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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:00:49 AM   
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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:01:20 AM   
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Since the question is manufacturing jobs, the dot.com business should have little impact. Nonetheless, a ten year slide covering two terms is hardly a sign of much more than neglect. The export program could have started much sooner.

The rest is your partisan paranoia. I'm actually quite free trade, if your knee-jerk ego would pull back enough to read the posts. The "leftist" "socialists" are after me all the time for it, as are the "independents" and the "conservative" "right wing" people who don't understand that they're opposing exactly what their revered leaders are promoting.

Since you're cherry-picking points....your argument, then, is that Bush's entire eight years is a result of the 1998 recession?

That's really your stance? If so, doesn't say much for his economic policies, does it.

Try again, with points instead of taunts.




LOLOLOLOLOL awwwwww...don't be upset.  You showed a graph of the worst year of a president's administration and you used it to characterize his whole presidency and you got caught and now you are pissy.  Poor thing...

Six of Bush's 8 years were VERY prosperous and unemployment figures prove it.  GOT THAT???  Deal with it.

I am NOT a supporter of G.W. Bush.  I have no problem with the war in Iraq and if you read the books I have read, you would likely feel differently but you will never do that.  The war in Iraq had a lot of justifications.  You know that your liberal scumbag icons like Hillary and Kerry and Jacques Chirac all thought there were weapons of mass destruction.  We did find poison gas and 500 cubic tons of not quite weapons grade yellow cake.  But what if the justification was creating a nation that would, like Israel, be an ally to our country during a time of rising Islamo-fascism?  Your first response is that nation building is bad.  Maybe.....maybe not.  We are still in Iraq, aren't we?  We are still in Afghanistan, are we not?  In both places there are national interests and you can make whatever argument you want to make about how vital they are.  The fact is that we are still there and now involved in Lybya as well.

All of that being said, this current president has created more debt during his time in office than his predecessor.  During the 3 years he has been in office, the military has had to be funded in what is now 3 incursions.  The largest federal budgets in American history have been taken out.  The greatest abrogation of our constitutional rights has been committed in......how long?  How long has it been since the last time you were forced to buy a product that didn't protect a person other than yourself?

I'm vulgar?  No...you support a ideology that is contrary to my liberty interests to keep what I earn and spend it as I please.  I think that makes YOU vulgar.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:07:39 AM   
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I've answered you three times. You ignored it three times to repeat your rant.

Have a great day, Mr. Reason.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:15:38 AM   
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Ignoring points made doesn't erase them, Einstein.

I've answered you three times. You ignored it three times to repeat your rant.

Have a great day, Mr. Reason.


I haven't ignored you!  Oh...so full of shit!  I posted a chart that goes back to ....what....1949 that shows a decrease in manufacturing for the past 60 years.  Have you addressed it?  No.  Why?  Because you want to hang all of that on George W. Bush's head.  Why?  Because you are a lying, partisan ideologue.  Jesus...that is a VERY simple conclusion to draw.

I asked you to tell me WHY Ross Perot said what he said and whether he said it because in '92 it was already MORE THAN APPARENT that this country had become openly hostile towards manufacturing.  Did you address it?  Of course not.  Why?  Because you are an lying, partisan ideologue.

I asked you how can O'fuckface's presidency be more successful than Bush's when under Bush unemployment averaged 4.4% and Obama has averaged over 8%.  Have you addressed it?  Show me where I have missed it if you have.  I went back and re-read and didn't see anything on it which leads me to believe that you are a lying, partisan ideologue.

I have asked repeatedly how the U.S. government creates private sector jobs through increasing corporate taxes, personal income taxes and payroll taxes AND NONE OF YOU LIBERAL/SOCIALIST NITWITS has an answer for that.

You know what your big problem is?  Your problem is that I have not ignored you ENOUGH.  You want people to accept the half truths you put out as gospel and I just say it is further indicia that you are a lying, partisan ideologue.



