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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 8:38:22 AM

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Ok, a question for those dealing with Fibro.....what comes first? Does depression trigger an attack, or do the attacks trigger depression? There isn't a whole lot on the subject that I can find via the internet as to whether depression is a bi product, or cause.

When Im not in pain, I feel I can take on the world.

When I am in pain, I want to hide under the covers for days.

For me, the pain causes some depression.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 8:40:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa

Ok, a question for those dealing with Fibro.....what comes first? Does depression trigger an attack, or do the attacks trigger depression? There isn't a whole lot on the subject that I can find via the internet as to whether depression is a bi product, or cause.

When Im not in pain, I feel I can take on the world.

When I am in pain, I want to hide under the covers for days.

For me, the pain causes some depression.

AMEN!
the key is to figure out how to have those days of not being in pain!

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 8:53:07 AM

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I have everything from severe migraines, to extreme muscle pain, to swelling, to IBS, depression, sometimes confusion , spasms, weird weird weird stuff! but its a part of me, and ill keep searching for that magically cure combo that will work for me, in the meantime, anyone up for some spring cleaning?

Hi Tammy,

I had lots of weird weird stuff when I worked in a building with toxic mold - did you see in this thread how chemicals can aggravate fibro? Perhaps you should try cleaning products without artificial fragrance.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3754195/mpage_1/tm.htm

67% of both CFS and FMS patients reporting a worsening of symptoms following exposure to air pollution, cigarette smoke, solvent fumes or perfumes.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 8:55:29 AM

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O that i agree with completely! i keep chemicals away as much as possible. I dont like plastics either. fruits and veggies, lil meat, some dairy.... basic stuff, now if only pepsi and mountain dew and coffee didnt take up 90% of my diet! hey but i must confess smoking weed helps tremdendously, afterall you dont remember your in pain... lol... no just helps to loosen it up some.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 9:14:21 AM

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PS who with fibro here also has severe swelling and gastric reflux. I thought i was all over with those, and now after years they are back with a vengance. (i must have slaughtered an entire country in my previous life). any suggestions. I watch my salt in fact i take in very little and im watching what i eat, yet still, i am about ready to explode today from swelling and looking for prevacid in my endless medicine cabinet.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 9:47:06 AM

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Someone will come along with a smiley chicken before long.

LOL

Love ya Holly!!!! Knew it would be you!!

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 9:48:08 AM

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Didnt you mention living on soda coffee and caffeine?

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 10:05:38 AM

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yes true. i do. but the rest is an ultra health diet, high in grains, fruits and veggies, some dairy and a lil meat usually chicken....
agrees that would help and i have limited myself somewhat.....working on that now

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 10:43:46 AM

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I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between the dramatics and minimizations.

If there was an "in between" between them.

It is not an uncommon dynamic for a woman with low self-esteem to become enmeshed in a relationship with a man for whom she has no value except to feed his narcissism. Unfortunately, the woman often believes that he loves her. But she is perfect for him only because of her low self-esteem. And he will never let her gain any, because he only wants her to feel worthwhile as an extension of himself.

Same pattern with the daughter, I warrant.

K.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 10:45:19 AM

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K..

I like you more and more each post :)

(fwiw..LOL)

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 10:49:18 AM

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Tammy, I cannot say for sure what is going on with you, but I will share what I have experienced and what I do in part. Continuing to try to figure out what to do and what is going on is keeping you from actually getting somewhere. You are still caught up in the story and drama (we all have that when dealing with a chronic illness at times) of it all... when it is time to get into action and non action.

What I suspect is that in times of stress you are becoming worse in symptoms AND that you may have had a remission of the chronic fatigue and now are no longer in remission. Double whammy Tammy. Think of when you got bad before... stress. Fibro from the last time I checked and that was years ago... doesn't cause swelling. Something else is causing that and if you are drinking what you say you are, then you need to stop. Period. Sugar can cause more pain and I think could have something to do with the digestive problems. And don't think you can still drink it if it is sugar free. Sugar free can have it's own problems which in some people, include neuro problems. Just don't do it.

Do you really want to help yourself or not? Get online and rather gather whatever you are getting here... get to some real places that will help you. Google Green Magma. Get some. Not the super power kind, but plain old Green Magma. This is natures perfect food by all that it has in it. It is baby green barley and has more than just vitamins in it. It has enzimes and such that will help your digestive tract and all sorts of things.

When in crisis, I was so bad my lips were turning blue. I had basically been in bed for months, couldn't go out, couldn't get around and sure couldn't keep much up. Everyone thought it was the end of me. I also have other illness and the only thing that could stop the dry throat and mouth that were so bad that if I didn't have it, I could within an hour be unable to speak from the dryness... was cola. I tried everything to replace it... tried just little sips.. but it was the only thing that helped because I hadn't yet had a dx that would warrant medication.

I took the Green Magma every other day, half dose. Then I started full doses and then went to every day... I let my body adjust slowly. I limited all drinks other than milk and water. I ate small meals two times a day. Say chicken and a potato... only two items per meal and no heavy seasonings or sauces. Natural foods. The Green Magma will help with the mental clarity and I noticed this within the second dose and believe me I didn't believe it would work! It only lasted for an hour, but it was enough to know something good was happening. I craved water and the Green Magma and as I cleaned myself up and got on with saving myself, I felt better each day, needed less pain medication and found life. I might mention that I hated water until Green Magma.

