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ORIGINAL: Marini
Capitalism/Socialism 50/50 blend, or some similiar mix is inevitable, its just a matter of time.
I have no idea HOW the United States will end up, but Capitalism in its present form is not going to last,and will not be sustainable.
Unbridled corporate greed is going to be the catalyst that produces the changes, that are coming our way.
Its a pity though, it could have worked, but unbridled corporate greed, and policies such as unbridled outsourcing have pretty much fucked this country up.
I seriously doubt the United States will survive much longer in its current Capitalistic state, at the least Capitalism as we know it is going to change.
You connect the dots.
No Marini...you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Capitalism works, it has always worked it always will work. It is the most natural system. People compete with each other and the better product wins. Does there need to be some regulation? Sure. But the bad products and the less productive producers get weeded out and that is how it should be.
He's not to fair off the mark. This country had, for a time, something known as 'Regulated Capitalism'. A form of capitalism in which EVERYONE played by the same rules, and law-breakers were stiffly punished. In a very simple form, a 'Regulated Capitalism' is best though of as the 'Monopoly' board game. There are certain things one can and can not do in the game. If a rule is invented thats not in the rules (i.e. money from 'tax time' and such placed in the middle for when someone lands on 'Free Parking'), all the players have to agree to it. Now, the game doesn't account for all the plumbers, carpenters, shippers, sales agents, etc, that exist in real life. That is rather assumed to keep the game simple and fun to play (though I'm sure some of you groaned just reading the name of the game).
It always amuses me how little you understand the business world from either a 'real world' or 'academic' perspective when I read stuff like "People compete with each other and the better product wins'. I could explain how that statement is foolish, but it would be entirely off topic. One of the reasons to keep a inferior product on the market, is that it would cost to much for someone else to improve upon it and than sell to the public.
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We already have socialism, Marini. Understand? We did Tarp and the Stimulus and the Omnibus to the Stimulus and then we did the QE 2. We pumped trillions of dollars into businesses and banks that were corrupt with the consent of our government and then they imploded. There was rampant fraud, Marini, but no one got prosecuted. Their government sanctioned corruption and gambling was "nationalized". Understand?
And how did those businesses get that way, if they were in a 'regulated capitalism' from the '80s and 90s? A group of folks known to the public as 'Republicans' removed regulations, and the inspectors which than allowed those companies to do things once considered 'illegal' and/or 'unethical'. Judging by your hatred of Democrats, its safe to assume you voted for the very type of crap, your now bitching about. Perhaps you should consider WHO and WHAT you vote on in the future. That way, you dont appear that much of an idiot to all of us.
Hate to break it to you, but many aspects of the USA run on Socialism. Imagine if the US Military was run under a Capitalistic system? In which rich sons and daughters got high officer ranks not by their achievements, intelligence, or education, but by how much Daddy gave Uncle Sam? Some countries have done that (including the both sides of the American Civil War). I think I'll take the whole 'achievements, intelligence, and education of our officers' even if that means the system is socialistic in practice. Likewise, the law enforcement works on a socialism system. So do does the local fire department. It keeps 'favoritism' down.
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We the people absorbed their losses and those corrupt executives left with millions in their pockets and started up new ventures. That is called socialism for the rich and super rich.
Really? Starting 'new [business] ventures' is socialism? Technically, 'We the People' didn't absorb the losses, the US Goverment did. Under Bush, it was done 'without strings', and under Obama 'with' strings. Those businesses were happy to take the money from Bush, but gave all sorts of crap to the Obama administration for doing it. In fact, all the loans given out to those companies not only was paid back, but 'We the People' made a profit on the loans.
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We also have socialism for the poor....it is called welfare and HUD Housing and food stamps and medicare.
WOW, your 'tough' to pick on the poor and disable. How much coal do you get every year in your stocking?
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People who do not pay any federal taxes, including 35 million illegal immigrants, get free education, police protection, fire protection, free medical, sanitation services, jail services, court services without paying one dime in federal taxes or into social security.
35 million eh? You do have a source for that 'accurate' number right? Or is that number as useless a concept in your brain as 'socialism' when compared to the real world's concepts of either term? And I hate to tell you lockedaway, illegal immigrants pay taxes. I know, its shocking to you. They dont get the 'illegal immigrant' discount on food, gas, cigarettes, small/large item purchases (i.e. tvs, stereos, washer/dryer, etc). They pay the same price as everyone else at the register. If they are on a toll road, they pay the SAME toll as all the others on the road. A good chunk of them (mostly those that have lived in the country longer than 4 years) voluneetarily pay income taxes (its not much, but they do pay). The IRS is under no responsiblity to do the DOJ's job.
They even work in harsher enviroments, for a helluva a lot less pay, and put up with considerably more bullshit than you do. So you might consider cutting them some slack in the future. Oh, yes, they broke a law. Have you broken a law (including driving 1 mph over the posted speed limit)? And if you did, did you 'turn yourself in' at the police station, and DEMANDED the maxinmun penalty for the crime? No? Then stop being a hypocrite!
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So if you take the rich and the super rich out of the equation...that only accounts for about 10% of the population or LESS. Take out the retirees, those that are beneath the age of majority, those that are here illegally, those that are on welfare and those that earn so little that they don't pay federal taxes and there goes between 40-47% more of our population. What is left is a narrow little slice that makes the country run and that narrow slice has a form of capitalism and is taxed to death. Understand?
Ah yes, you believe its those evil taxes, that are preventing you from enjoying 'life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness', right? I could put money down, that states you have really no clue about your own financial situation nor financial discipline to 'build wealth' (building wealth is MUCH different from 'getting rich').
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