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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:18:49 AM   
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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:23:12 AM   
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ND grew 7.1% last year, unemployment is 3.2%, more jobs than unemployed people... hmmmm

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/north-dakota-spurred-energy-ag-boom-3-2-122815061.html


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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:32:36 AM   
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locked...meet reality.

I answered your charge immediately. You ignored the response to repeat the charge. I repeated the answer. You ignored it again to misrepresent the manufacturing discussion Term raised and to assign views I don't hold and didn't make.

All you have is your liberal rant--ironically ignoring that my free trade arguments alone would take away my liberal card.

This isn't about the nation or about the economy. It's about your blind ego running amuk on the Internet.

You don't have to admit it to me. But go back and read the posts, and you'll see you've been an ass--and continue to be.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:46:56 AM   
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Reality...meet locked.

locked...meet reality.

I answered your charge immediately. You ignored the response to repeat the charge. I repeated the answer. You ignored it again to misrepresent the manufacturing discussion Term raised and to assign views I don't hold and didn't make.



All you have is your liberal rant--ironically ignoring that my free trade arguments alone would take away my liberal card.

This isn't about the nation or about the economy. It's about your blind ego running amuk on the Internet.

You don't have to admit it to me. But go back and read the posts, and you'll see you've been an ass--and continue to be.



Dude...do yourself a favor.  When I merely implied that people that act like you are lying, pieces of shit, you got very offended even though I am right.  So what do you do?  You go out and put up another post that proves I'm right.  That takes a special kind of STUPID.

I asked about the differences in the unemployment figures and the difference in debt incurred by the current piece of skunk-shit president and the president that was only half competent that preceded him.  I asked about the U.S. being openly hostile to business and that Ross Perot pointed that out in '92 and that it has been a downward trend for the most part for the last 60 years.  You did not address that either.  Since you put up your fatuous and misleading chart in post number 56, you have addressed none of the things I have pointed out except for calling me paranoid.  Thanks, one doesn't have to be paranoid to know that listening to misleading, unethical ideologues will only cause you to embrace false data. 

After your bullshit use of the graph in post 56, you put up post 62, 63, 64, 69, 71 and 76.  None of those posts dealt with anything I have said.  Therefore, for you to say "Hey...I answered all of your charges" makes you a lying bathrobe full of pus.  Then you put up post number 78 and that was in response to Willbe.  Then you put up posts numbered 83 and 87 and that hasn't addressed anything I have said either.

I stand by my characterization of you.  Willbe thinks I'm wrong but I haven't seen any reason why I should feel that way.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:51:11 AM   
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By the way....look up the difference between "explicitly stating" and "merely implying." But hardly the first misrepresentation here.

Why would I go through your questions point by point when you're ignoring my answers and repeating the original claims as if never addressed? Now THAT would be stupid of me. If you want to have a debate/discussion, you actually have to debate/discuss. This is just shit-slinging.




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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 10:55:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't ignored anything. I have addressed your graphs.  They are snapshots.  I told you that.  You want to have the last word?  Fine...post something else, another funny, call me paranoid again, whatever.  You got it, sport, have the last word.  What I said in post number 88 is entirely accurate. :)

Now write back and say "no its not" and call me paranoid.  Knock yourself out.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 11:35:39 AM   
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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 1:02:39 PM   
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Could it be....just could it....that we have made the climate in the U.S. so fucking hostile towards business



Our business climate has been the same. Lets remember, we are a developed country.

What has changed is access to new pools of slave labor, people who work so cheap because they live in such an undeveloped country that even with the added transportation costs it still ends up to be more profitable.  And that is a far cry from us ratcheting up the hostility.

Only a retard can look at a 90% cost differential and blame it on a developed nation's "abuse" of manufacturers by instituting things like clean water regs.

The real story is the loss of moral compass by manufacturers, profiting from selling in a developed nation but not making their goods in the developed nation.  And to think in the 1940s, during wartime, you actually had companies stop their normal production and re-tool to make goods for the war - apparel manufacturers changing their production lines to make parachutes, etc, because they knew what a US defeat would bring.   Thank god we don't have a WWII style conflict going on with the greed and selfishness of today's manufacturers. We would lose for sure.

