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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

so we're left with all these surveys that tell us how flat out horrible and bad guys would be if they could get away with it, and nothing similar telling us something about women. that's how you end up with an unbalanced view of people in general.
women are just as bad, commit crimes, lie, hurt people, beat people up, kill people. 1 in 3 women is probably very likely to hurt you, too.
to me, i see 1 in 3 men is likely to hurt me, but 2 of 3 aren't, so i'll set my sights on those 2 and be wary enough to figure out (hopefully) who that third one is.
this thread is beginning to take on the "men are predators, scary!" rally vibe again. honestly, it seems like some people are more determined to be negative about men than Hannah is! which boggles my mind...

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

well that doesn't mean anything either, considering that a lot of men in jail are in there for non violent offenses (it's actually very close to 50/50 split, last time i checked), and women often get away with things because the juries in their trials operate on a wrong impression of her BECAUSE she's female.
add to that, women's crimes don't tend to be the blockbuster movies that men's crimes often are, so they just flat out get away with more.
these surveys, like misread statistics, really don't tell you anything about anyone in general, except for those people who took the surveys. do you know who the sample population of the survey was? do you know any of their demographic information or past criminal records? what if the survey was conducted at Leavenworth prison? =p
frankly, you don't know the numbers either, other than what a survey tells you.

(i did some googling and found a study with a similar conclusion that was done in South Africa (it's the only one i'm finding with that conclusion) -- there are a lot of bizarre cultural things that probably impacted that conclusion. it's easy to try to extrapolate some big "truth of the world" from that, but if you don't understand how the survey was done, the cultural ideas behind the answers, then you don't understand what motivated any of it. there's also another survey, since these things are supposedly such beacons of truth that says 50% of women blame the victims of rape for their rapes. women aren't the pious little school girls everyone's so quick to believe they are.)

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i see 1 in 3 men is likely to hurt me

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

you were the one who mentioned the 1 in 3 survey; when i went googling to find it, the south african survey is all i can find. so the origin or usefulness of the survey is on you, really, because you're the one who brought it up in the first place and mentioned how sad it was.

and as far as violent crimes go, yes -- people tend to assume that women "don't have it in them" to commit violent crimes.

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I still look for the good in everyone, because then I usually find it.

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I just do not have the bitterness you have, and I really wanted to figure out why

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i don't think about it that way at all. for me, people start of neutral and become either good or bad through interaction

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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i don't think about it that way at all. for me, people start of neutral and become either good or bad through interaction

so they get a clean slate and get to prove themselves.

see, i'm not the only fucker to do this!

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I keep thinking about the survey where 1 in 3 men

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If it were so clear, this thread would not be as many pages as it is.

Just sayin.....

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ORIGINAL: tj444
I have posted the links before in other threads, didnt realize i would need to keep those links in my favorites. Here is one link, there are others that refer to that survey.
"In a UCLA study, 35% of college-age men said that they would violently rape if they knew that they could get away with it"
http://www.gmu.edu/resources/facstaff/facultyfacts/2-2/national.html

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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If it were so clear, this thread would not be as many pages as it is.

Just sayin.....

qft

methinks i needs to work on my fucking compositional clarity some.

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If you can fucking hate men because they fucked you, then told you to fuck off

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it's based on just shy of ten years experience with men from the point of view of a prostitute, of a girl living alone on the road, of somebody automatically perceived and treated as potential prey. reviled by all and sundry and rejected by those supposedly in place to protect the vulnerable.

when even the "ardent feminist" do-gooder running the women's outreach shelter sneaks into your room in the middle of the night, you get just a little fucking cynical. if he were the exception it wouldn't be a fucking problem, but he's not. he's the norm. since i left home at 19

savegry and violence,

you wouldn't believe the number of pathetic little overgrown mummy's boys who fucked me and then cried like babies while i held them and soothed them and then beat the shit out of me because i'd seen them like that.

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from holysmoke.org (it's a site about fraud,  not a religious website =p)
38% said the victim enjoyed being raped, while 47% of the women said the woman enjoyed being raped.
8% of the men said the victim could have stopped the rape, while 57% of the women thought she could have stopped it.
36% of the men thought *all women* would enjoy victimization, while 32% of the women thought *all women* would enjoy victimization.

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for me, people start of neutral and become either good or bad through interaction.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: tj444
I have posted the links before in other threads, didnt realize i would need to keep those links in my favorites. Here is one link, there are others that refer to that survey.
"In a UCLA study, 35% of college-age men said that they would violently rape if they knew that they could get away with it"
http://www.gmu.edu/resources/facstaff/facultyfacts/2-2/national.html

If this is a hijack, I'll apologize to the OP.

Let's take just one second and remember that we really *are* on a BDSM website.  That alone makes Me wonder about the results of this survey.  Where's the one in comparison about the rape fantasies of women?  There's a single line in that link about how many men would do it if they could get away with it.  No information about the context of the question, how it was proposed, or anything else. 

Hell, I'm a woman and I enjoy being the aggressor during rape play scenarios.  If we're going to fault people for what might just be an idea for a sexual scene that might be somebody hot, we might as well scrub this whole site and start over.