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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/29/2011 7:59:22 PM   
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HannahLynHeather -

You argue that, since religious people cannot present incontravertable proof that there is a God or Goddess or Gods and Goddesses, they are deluded.

Unless you can present incontravertable proof that there is no God or Goddess or Gods and Goddesses - you are as deluded as you claim that religious people are.

Do not argue that there is no God or Goddess or Gods and Goddesses - present incontravertable proof. Without such proof, your atheist arguments are but words and hot air.



I wonder how those that don't believe in a creator feel about all the planets in the solar system, the other galaxies, etc.

But all these things just appeared out of thin air, just as the earth and all the creatures on the earth, and human beings, etc.

Anyway, great post


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/29/2011 8:10:20 PM   
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you've got to be fucking kidding me! prove a negative?

i have provided ample evidence for the nonexistence of a god, adequate for any other hypothesis to be considered false. ergo, your belief in a god is false. he doesn't exist and you are deluded.. it is what it fucking is, and all your bitching and whining and muttering will not change it, nor will your imbecilic little challenges.

its up to you fucking theists to provide proof for your invisible buddy, not the other way round. you do realize just how fucking stupid you theists look when you trot out this tired old bit of idiocy. it just proves what a shaky house of cards your belief is.


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adequate for any other hypothesis to be considered false. ergo, your belief in a god is

Hannah, you fuck crazy, wild ass lesbian you!
You haven't proven anything aside from the fact that you like to say fuck, you are frenetic and really pretty damn funny. You cannot prove God, Allah, Yahwee or whichever deity someone wishes to worship, does not exist. As no one else can prove the existence of such a deity. It all has to do with Faith, belief and it defies logic but, 100 years ago so did a flight to the moon.


Nice post Mark, though Hannah will be Hannah and she enjoys demanding proof of GOD!


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/30/2011 6:49:08 AM   
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I wonder how those that don't believe in a creator feel about all the planets in the solar system, the other galaxies, etc.


The Big Bang model or theory is the prevailing[1] cosmological theory of the early development of the universe. According to the Big Bang model, the universe was originally in an extremely hot and dense state that expanded rapidly. This expansion caused the universe to cool and resulted in the present diluted state that continues to expand today. Based on the best available measurements as of 2010, the original state of the universe existed around 13.7 billion years ago,[2][3] which is often referred to as the time when the Big Bang occurred.[4][5] The theory is the most comprehensive and accurate explanation supported by scientific evidence and observations.[6][7]

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/30/2011 6:53:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

Nice post Mark, though Hannah will be Hannah and she enjoys demanding proof of GOD!

Demanding proof isn't even remotely comparable to some other things I saw in this thread. Frankly, I credit Hannah for being one of the few to actually call farglebargle on his shit.

K.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/30/2011 9:46:48 PM   
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I wonder how those that don't believe in a creator feel about all the planets in the solar system, the other galaxies, etc.


The Big Bang model or theory is the prevailing[1] cosmological theory of the early development of the universe. According to the Big Bang model, the universe was originally in an extremely hot and dense state that expanded rapidly. This expansion caused the universe to cool and resulted in the present diluted state that continues to expand today. Based on the best available measurements as of 2010, the original state of the universe existed around 13.7 billion years ago,[2][3] which is often referred to as the time when the Big Bang occurred.[4][5] The theory is the most comprehensive and accurate explanation supported by scientific evidence and observations.[6][7]


Thank you my pretty, but I have been walking the earth over 40 years, and I have heard about the "Big Bang Theory" many times.

I was one of those children that used to ask "why" why? why?

What CAUSED the big bang theory? I am not a rocket scientist but I know nothing can occur out of nothing, there is ALWAYS a beginning, and until someone can explain to me where the beginning started outside of a Creator there is no dice.

What came before the big bang?

lol, what is a black hole? who made the black hole?

Big Bang Theory? Black Holes? lol

lol, no

Since it is a holiday weekend, lol---here goes!!

What is wrong with the big bang theory

EVERYTHING is caused by "something" other than itself.

But to always, To each their own.

People can surely believe in anything they want, as I do.

Peace

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/30/2011 10:33:08 PM   
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you're saying it's not a delusion because it's real to them, they have faith that it's real. the crazy fucker at the grocery store who thinks star trek is real has faith in capt. kirk. he's not delusional? by your measure he wouldn't be.


I hate to be the one to inform you that Star Trek is real. Its given us a number of shows, movies, books, games (including the MMO), action figures (I bet your jealous that your not an action figure), cloths, and other items (including sonic screw drivers....). They have conventions, the actors certainly are treated like high level celebrities. Much of the shows is based on good story telling, creative dreamers, and inspiring tales.

Here's one of those inspiring tales by everyone's favorite Engineer!

