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tazzygirl -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 1:49:44 PM)

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or CALLING OUR PRESIDENT A WAR CRIMINAL


You are speaking about Bush.... if thats the case, many conservatives also called him a war criminal.



juliaoceania -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 1:50:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I am positive, as someone who has went to such rallies, that they are not all liberals... some people show up just to agitate



Hmmm... sooooooooo then would you extend that SAME thinking to Tea Party events?!!  That maybe some "show up just to agitate"?!!  BTW... there were more than "some" -- so nice try, but no cigar.





Yes, I would extend the same reasoning the tea party events...


You are still not dealing with the opening post though... which is about structural racism in the republican party....



juliaoceania -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 1:51:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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or CALLING OUR PRESIDENT A WAR CRIMINAL


You are speaking about Bush.... if thats the case, many conservatives also called him a war criminal.



I think Bush is a war criminal. He invaded a country that was no threat to us on trumped up excuses... which is against the UN charter.



tazzygirl -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:00:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
redirect our resources into healthcare, education, green jobs and other life-affirming activities... of course only liberals want these things as well.

Again, I ask, what makes this a "liberal" movement?


The part about "redirecting our resources."

I'm sure conservatives want healthcare, education, green jobs (maybe) and peace, but I'm not too sure they want to redirect public tax dollars to any of those causes.



Senate plan redirects tax windfall to schools

More than $500-million slated by Gov. Jeb Bush for property tax cuts would instead go to schools - giving districts their biggest boost in a decade.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/17/State/Senate_plan_redirects.shtml

I have a suggestion for Tom and his fellow Democrats. Take the millions of dollars in taxes that we pay for abortions and redirect it towards funding experimental treatments. Save lives rather than taking them.

http://nobamaflag.com/3.html

Voucher programs, popular among political conservatives, tend to redirect tax dollars into religious schools. Charter schools are also popular among school choice advocates.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/09/us-usa-religion-schools-idUSTRE75829R20110609

Seems education and redirecting tax dollars is on the mind of many conservatives.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:02:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

You are still not dealing with the opening post though... which is about structural racism in the republican party....


A quick Google Search defines "Sructural Racism" as "Institutional Racism", and with the following definition from Wikipedia:

"Institutional racism describes any kind of system of inequality based on race. It can occur in institutions such as public government bodies, private business corporations (such as media outlets), and universities (public and private). The term was coined by Black Power activist Stokely Carmichael in the late 1960s. The definition given by William Macpherson within the report looking into the death of Stephen Lawrence was "the collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin".


Given the above, this in no way, shape, or form can be attributed to the Republican party.

Additionally, as a matter of fact, Bush's administration contained a more diverse group than does Obamas, and the head of the RNC is Michael Steele -- an African American man.

So again, no... the Republican party has abso-fucking-lutely NOT displayed "Structural/Institutional Racism".





Owner59 -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:04:59 PM)

Oh Jesus help us.

Goes from you guys are racist too to(which is an admission) to playing word games.

Never addressing the thread or the 500 lb gorilla in the room.




tazzygirl -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:06:34 PM)

~sighs



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:07:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I think Bush is a war criminal. He invaded a country that was no threat to us...



Then, by your definition, Obama is a "War Criminal", as Egypt was "no threat to us".


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...on trumped up excuses...


Prove Bush himself "trumped up" anything.


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...which is against the UN charter


Bush got UN Approval.




Owner59 -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:09:48 PM)

yeah,Obama`s war criminal too.......so there.......[sm=boxer.gif]


"Bush got UN Approval"

Through fraud.

So it`s not on the UN.



mnottertail -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:11:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I think Bush is a war criminal. He invaded a country that was no threat to us...



Then, by your definition, Obama is a "War Criminal", as Egypt was "no threat to us".


Bush got UN Approval.




Settle down, there kid.   Egypt still retains her virginity as far as Obama's concerned.

And no, Bush got no approval from the UN, in fact he got as close to a hell no as its gonna get from the UN. 



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:11:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl



So you'll be providing your DEFINITIVE PROOF of "Structural/Institutional Racism" within the Republican party then?!!  If not, then "sigh" over the fact you can't support the premise.





tazzygirl -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:12:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl



So you'll be providing your DEFINITIVE PROOF of "Structural/Institutional Racism" within the Republican party then?!!  If not, then "sigh" over the fact you can't support the premise.





No, the sigh is over your own hypocrisy. Were you not the one who told me that I could not admit to my own parties failings? And here you are proclaiming yours has none?



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:16:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Bush got no approval from the UN...



"There have been three major events in Iraq's history for which the UN has passed numerous resolutions: the Iran–Iraq War, the Persian Gulf War, and the Iraq disarmament crisis leading up to and following the 2003 invasion of Iraq."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolutions_concerning_Iraq
 

 
 



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:21:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No, the sigh is over your own hypocrisy. Were you not the one who told me that I could not admit to my own parties failings? And here you are proclaiming yours has none?


What I've very clearly stated is there is racism/prejudice on both sides -- I have also stated that said racism/prejudice is not "STRUCTURAL/INSTITUTIONAL" within the Republican Party.  So keep your "sighs" to yourself... they're unwarranted.

Did you miss those key words... "STRUCTURAL/INSTITUTIONAL"???  Big difference between an individual showing racism/prejudice, and an entire institution.  You didn't know that?!! [8|]


(fucking typos... aaargh!!!)




mnottertail -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:27:48 PM)

And you actually READ the fuckin thing there?   They got no UN Approval, the Bush administration and Blair Administration declared Resolution 1441 breached, in defiance of the UN permanant council as well as the weapons inspectors tasked with assuring its adherance.

READ THE FUCKING LINK you provided, not just the headlines.



tazzygirl -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:28:24 PM)

The U.S. initially sought a UN Security Council resolution authorizing the use of military force pursuant to Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter.[7] Upon facing vigorous opposition from several nations (primarily France and Germany), however, the U.S. dropped the bid for UN approval and began to prepare for war; Benjamin Ferencz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg Trials argued that for these actions Bush, with his Administration, could be prosecuted for war crimes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_and_the_Iraq_War




tazzygirl -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:29:59 PM)

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Did you miss those key words... "STRUCTURAL/INSTITUIONAL"???  Big difference between an individual showing racism/prejudice, and an entire institution.  You didn't know that?!!


You argument is that the Republican can not have racism because of Steele. Did you ever live in the south?



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:45:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail



I cede the point... evidently it's not settled, and I presented it as such.  My bad.

"...this position taken by the Bush administration and its supporters, has been and still is being disputed by numerous legal experts."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

Thanks for the info.  Most appreciated. [:D]




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:50:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You argument is that the Republican can not have racism because of Steele.


No... that's not my position. Not even close.  And you're again leaving out the "STRUCTURAL/INSTITUTIONAL" part -- either intentionally or unintentionally.




tazzygirl -> RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... (6/15/2011 2:57:13 PM)

Not leaving it out at all... take a look.... just in Congress alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_the_United_States_Congress




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