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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 1:44:06 AM   
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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 2:03:58 AM   
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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 3:45:43 AM   
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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 4:57:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh cry me a fucking river.  There's no gender bias on being a cunt - women just express it in different ways.  Being a man doesn't make someone a cunt, it's being a cunt which makes someone a cunt.

Maybe you're too far gone for your world-view to ever return to an even keel - but ultimately while I decry much of human behaviour, I still haven't answered the question in my own mind about whether people behave as they do because they genuinely have free will - or if they're products of their environment and influences.

In other words, am I who I am because I've made the hard choices at times, or am I just a lucky motherfucker who's never suffered the kind of abuse which turns someone bad.  The old "pain begets pain" notion.  Is someone an irredeemable cunt because they choose to be?  Or is it more complex than that?

I doubt you'd ever care - but such questions really concern me and ultimately it makes me far more tolerant than I otherwise would be.

You also wouldn't be the first woman who thought a lesbian relationship is the answer - only to ultimately discover it makes no difference.  Lesbian relationships are every bit as fucked up as heterosexual ones.  It's not the gender or sexual orientation which is to blame, it's just the fucking species.

Oh, and research my ass.  If you're a whore, you're self-selecting for a particular type of man anyway.  They ain't the cream of the crop, no matter what their social position is.


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 5:12:22 AM   
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the whole fucking point of posting this shit was to show how i wasn't a man-hater, that i disliked and distrusted men for valid reasons. but that seems to have zipped right over your head. oh well, can't get through to everybody.
  Every bigot always thinks they have valid reasons for their bigotry.  Your rationale doesn't give you a free pass.


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating Dyke - 6/16/2011 5:37:47 AM   
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..To Hannah DEfense..A large % of women aren't man haters just not men needer's ..

I woke up this morning in a great mood with my youngest daughter and her coloring book, so I will be nice..I am old as dirt and have own and known many a woman in my rime including Dyke's,in Hannah defense there are women that aren't men haters just not men needly.They are now going out and bringing home the bacon them selfs..Hannah you aren't a man hater just smart enough to stay away from us smile..B


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 6:37:19 AM   
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Thank you for your reply to my questions.  Your words very clearly show that you are on a path to recovery with a positive outlook to the future!  I am wondering if you two have had any interaction with the real life kinky community in your area?


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:07:20 AM   
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I have spent years in the gutter, and I have done things and had things done to me that now make me sick remembering them, but I still look for the good in everyone, because then I usually find it. 

I sorta found this odd, to look for the good in everyone? What happens when there is more bad than good? Which can go into the extremes in some people like.. Bundy, Dahlmer, Manson, etc? I wonder if someone out there saw some good in those guys too at some point...

Yeah, there is good and bad in everyone, I just want to know how bad the bad part in someone is (so I know if I should avoid them)..

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:09:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		looking for the good in people doesn't mean always seeing the good in people even until the point of delusion.

if you look for good, and find bad, then you learn something. if you look for good and find good, no harm no foul.

i don't see what the issue is?


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating Dyke - 6/16/2011 8:13:11 AM   
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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:16:13 AM   
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looking for the good in people doesn't mean always seeing the good in people even until the point of delusion.

if you look for good, and find bad, then you learn something. if you look for good and find good, no harm no foul.

i don't see what the issue is?


cuz that is what it sounded like to me, to see some good and delude yourself.
Like all the women whose husbands beat them (unless s&m is what they want) and still stay seeing the good in their husbands.... there are a lot of women that stay, even if it kills them (& possibly their kids).

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:19:13 AM   
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looking for the good in people doesn't mean always seeing the good in people even until the point of delusion.

if you look for good, and find bad, then you learn something. if you look for good and find good, no harm no foul.

i don't see what the issue is?


cuz that is what it sounded like to me, to see some good and delude yourself.
Like all the women whose husbands beat them (unless s&m is what they want) and still stay seeing the good in their husbands.... there are a lot of women that stay, even if it kills them (& possibly their kids).


well those people may be delusional, but i don't see anything delusional about JstAnotherSub's post. i think maybe you're reading too far into it?