There's just as many folks that like Starwars too! But, its all based on fiction right? I'd take a wild guess you consider the Holy Bible fiction as well. Its not the direct thing that is important, its want comes from that, which matters.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 12:20:45 AM   
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EVERYTHING is caused by "something" other than itself.

The formulation I would prefer is that each "something" arises as a consequence of EVERYTHING.

K.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:21:49 AM   
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The formulation I would prefer is that each "something" arises as a consequence of EVERYTHING.


That's not at all an unreasonable assertion when we consider the complexity, the inter-dependence and the inter-connectedness of existence. (sorry about the obtuse terms)

It seems to suggest that problems arise when we try to break things up into discrete categories or when we impose orders or classifications that appear to make sense to humans at one level or another onto much greater domains. So it's quite resonant with the logic (and flaws) of classification in that sense.

It does seem to me to have some serious implications for reductionist approaches. However, as far as I can tell it's an unverifiable assertion - so, unfortunately, it's unlikely to make much difference to those seduced by the limited charms of reductionism.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 5:10:27 AM   
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explain to me where the beginning started outside of a Creator there is no dice.


Explain to me how the beginning started WITH a Creator first... You want to add Deus ex Machina, so tell us how the Deus worked, if you want us to engage this hypothesis...

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 1:43:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Explain to me how the beginning started WITH a Creator first...

Why don't you explain that one, since you claim it was your "G-d" that did it.

All them other gods didn't create The Heaven and Earth, so fuck them.

K.



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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 1:45:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Marini

EVERYTHING is caused by "something" other than itself.

The formulation I would prefer is that each "something" arises as a consequence of EVERYTHING.

K.

Cause and effect here is assumed as well.

Hinduism, for example, doesn't assume a beginning. Nor do some "primitive" belief systems...Hopi comes to mind, where everything is manifest or manifesting, but without past/present/future tenses.

In Ancient Greek and Norse beliefs, the universe created the Gods, not vice versa.


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 7/1/2011 1:54:56 PM   
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many categorize all Christians as if we all share the exact same beliefs and worship the same way.

While all christians share a belief in things that aren't real, you're right, those actual beliefs vary quite a bit. There are as many types of "christianity" as there are "christians". Each person takes the teachings in the bible, which has literally hundreds of thousands of ideas in it, and accepts or rejects each one, until he or she has the religion he or she wants. That's the beauty of it, no two people have exactly the same beliefs. Some accept the notion that bisexual and gay people should be killed in a public and painful manner, others reject it. Some accept the slaughter of their first child to appease god, others don't. Some eat fish on Fridays, others don't. Same goes for things like "is dancing okay?" and "should we smear goat blood on our door frame or not?" It's possible to pick and choose nearly any set of beliefs or lifestyles you like, with the one versatile text.

So yes, I agree with you - christians don't share the exact same beliefs nor do they all worship the same way.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:02:14 PM   
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It takes as much faith to be sure there is no god, as to be sure there is.

It takes as much faith to be sure there is no magical-teapot-in-orbit-around-Jupiter, as to be sure there is.


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:05:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, it takes little to construct a false analogy.

Those arguing from a standpoint of logic would do better were they to use it.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:17:35 PM   
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I wonder how those that don't believe in a creator feel about all the planets in the solar system, the other galaxies.. these things just appeared out of thin air, just as the earth and all the creatures on the earth, and human beings, etc.

If you spent a couple hours of your life (more, if you're not too smart), you could have all those answers. That you've made it this far into your life and still not read about reality shows just how dangerous an unwavering belief in myth can be. You've blocked out any chance of learning, and therefore furthering your understanding of your own life, by claiming that the lies that were drilled into your head as a child are "The Truth"..... because they say they are.

You can't seriously think that everyone who doesn't share your beliefs is of the opinion that "everything just appeared randomly from thin air"..... can you? :(


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:19:28 PM   
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it takes little to construct a false analogy.

It's only as false as the other statement.
HINT: "god" and "magical-teapot-in-orbit-around-Jupiter" are both very very unlikely, and there is no evidence to support either.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:21:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Begs the question. Fallacy #2.

Hint: Magical tea-pot and God are not similarly categorized, nor are their alleged attributes. Further, you are confusing "proof of" with "evidence for," using them interchangeably, and hence, erroneously.



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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:22:48 PM   
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Begs the question. Fallacy #2.

Hint: Magical tea-pot and God are not similarly categorized, nor are their alleged attributes.

You need to try to make sense.


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:23:58 PM   
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See above edit.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 7/1/2011 2:25:44 PM   
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you are confusing "proof of" with "evidence for," using them interchangeably, and hence, erroneously.

I'm not confusing anything for anything. If you're confused, grab a dictionary :)
This thread isn't a debate about how to debate. Check the OP for the topic.


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