Within a month, life was restored to me. I looked healthy, I was out walking, I was off soda except one small sip each day, one cup of coffee at most per day for my headaches and people looked at me like I had been at deaths door and came alive. During this time, no stress was allowed, by anyone. Period. I wasn't to do anything but get well and everyone had to fend for themselves. It was time to save me. I rested, slept and got well.

For a time, Art can direct. Fuck this slave this or that or this factoid or that or the kids this or that. DO YOU WANT TO BE WELL? If so.. STOP....what do you mean you come home and nothing is done? Why are you so ill that fifteen pages of it all must take place and yet still you are not doing what you need to do? Stop the story, the seeking, the arguing and get your ass out there and make yourself well and fuck the bad behavior and all that. Art can handle it. If not, live with someone like me that surely would, without having to lay a hand on anyone, break any laws or whatever else. Stop allowing the stuck, helpless and don't know what to do. What to do is get well... rest, stop all you are doing and focus on that and if people can't keep the place going, they deserve to live in it.

We all may be different in many ways, but I can tell you, Green Magma won't hurt, could help and stopping all but getting well, will help I don't care how different you are. Either it is bad enough to cure... which this thread indicates or it isn't. Get on with it.

Along with the tough love and this is... because I do not hate or dislike you. I think you defeat yourself and I think there is a lot I could help you with if you were willing, whether you get Green Magma or not... I didn't do this for many without learning a thing or two. It is Tammy time. Get well or don't, but stop with this dragging on of the situation. If I can do it, you can do it.... because there is a whole lot more wrong with me than there is with you. Get well and then wake up from a long sleep in health and go to making order in your house if Art hasn't been able to accomplish it.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 10:57:43 AM

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K,
The problem is i dont face the problem of having a low self esteem. My esteem is just fine.
Lockit , i agree and i am doing all kinds of new stuff. agrees with the caffeine and sugar in my diet as i admitted above. Except for the swelling part, it is sometimes one of the first symptoms of fibro/cfs. Getting older sucks as well, use that card too! lol....

< Message edited by tammystarm -- 7/6/2011 10:59:17 AM >

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 10:59:15 AM

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K..

I like you more and more each post :)

Hanners and I both like him. Too bad he's a he, we could have some really interesting pillow talk between the three of us.

After the loving...

K: Something deep & smart
Hanners: fuck me! that's right fucking on!
K: Fuck you? Sure, don't mind if I do.
Heather: No fuck me!
K: Good idea!
Hanners: hey!
K: Shut up and suck on this.
Hanners: um, ok <slurp>
Heather: Ha ha, Suckerrrrrrrrr!

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 10:59:57 AM

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K..

I like you more and more each post :)

(fwiw..LOL)

have to agree there =p nice post.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 11:05:56 AM

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K..

I like you more and more each post :)
Hanners and I both like him. Too bad he's a he, we could have some really interesting pillow talk between the three of us.

After the loving...

It's true. One of the few Goreans I have deep respect for, is Kirata.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 11:07:41 AM

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dammit, Heather! I was TRYING to swallow my beverage!!

ETA: wait.. Kirata is a Gorean?? :: thud::

until now, I thought Aswad and Bull were the only two I dint find to be insufferable!

(ok, I havent interacted on the Gorean forum much, but just sayin....)

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 11:07:47 AM

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K,
The problem is i dont face the problem of having a low self esteem. My esteem is just fine.
Lockit , i agree and i am doing all kinds of new stuff. agrees with the caffeine and sugar in my diet as i admitted above. Except for the swelling part, it is sometimes one of the first symptoms of fibro/cfs. Getting older sucks as well, use that card too! lol....

Swelling is not the first symptom of fibro. Don't make me prove that to you. If you are swelling like that, something else is causing it. Fibro is not a disease that starts with one symptom or two even. It is a fucking slam dunk of many things. You could in fact have something other than fibro... you could have a worthless doctor... you need to research and find out what is going on because the typical doctor simply doesn't have the time. In fact, I took on a medical school because one of their teachers posted something on fibro that was full of shit and he is still teaching medical students his bs. I got that medical school to correct this mans posting and linked to it from my site, which got a lot of credit and acclaim from many in the medical field. I do not know it all... I do not claim to be a doctor... but I do claim to be a woman that did my research, helped many others learn to live with chronic illness and real life outside it and all that happens as a result of it. You are stuck Tammy... stop responding here and get your ass into wellness. Whatever it takes.

I will help if you want.. but believe me... that victim and excuses will stop. I can offer hugs and understanding as well... but all has a balance. Do you want to be as well as you can be? That is the bottom line.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 11:24:40 AM

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dammit, Heather! I was TRYING to swallow my beverage!!

ETA: wait.. Kirata is a Gorean?? :: thud::

until now, I thought Aswad and Bull were the only two I dint find to be insufferable!

(ok, I havent interacted on the Gorean forum much, but just sayin....)

~smirks

Never know when one will pop up, GT.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 11:29:04 AM

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LOL tazzy!! I guess I shoulda qualified to say that it's the Gorean men that surprise me on this side..

um..ok, I'm gonna stop now before I sound even more like an idiot..LMAO!!

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/6/2011 11:31:20 AM

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It is not an uncommon dynamic for a woman with low self-esteem to become enmeshed in a relationship with a man for whom she has no value except to feed his narcissism. Unfortunately, the woman often believes that he loves her. But she is perfect for him only because of her low self-esteem. And he will never let her gain any, because he only wants her to feel worthwhile as an extension of himself.

From my favorite site on narcissism:

THE NARCISSIST AND THE OPPOSITE SEX

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