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Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 6:14:19 AM   
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The cry is that food stamp enrollment has doubled under Obama.

Thank you BamaD for bringing that to my attention.

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For example the true and easily checked fact that there are more people on food stamps under Obama was attacked as racist while if the same had been true under Bush it would have been proof of what a terrible and uncaring person he was.


So, a simple google search brought this up...

Over 44 Million Now On Foodstamps (Doubled under Obama)

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/food-stamp-s-up-50-under-obama

FY 2006 - 26,548,833
FY 2007 - 26,316,045
FY 2008 - 28,222,630
FY 2009 - 33,489,975
FY 2010 - 40,301,666

http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/15SNAPpartPP.htm

Those numbers doubled under Obama?

But, dont take my word for it....

Cain said food stamp program use up under Obama

Last week, the state’s other presidential contender, Newt Gingrich, said Obama deserves to be called "the most successful food stamp president in American history" because "47 million Americans are on food stamps."

We ruled Gingrich’s statement Half True. For the most part, Gingrich got his facts straight but oversimplified who was to blame.

Cain, a former radio talk show host and Godfather’s Pizza CEO, urged the crowd at his rally to "look at the facts." PolitiFact Georgia is all to happy to oblige him.

Food stamps, officially known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, give certain low-income Americans vouchers to buy groceries.

The most recent data show roughly 44.2 million people received SNAP benefits in February, the most recent data available.

Cain’s numbers aren’t quite accurate, but he’s close. The number of recipients has topped 44 million since December, which means his estimate is about 7 percent too high.

The number of beneficiaries has climbed every single month since Obama took office, despite signs of an improving economy. According to historical data, February’s count appears to be the highest in any month since the program was established in 1969.

Obama took office in January 2009. That month, nearly 32 million people received SNAP benefits. That means the number of food stamp recipients has increased by about 12.2 million since the start of his administration.

Cain placed the increase at 14 million, which is about 15 percent too high. Again, he’s close, but not quite right.

Whether Obama deserves the blame for the increase is far less clear.

The rise in food stamps is a direct consequence of the Great Recession, which started more than a year before Obama took office. Conservatives and liberals agree that Obama inherited a troubled economy. Whether SNAP usage would have been lower if Republicans won the presidency is impossible to tell.

The number of food stamp beneficiaries ticked upward under President George W. Bush because of policies that broadened eligibility for the program and more aggressive efforts to get eligible Americans to apply for benefits. These policies remained in place under Obama.

Another reason assigning blame is tough is that there is typically a lag between when the broader economy begins to recover and when SNAP usage declines. The monthly growth has slowed for the past three months, and it could start declining in a month or two.

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/may/24/herman-cain/cain-said-food-stamp-program-use-under-obama/

Ya know, facts are hard to fudge... numbers are even harder to lie about. Would be nice if people would get the facts straight.

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RE: Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 6:18:14 AM   
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RE: Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 6:21:17 AM   
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Food stamps usage went up with the unemployment rate and people collecting unemployment.   As unemployment has leveled off and even started to show improvement Food stamps have leveled off as well.  There was also a large push under Bush to inform eligible people and get them signed up for benefits they were eligible far. 

That is too complicated for most to understand

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RE: Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 6:28:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		True. I could care less about the racist comment bama made reference too. Welfare always did have a black face, even though more white people are on the program.

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RE: Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 7:32:51 AM   
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There was also a large push under Bush

What is a "push under Bush"? Is that like one of those disappearing license plates?

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RE: Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 7:35:49 AM   
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RE: Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 7:39:27 AM   
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There was an effort under the Bush administration to educate people and get them signed up for services they might benefit from.

Everything Bush did wasn't terrible.  IF he had just paid more attention to the economy and stayed out of Iraq I do believe we would all have been much better off.  Not to mention he would be more fondly remembered.




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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 7:41:04 AM   
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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 7:42:46 AM   
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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 7:45:56 AM   
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One of the things that separates me from lefties is I measure success on how many people are fucked over rather than how many people are helped.


Here I cleaned that up to show your real thoughts.


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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 7:53:23 AM   
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One of the things that separates me from lefties is they in part measure success on how many people are on welfare. I define success in part on how many get OFF of welfare.


Yet it was yur buddy bush who sought to increase the number of people on food stamps by making those who were elligable aware that they were entitled to food stamps.
You appear to be saying that dubya was a leftie.
Why is it that when you get your nose in the public trough it is ok but not for anyone else?

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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 8:03:04 AM   
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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 8:24:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did not say Obama was bad because of the number of people who were on food stamps.  And I did not claim, as implied, that they had doubled.  I just pointed out the double standard.  If it was under Bush he would have been stupid and that wouldn't count as uncivil but because it happened under Obama noticing it was racist and therefore uncivil.  PS I doubt that Obama personally approved any food stamp applications. I would consider that number to be more a measure of the economy than of food stamp policy.  Both for the attempt to inform people of the fact they could get them and for giving them to people who need them.  This whole debate is a red herring, those numbers were clearly brought out to show the state of the economy.  

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RE: Foodstamp fantasy - 6/13/2011 8:30:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		How long after someone unemployment runs out and they become eligible for foodstamps.??
Im asking because I dont know the eligibility of foodstamps.
the numbers may well have increased at a horrific rate, but you have to trace this back to the original reasons for the foodstamp increase. 8 million jobs lost in one year didnt happen overnight, it had been coming for a while.




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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 9:08:28 AM   
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I did not say Obama was bad because of the number of people who were on food stamps.  And I did not claim, as implied, that they had doubled.  I just pointed out the double standard.  If it was under Bush he would have been stupid and that wouldn't count as uncivil but because it happened under Obama noticing it was racist and therefore uncivil.  PS I doubt that Obama personally approved any food stamp applications. I would consider that number to be more a measure of the economy than of food stamp policy.  Both for the attempt to inform people of the fact they could get them and for giving them to people who need them.  This whole debate is a red herring, those numbers were clearly brought out to show the state of the economy.  


Learn how to quote people properly. Lucy didnt say that about you... actually, neither did I.

Read the OP again. I never said YOU were the one crying... nor did I state YOU claimed it had doubled. I said there was a cry... and I posted a few links to verify that. I thanked you for bringing it all to my attention.

You really should learn to read better.



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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 11:20:07 AM   
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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 11:22:48 AM   
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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 11:57:04 AM   
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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 12:20:07 PM   
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I think I qualify(being disabled and all) but have never applied.....I wonder what else I qualify for ?


I'm on Social Security Disability, and I don't qualify for the food program.  Besides my SSD I also get about $400 per month income from the sale of part of my dad's estate.  That amount put me over the food program eligibility amount by $11.  But that's fine.  I didn't like being on that program anyway though it was definitely a help while I waited 2 1/2 years for "the system" to look at my disability eligibility.

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RE: leftist fantasy - 6/13/2011 12:24:08 PM   
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