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:20:05 AM   
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Like all the women whose husbands beat them (unless s&m is what they want) and still stay seeing the good in their husbands.... there are a lot of women that stay, even if it kills them (& possibly their kids).


Not to mention the women who physically abuse their husbands, of course.

Mate of mine suffered that for years ... and he's an ex Marine too. His ethics didn't allow for retaliation on his part, so she used to hit him with all sorts of stuff. Hospitalised him 4 times. Took him years to wise up.

Aren't people strange?

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:22:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		indeed -- women are often perpetrators of domestic violence, taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people won't believe a man who's abused, or a man often won't speak up because he's embarassed and people actually DO ridicule men who are abused by female partners. 

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:24:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

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looking for the good in people doesn't mean always seeing the good in people even until the point of delusion.

if you look for good, and find bad, then you learn something. if you look for good and find good, no harm no foul.

i don't see what the issue is?


cuz that is what it sounded like to me, to see some good and delude yourself.
Like all the women whose husbands beat them (unless s&m is what they want) and still stay seeing the good in their husbands.... there are a lot of women that stay, even if it kills them (& possibly their kids).


well those people may be delusional, but i don't see anything delusional about JstAnotherSub's post. i think maybe you're reading too far into it?


no, just commenting about that comment in general, cuz people sometimes do say that they look for the good... I dont really know what that means. The good in someone should be apparent, imo, (most people dont hide the good in them, they hide the bad parts of themselves)
but if the good in someone is something you have to dig for to find... hmmmm...

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:26:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		i don't think about it that way at all. for me, people start of neutral and become either good or bad through interaction. the good in a person isn't clearly apparent when they're standing in line with a can of beans and some bubble gum. =p "looking for the good" has nothing to do with someone being inherently bad. =p 

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:26:55 AM   
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indeed -- women are often perpetrators of domestic violence, taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people won't believe a man who's abused, or a man often won't speak up because he's embarassed and people actually often DO ridicule men who are abused by female partners. 


Indeed so. In my mate's case, on the 3rd time she hospitalised him it was through walking up behind him while he was sat on the front porch and twatting him in the back of the head with the blunt end of a pool cue. The police were called to the hospital, and although he refused to say anything they then interviewed the next-door neighbour (who'd called the ambulance after seeing the whole thing). When he'd finished his statement the policeman said "oh come on! You expect us to believe that?! Look at the size of him!", as if this somehow invalidated the evidence.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:30:22 AM   
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When he'd finished his statement the policeman said "oh come on! You expect us to believe that?! Look at the size of him!", as if this somehow invalidated the evidence.


that happens A LOT, and sadly you don't see a lot of women passionately championing against this kind of stuff. women hate double standards but only when they don't benefit them. otherwise, like any other human, they're opportunistic and use the system to their advantage as long as they can.
when i was much younger and in my "stay away!" aggression phase, i'd do some pretty awful things to boys as "revenge" (for what, i didn't really know at the time) and i was TOTALLY aware that the teachers would not do anything because i was a cute, shy, quiet little girl to them. =p

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:31:42 AM   
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i don't think about it that way at all. for me, people start of neutral and become either good or bad through interaction. the good in a person isn't clearly apparent when they're standing in line with a can of beans and some bubble gum. =p "looking for the good" has nothing to do with someone being inherently bad. =p 

well, i am not interested in the person standing in line with a can of beans, I am interested in learning about the moral character of a person that wants to date me or even just to be my friend. I want to know how bad the bad is in those people.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/16/2011 8:34:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		and if you're a realist, you'll find it.
you'll observe the way they relate to the world around them, whether or not they'll keep their word. if they give you reasons to think they're good, you will, and if they don't, you won't.
but "looking for the good" has always meant (at least to me) NOT immediately deciding someone's bad, just because.
i'm interested in the person in the check-out line if we're chit-chatting and it seems like we might become friends.
but the process of discovering good or bad takes longer than five minutes;  it isn't some "ah ha!" thing that happens immediately -- not usually anyway.


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