I'm sure you enjoy the resulting "race to the bottom", our painful equalizing with other less developed countries lacking indoor plumbing and clean water, but you are all alone in that.






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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 3:59:53 PM   
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http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/north-dakota-spurred-energy-ag-boom-3-2-122815061.html


You probably just helped out at least a couple of my former colleagues that are currently un or under-employed as I forwarded the article and am pretty sure most of them will pick up the ball and run with it.
  And I am kinda pissed you can search Massachusetts papers online and find basically nothing on Dakota's boom.
  Thanks and happy 4th


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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 4:01:18 PM   
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Could it be....just could it....that we have made the climate in the U.S. so fucking hostile towards business



Our business climate has been the same. Lets remember, we are a developed country.

What has changed is access to new pools of slave labor, people who work so cheap because they live in such an undeveloped country that even with the added transportation costs it still ends up to be more profitable.  And that is a far cry from us ratcheting up the hostility.

Only a retard can look at a 90% cost differential and blame it on a developed nation's "abuse" of manufacturers by instituting things like clean water regs.

The real story is the loss of moral compass by manufacturers, profiting from selling in a developed nation but not making their goods in the developed nation.  And to think in the 1940s, during wartime, you actually had companies stop their normal production and re-tool to make goods for the war - apparel manufacturers changing their production lines to make parachutes, etc, because they knew what a US defeat would bring.   Thank god we don't have a WWII style conflict going on with the greed and selfishness of today's manufacturers. We would lose for sure.

I'm sure you enjoy the resulting "race to the bottom", our painful equalizing with other less developed countries lacking indoor plumbing and clean water, but you are all alone in that.



You are incorrect.  Not only incorrect but savagely uneducated.  OK, eternal?  Here is your argument, "because we live in nicer places in the world with better, but also more punitive environmental regulations, our businesses leave to have products built with lower standards of living.  That our corporate tax rate is 35.9% at its highest level, that we have unions that routinely strike for pay increases comparable to COLA whether the actual cost of living has gone up or not, because we have enormous payroll taxes and with manufactures paying an enormous amount in state and local taxation not only on their profits but the real estate taxes for their manufacturing plants, the REAL reason why we are losing business is a lack of moral compass amongst our manufacturers."  That is your argument and it is so fucking stupid it is hard to get a handle on.

Go to an automobile manufacturing plant and see how much of it is run by robotics.  Didn't you asshole, fool, messianic, man-child, loser, cocksucker president blame unemployment on how automated our society has become and didn't he point out ATM machines (which have been in use since the 70's)?  Puuuuhhhlleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.  Don't give you your stupid bullshit.  Manufacturer's offer a job.  You want to take it?  Fine...you don't?  Go elsewhere.  They don't OWE YOU $50.00 PER HOUR for a $10.00 job....understand?  It is not their responsibility to pay unskilled labor at skilled labor prices.  If we had a more competitive and business friendly environment YOU WOULD HAVE MORE CORPORATE PHILANTHROPISTS LIKE HERSHEY!!!!  Understand?  Not even Hershey could be Hershey in this country anymore.  Get it through your head.

Postscript: Two parting thoughts.  First, I can't help it if you are too stupid to realize that your country has declared war on you.  Confiscatory taxation, cameras on every light post, the digitization of money, the monetization of the debt, that tacit approval of your country being colonized by illegal aliens....if you are too fucking dumb to see your life as a narrowing hallway with an ever shrinking ceiling....well....that's your problem.  Second, no one owes you a fucking thing.  No one owes you a house or a job or cable or Reeboks....nothing.  The sooner you lose your whining, entitlement attitude the better off you will be.  There is ONE FUCKING THING this government can do for you that would help you; get the fuck out of your way and let you make a living and invest your money without the government being that silent but deadly partner that takes 50% after you include Federal, State, local and property tax. 

