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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 10:56:46 AM   
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there is a difference between voicing dissent...


Did you even LOOK at the damn pictures I linked to?!!  "Death to Bush" is not "dissent".  Good GAWD!!!


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OMG, are you saying we have to stop all political satire...


OMG, do you NOT get that "KILL [Insert President's Name]" is not fucking "satire"?!!



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:03:33 AM   
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there is a difference between voicing dissent...


Did you even LOOK at the damn pictures I linked to?!!  "Death to Bush" is not "dissent".  Good GAWD!!!


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OMG, are you saying we have to stop all political satire...


OMG, do you NOT get that "KILL [Insert President's Name]" is not fucking "satire"?!!




You are building a strawman... you are also drawing a false analogy between my position and people threatening presidents...

Both of these are forms of fallacy based argumentation

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:03:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The difference is much of the Obama smears were GOP sponsored or done by established neo-con groups like Americans for prosperity.

A single or a few individuals smearing bush,who`re not part of political group and acting alone,aren`t the same thing.


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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:05:34 AM   
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The difference is much of the Obama smears were GOP sponsored or done by established neo-con groups like Americans for prosperity.

A single or a few individuals smearing bush,who`re not part of political group and acting alone,aren`t the same thing.



And that is another entire issue, has some relevance, true... but it is hard enough to get MSLA to understand that likening Bush to chimps is not a form of political prejudice, it is a form of political satire...




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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:07:15 AM   
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Not like this... I find this disgusting.


I referenced one sort of political satire that was done against Bush



Well, let's see... WAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in POST #21, I referenced THESE pictures... http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621


So I don't really care what you want to reference NOW, as it was CLEAR what I was referencing.  Did your "reference" come AFTER my Post #21?  Why... yes it did.  So don't pretend like you didn't know what I was referencing -- it sure as fuck wasn't "political satire".




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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:10:03 AM   
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there is a difference between voicing dissent...


Did you even LOOK at the damn pictures I linked to?!!  "Death to Bush" is not "dissent".  Good GAWD!!!


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OMG, are you saying we have to stop all political satire...


OMG, do you NOT get that "KILL [Insert President's Name]" is not fucking "satire"?!!




You are building a strawman...



No... I'm very clearly showing your hypocrisy.  You're all in a hissy over anything concerning Obama, but turn a blind eye to anything concerning the "other" guy -- which makes you a hypocritical partisan.




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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:12:28 AM   
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Not like this... I find this disgusting.


I referenced one sort of political satire that was done against Bush



Well, let's see... WAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in POST #21, I referenced THESE pictures... http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621


So I don't really care what you want to reference NOW, as it was CLEAR what I was referencing.  Did your "reference" come AFTER my Post #21?  Why... yes it did.  So don't pretend like you didn't know what I was referencing -- it sure as fuck wasn't "political satire".






I was not responding to those photos on this thread...

You are off in la la land, I have narrowed my discussion to photos of Bush compared to Chimps. I am not expanding it to include death threats, etc...Your refusal to limit the debate to the topic at hand, racist propaganda used by certain racist people, and Mr Barnes deciding that he can no longer continue with this party as a result, is your thang

Guess what, just because you want to redefine the debate into something it isn't (red herring) doesn't mean we all have to go down that road with you

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:13:11 AM   
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...likening Bush to chimps is not a form of political prejudice, it is a form of political satire...



So then, under YOUR definition of "political satire", so is linking Obama to the Nazis by depicting him as such.  Bravo!!!





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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:14:13 AM   
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...likening Bush to chimps is not a form of political prejudice, it is a form of political satire...



So then, under YOUR definition of "political satire", so is linking Obama to the Nazis.  Bravo!!!





Actually, I find likening anyone to Nazis over the top, but it isn't "racist" which was your question originally.

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:14:58 AM   
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The difference is much of the Obama smears were GOP sponsored or done by established neo-con groups like Americans for prosperity.

A single or a few individuals smearing bush,who`re not part of political group and acting alone,aren`t the same thing.





And that is another entire issue, has some relevance, true... but it is hard enough to get MSLA to understand that likening Bush to chimps is not a form of political prejudice, it is a form of political satire...





But but but both have chimps!

THAT`S THE SAME THING!!!


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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:17:12 AM   
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I was not responding to those photos on this thread...



Of course not, because then you'd have to admit the HATE of those on your side of the political fence -- and that's why you want to ONLY address "race" prejudice and "satire" --  further proof of your hypocrisy, partisanship, and dishonesty.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:17:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are we saying that a political cartoon showing Bush and Obama facing each other shown as two chimps playing with the nations welfare is half racist and half political satire??

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:18:54 AM   
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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:19:48 AM   
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Actually, I find likening anyone to Nazis over the top, but it isn't "racist" which was your question originally.


Uhhh... no.  I asked no "question" about "racist" anything -- that's merely what YOU have been bouncing about in this thread with.  Show where I asked you a "question" about racism???





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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:22:55 AM   
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Are we saying that a political cartoon showing Bush and Obama facing each other shown as two chimps playing with the nations welfare is half racist and half political satire??


I'd personally view it as ignorant, and neither racist or satire. You may/may not.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:24:52 AM   
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I was not responding to those photos on this thread...



Of course not, because then you'd have to admit the HATE of those on your side of the political fence -- and that's why you want to ONLY address "race" prejudice and "satire" --  further proof of your hypocrisy, partisanship, and dishonesty.




I was not responding to those photos because frankly, I find them off topic to the thread and a red herring.

We are talking about racially charged imagery on par with when the the Nazis compared Jews to rats, cockroaches, and to their "greedy" as a way to dehumanize them as a racial group....

Now, if you want to start a thread about how people on both sides of the aisle use hyperbolic propaganda that offends you, be my guest. It has NOTHING to do with the historic racial prejudice suffered by Black people that they have had to contend with, and its resurgence since the election of our first Black President. Those images are reminiscent of the sorts of ideas that got people lynched in this country.

Go on and try to find some sort of false analogy between the two, but it only makes you look ignorant of what the vast majority of the people in this country know, that being Black was stigmatizatized during most of our country's history, and even worse, Black people as a group were kept from contributing to the political dialog completely with Jim Crow, etc. .. It is not just an insult to Obama to pass around and titter at such propaganda... it is a slam on all Black people period, which is why Mr Barnes gave an articulate "fuck you" to the Republican Party


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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:24:56 AM   
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Didn`t the cons liken President Obama to the Nazis saying something ridiculous like nazi Germany had socialized medicine,during the healthcare "debate"?.


Did you miss the picture posted above of Obama in Nazi garb?!!  Yeah... they have.  And it's just as fucking stupid as when the Dems/Libs depicted Bush in the same manner.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:26:52 AM   
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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:28:16 AM   
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I would view it as stupid



I view this entire conversation as an attempt at thread jacking

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 11:29:37 AM   
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I was not responding to those photos because frankly, I find them off topic...




And then you state this...

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We are talking about racially charged imagery...



Yeah... because "imagry" of bush with a bullet in his head is not "radically charged".


Good GAWD... keep digging a deeper hole for yourself.


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