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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:52:11 AM   
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Hell, DC, some people came out and voted for Obama for no other reason than his skin tone.


At least they voted.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 3:02:14 AM   
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Hell, DC, some people came out and voted for Obama for no other reason than his skin tone.


No one voted against him for the same reason.....eh Rich ?  If you are going to post about colour, at least be even handed.

Excuse me if I sound naive ..... but wouldn't being even-handed destroy the whole point of the exercise?

'Even-handed Obama-bashing' just doesn't work for me .....

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RE: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 5:26:34 AM   
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Many people are influenced by foreign policy in their voting choice, not just in the US. Muslims overwhelmingly voted for Obama rather than McCain by around 90%, to a large extent due to his positioning on foreign policy.

If you mean Muslim Americans voted for Obama because they were sick of being AFRAID of their president and other elements of THEIR government. You'd be right. Working in technology development (networking and software) I probably know about 50 Muslim Americans that voted for Obama and the ABOVE is what they almost universally stated as their motivation.

So they voted due to a given foreign policy issue as many Jews did, except they were even more partisan in their political choices? On that we can agree.

To the best of my knowledge Bush never said anything discriminatory toward Muslims. In fact he said a few times it was a religion of peace: http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
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The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 7:16:09 AM   
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at least be even handed.



When the entire foundation of the reelection campaign is going to be class-warfare and demonization of anyone who disagrees?

As much as some would like to believe that all the racists are one one side of the partisan equation, that's bullshit. There wasn't a Bradley effect in '08. If just as many had voted against Obama based on skin color as voted for it, we'd have seen the result among blue-collar Dems. It wasn't there.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 9:19:42 AM   
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Hell, DC, some people came out and voted for Obama for no other reason than his skin tone.


No one voted against him for the same reason.....eh Rich ?  If you are going to post about colour, at least be even handed.



My friends husband refused to vote because the only thing he hates worse then a black man is a republican.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 10:20:15 AM   
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Israel matters in American elections.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 12:08:30 PM   
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My friends husband refused to vote because the only thing he hates worse then a black man is a republican.


Thats a sad comment on society, and yes, we would have the same thing happen here on both sides of the divide.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 12:11:39 PM   
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As much as some would like to believe that all the racists are one one side of the partisan equation, that's bullshit. There wasn't a Bradley effect in '08. If just as many had voted against Obama based on skin color as voted for it, we'd have seen the result among blue-collar Dems. It wasn't there.


You are replying to a point of your own making again Rich. Are you seriously suggesting no white people refused to vote for a black man ? 

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 1:29:34 PM   
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Israel matters in American elections.



That's definitely true, FDD, and that's what's troubling me. Shouldn't people be voting for the good of the U.S., not putting another country first?

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 1:41:56 PM   
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Be nice to see some support for those claims.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:00:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama wont sit down with the GOP but he will sit down with the Muslim Brotherhood. And HS puts Israel on the list of sponsors of terrorism. Any Jew who votes for Obama is brain dead.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:02:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for explaining that. Your insightful, well-documented, in-depth and dispassionate views are an example to us all.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:07:41 PM   
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Thanks for explaining that. Your insightful, well-documented, in-depth and dispassionate views are an example to us all.


If you havent seen both of those FACTS you havent watched the news this week. Dispassionate? Why would I be dispassionate about our most important ally in the world being thrown under the bus?

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:09:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have three clauses in that post. Your opening one sets the tone for the remainder to be interpretation, vs. analysis.

But you're right...I never watch the news. Haven't seen TV news in 8 years. They stopped being news sources long before that.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:11:48 PM   
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You have three clauses in that post. Your opening one sets the tone for the remainder to be interpretation, vs. analysis.

But you're right...I never watch the news. Haven't seen TV news in 8 years. They stopped being news sources long before that.


Then stfu about those FACTS being undocumented. TYVM.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:13:18 PM   
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The first one, Mr. Analysis.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:18:42 PM   
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Sigh.

The first one, Mr. Analysis.


I guess you didnt watch the WH press conference yesterday. O'Connell invited Obama to meet and his stooge blew them off.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:36:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah. So all this is over that one event?

I think I'll stick to my original assessment of the depth of your political analysis.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 2:47:42 PM   
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Sigh.

The first one, Mr. Analysis.


I guess you didnt watch the WH press conference yesterday. O'Connell invited Obama to meet and his stooge blew them off.


Yes, saying he already knows because they have already informed him they are going to recite the same old dogshit, nothing new, just say their position again.

Waste of time listening to corporate patsies.

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RE: Israel: A Lens for Viewing Obama? - 7/1/2011 3:30:27 PM   
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The author is from Harvard, which means shit to me but......

Again, presented without comment at this time :

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28248.htm

T^T

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