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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:30:24 PM   
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I wasnt the one calling you "he". Besides I have told others you post too much like a teenage girl to ever believe you were male.



Who the fuck knows, who the fuck cares...lol

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:33:06 PM   
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I wasnt the one calling you "he".


You asked...



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:33:12 PM   
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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:38:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am still waiting for a well informed rebuttal to not only Mr Barnes, but Mr Steele, on how what they say is somehow unfactual. I mean, that is what the thread is about.

I do not know why I am being asked to prove the OP was right, when I would think that the onus is on whomever is challenging the experts in this discussion and calling them wrong (Barnes and Steele who are Black men who talk about the structure of racism in their party) should present that proof

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:40:19 PM   
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I wasnt the one calling you "he". Besides I have told others you post too much like a teenage girl to ever believe you were male.



Who the fuck knows, who the fuck cares...lol
I don't. I've had it on iggy since I figured out there was nothing to be gained by reading the sanity clone. The "mini-sanity", if you will.


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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:41:51 PM   
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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its not just thw two of them. The fact that many black politicians who ran in 2010 complained about the lack of support, even from Steele. This has been a systematic ignoring of minorities by the Republican party.

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:45:25 PM   
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Structural Racism

Definition: Structural Racism in the U.S. is the normalization and legitimization of an array of dynamics – historical, cultural, institutional and interpersonal – that routinely advantage whites while producing cumulative and chronic adverse outcomes for people of color. It is a system of hierarchy and inequity, primarily characterized by white  supremacy – the preferential treatment, privilege and power for white people at the  expense of Black, Latino, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Arab and other  racially oppressed people.



From what Ken Barnes and Michael Steele have said



Neither have stated what YOU claim is the definition of "Structural Racism" -- again, using YOUR definition.

It doesn't exist... and your continued insistence that it does is either woefully ignorant, partisan, or an outright lie.




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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:45:32 PM   
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Its not just thw two of them. The fact that many black politicians who ran in 2010 complained about the lack of support, even from Steele. This has been a systematic ignoring of minorities by the Republican party.



I know this, but I was restricting my comments to those examples that I presented.

I think that it is really easy to get off the beaten path in this discussion, as is evidenced by MSLA's refusal to remain on topic...

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:46:35 PM   
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Neither have stated what YOU claim is the definition of "Structural Racism" -- again, using YOUR definition.

It doesn't exist... and your continued insistence that it does is either woefully ignorant, partisan, or an outright lie.


You did not address a very detailed post i made on the topic that presented examples, which you had asked for....

Give it up.

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:47:18 PM   
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I am still waiting for a well informed rebuttal



I'm still waiting for any SENSE from you... your OWN definition proves you're wrong.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:50:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the professional service of an organization is to serve its base, and the RNC Chairman has admitted the Republican Party has repeatedly ignored part of its base, then the Republican party is not living up to its professional service it promised that base... and its based solely upon race.

Now, you can deny that all you want. You can cap and use exclamations marks, you can call people names and ignore what you are being told.

If the RNC Chairman has said its racially based, then thats what it is. Good luck proving to anyone it isnt.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:52:37 PM   
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I am still waiting for a well informed rebuttal



I'm still waiting for any SENSE from you... your OWN definition proves you're wrong.




Tazzy presented an example of Blacks running for office that did not receive the same party support (being denied access and advantaging whites)

The definition goes on, but you ignore it. I know why you are ignoring it, because you are wrong.

You never addressed the Southern Strategy, which seeks to advantage the republican party by seizing on historical racist sentiments held by White Southerners... which Michael Steele says is STILL happening.

Now, I know it is fairly hard to understand when you really don't want to understand, but there is an entire cultural dynamic in the South that Black politicians would be sensitive to, and be able to interpret in ways you nor I ever could


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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:54:58 PM   
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If the RNC Chairman has said its racially based, then thats what it is. Good luck proving to anyone it isnt.


The entire point is that in MSLA's universe, it is always up to the other party to support their points while it lazily pounds its fist and screams in text, never supporting anything it states

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 4:57:12 PM   
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Prove, from your OWN definition:

1. "...routinely advantage whites while producing cumulative and chronic adverse outcomes for people of color"

2. "... hierarchy and inequity"

3. "...white supremacy"

4. "...privilege and power for white people at the expense of Black, Latino, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Arab"

Go ahead... provide you definitive evidence for this?  Hint: Neither Steele or Barnes have done so -- and neither have you. If you can't (as you haven't thus far), then your continued insistence that it exists is either woefully ignorant, partisan, or an outright lie.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:00:44 PM   
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If the RNC Chairman has said its racially based, then thats what it is. Good luck proving to anyone it isnt.


The entire point is that in MSLA's universe, it is always up to the other party to support their points while it lazily pounds its fist and screams in text, never supporting anything it states
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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:01:09 PM   
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...it is always up to the other party to support their points...


That's right... YOU are the one that insists Structural Racism exists, and YOU cannot support it beyond one person's "boo hoo" opinion -- as Steele did not support your premise either.

Oh, and as a point of logic (which you very obviously have none), one cannot support that which does NOT exist.  My premise is that "Structural Racism" does NOT exist -- thus, it is impossible to provide proof of something that doesn't exist.  Got that... or was that too complicated for you to understand?!!



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:02:27 PM   
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Pssst... uninformed cowards who can't support their empty beliefs.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:05:08 PM   
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Lie... the comments you attribute to Steele do not fit the definition of "Structural/Institutional Racism".  Try again.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:14:59 PM   
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Prove, from your OWN definition:

1. "...routinely advantage whites while producing cumulative and chronic adverse outcomes for people of color"

2. "... hierarchy and inequity"

3. "...white supremacy"

4. "...privilege and power for white people at the expense of Black, Latino, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Arab"

Go ahead... provide you definitive evidence for this?  Hint: Neither Steele or Barnes have done so -- and neither have you. If you can't (as you haven't thus far), then your continued insistence that it exists is either woefully ignorant, partisan, or an outright lie.





I have repeatedly discussed the Southern Strategy, Tazzy has shown that Black congress people routinely get less support than their White counterparts, Black people that considered themselves a part of the party describe the evidence of cultural racism routinely evident in the personal communication styles of white politicians in a way that routinely is dehumanizing for blacks.

Now, you took the one part of the definition, and then you did not read how it can be measured by its scope and other manifestations. You skipped over that because it shows you to be routinely wrong.

Now, unless you have something new to add, bugger off.

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