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xssve -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (7/1/2011 6:28:06 AM)
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ORIGINAL: MaxsBoy
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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ORIGINAL: xssve
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather
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this post further begs the question, then -- "in your opinion, what is a 'real man'?" One with a penis. That makes them a man. Beyond that they're just people like everybody else.
I got banned from that fet forum because they assumed I said that - which I didn't - although biologically, that is pretty much the case, as an abstraction, "real men" is whole 'nother can of worms.
Quite an astute comment from you both, as far as I'm concerned. Honestly, I do think some women should stop fiddling themselves themselves off to videos of Colin Firth playing Mr D'Arcy and get out of the house a bit more.
Not really. What about me, am I a fake man because I don't have a dick? Gender is pretty much a social construct, but guess what - so is sex. It's not black and white nearly as often as people think it is.
I might keep my penis in my sock drawer, but I'm as male as any of the flesh-penis-carrying type.
/ hijack
This was my point however, bad punning aside, all fetus's have a pelvic opening which turns into either a vagina or a penis somewhere between 7 and 12 weeks when sex differences form - some people get caught in the middle and exhibit both sets of genitalia to greater or lesser degrees - but that's just the genitalia, there are differences in the brain too - and there is no reason to suspect that just as a percentage of people are born intersexed genitally, there is no reason to suspect that there are as many, if not more intersexed psychologically.
Primarily, males typically exhibit a higher degree of bihemispheric, differentiation, that is, emotions and logic are divided more or less evenly between the the Two hemispheres of the cerebral cortex, whereas women typically exhibit a more even distribution, logic and emotion are divided equally between the Two hemispheres, and there is a percentage of women who also exhibit a greater degree of bihemispheric differentiation - and it has a lot to do with how decisions are made
But before the Mars vs. Venus thing gets started, the "seat of consciousness" is theorized to be located in the anterior cingulate cortex, which deals largely with emotion, very close, and perhaps even integrated with the corpus callosum, which is the bridge between the the two hemispheres of the cerebral cortex, and has is also suspected to play some role in psychological dimorphism.
But essentially, it appears that emotion plays a strong role in decision making for both sexes - which makes sense, logic has played an increasingly important role over the last Two and a half Thousand years, but for millions of years before that, much was presumably relegated to "gut instinct" or feeling, there is no way of knowing how long formal logic has even been around, and no other organism appears to exhibit that particular trait, much of it may have to do with linguistic processing, which is also a (relatively) recently acquired trait that is developed to much greater degree in humans than in any other organism.
Women are demonstrably as capable of logical thinking as men, i.e., the differences are not qualitative, but more in terms of how information is organized and processed, and the distinction appears more that the average human male (bihemisperically differentiated) may be more prone to compartmentalizing between logic and emotion, which presumably is going to lead to externalities and consequences w/respect to socialization and cognition.
Other differences may be related to testosterone and estrogen, men express more testotsterone or estrogen under certian stressors for example, leading to behavioral effects - "gonadal" behaviors, such as aggression for example, which will in turn may be "explained" or rationalized w/respect to emotional/logical compartmentalization, thus, gender politics.
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