Chicago.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 7:20:17 AM   
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he just oozes that insincere, creepy politician vibe


I wasn't going to say that, because it's so subjective...but I admit I was thinking the same thing.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 8:20:13 AM   
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Mitt explains Romney-care.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 9:33:41 AM   
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I don't want what they call, "the best and the brightest" in the White House, I want "a man or woman of the people."
The best and the brightest usually aren't. Just look at Oblunder, "a brilliant legal scholor" who only wrote one paper that they could find, something about children being able to sue their dead parent's estates!" Sheesh!
We're in the second half of his third year and unemployment is going up! And the economy sucks! And he wants a "free trade" program with S. Korea?
We'll be calling him "Barak Herbert Hoover Obama" pretty soon.
That's the "best and the brightest" for you!

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 9:38:59 AM   
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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 9:41:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Popeye you are a brilliant example of why America is racing towards the middle of the pack.All of you assholes in the search mediocrity should really let up about now,after all we as a Nation have already achieved your goals....we seem to be firmly in the middle of the pack as a Country...unless of course what you really want is for us to bring up the rear?
Please allow those of us who would seek to ADVANCE America and Americans handle the next few elections.....youngest sit back and bitch and moan..it would appear to be what you are best suited to doing!!

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 9:42:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know, this continues to baffle me......

Free trade is a Republican issue. Economically saavy Democrats know it's important (Clinton, for example), but they have to dance around their base to do it, and changing to Republicans doesn't change it (NAFTA started with Bush I--in fact, Republicans bitched that Clinton was "stealing their issues"). Disaster would have been a Democrat like John Edwards, who advocated all the anti-trade things you'd love to see.

I'm also puzzled why people don't want to see trade goes both ways. Our technology is a strong point in our manufacturing exports, and S. Korea is rapidly developing technologies we could be selling them instead. They are already way ahead of us in technologies the conservatives have constrained here, like stem cell research.

In short, your political leanings would take you even further into what you do not want. It makes no sense.

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RE: What's wrong with Mitt Romney? - 6/10/2011 9:59:11 AM   
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He's seems a reasonable fellow, very intelligent, articulate, an established and well-respected businessman with loads of executive experience...



For me personally, he just comes off too much like a stuffed-shirt "politician", I suppose?  If given the choice between him and the idiot currently in the Oval Office, I'd go with Romney... but in "South Park" terms, it'd be akin to a choice between a "Douche or a Turd Sandwich".  It's still very early in the process, so who knows who it'll come down to???


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