HAPPY MOTHERFUCKING 4TH OF JULY!!!!!  Muuuuhahahahahahahhahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahah


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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 4:11:54 PM   
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http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/north-dakota-spurred-energy-ag-boom-3-2-122815061.html


You probably just helped out at least a couple of my former colleagues that are currently un or under-employed as I forwarded the article and am pretty sure most of them will pick up the ball and run with it.
  And I am kinda pissed you can search Massachusetts papers online and find basically nothing on Dakota's boom.
  Thanks and happy 4th


Yeah, it is sorta hard to find much on it, I read a blurb about N Dakota bucking the trend some time ago and tried to find more online info but there wasnt much, its been silently booming away. But surely, if N Dakota can do this, other states can do better too, if they just stopped to objectively look at what they are doing wrong and N Dakota is doing right.

Hope it works out for those you forwarded the article to. Happy 4th to you.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 4:13:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Only a retard can look at a 90% cost differential and blame it on a developed nation's "abuse" of manufacturers by instituting things like clean water regs. "

I think you are mistaken if you think it is just low cost labor. Have you ever started a business in the US ? It is ridiculous the shit you have to go through just to get started. Ninety percent of businesses started here fail in the first year, and that is because they did not consider all the ramifications and costs. I have been through this and that is why I am so reluctant to start another business. Those who know would rather do it elsewhere because they are not stupid.

Back then my business was recession proof and not exportable, and according to advice was one that had among the most minimal of government interference. There was no licensing, bonding or insuring. We did just fine being self insured. Even with all those advantages, afterward I decided to join a high perfornace work force and the pay was almost as good, and it was steady. The choice was clear. One business would have gone out of business if not for my performance AND INFLUENCE. They will admit it freely and if you want I'll give you their phone number.

There is alot more than just cheap labbor involved, and if you think other countries will just let people pollute like they did here for decades you are mistaken. The fact is that they facilitate business, they cooperate. Here, the first thing the government does is try to extract every fucking dime they possibly can. That is quite a bit higher than labor costs, they have found.

Too bad I threw out all the papers they sent me when I went ionto business. I would send them to you, but you would have to pay for postage. It all couldn't go in one load via UPS to say the least. And this is just the paper they send, it has nothing to do with the cost of compliance. Try it and you will run for China just as fast as any of them.

"The real story is the loss of moral compass by manufacturers, profiting from selling in a developed nation but not making their goods in the developed nation."

With that, I agree. But it is fueled by other circumstances, like quarterly reports and dividends expected.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 4:16:44 PM   
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NOT the middle/working classes.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 4:17:46 PM   
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You probably just helped out at least a couple of my former colleagues that are currently un or under-employed as I forwarded the article and am pretty sure most of them will pick up the ball and run with it.
  And I am kinda pissed you can search Massachusetts papers online and find basically nothing on Dakota's boom.
  Thanks and happy 4th



Its not exactly news. Its been mentioned here several times and even the MSM talked about it a few weeks ago.

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 4:18:54 PM   
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http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/north-dakota-spurred-energy-ag-boom-3-2-122815061.html


You probably just helped out at least a couple of my former colleagues that are currently un or under-employed as I forwarded the article and am pretty sure most of them will pick up the ball and run with it.
And I am kinda pissed you can search Massachusetts papers online and find basically nothing on Dakota's boom.
Thanks and happy 4th


Yeah, it is sorta hard to find much on it, I read a blurb about N Dakota bucking the trend some time ago and tried to find more online info but there wasnt much, its been silently booming away. But surely, if N Dakota can do this, other states can do better too, if they just stopped to objectively look at what they are doing wrong and N Dakota is doing right.

Hope it works out for those you forwarded the article to. Happy 4th to you.


I checked out your article too.  Thanks for posting it.  Because someone can edify about this.  I was talking with a friend that said that the country of China was buying 50 square miles of land in either Iowa or Idaho to establish a "Free Trade Zone."  Allegedly, in this FTZ, the chinese govt. would build manufacturing plants, schools, shopping centers, etc. exclusively for Chinese transplants...the workers.  In this zone, U.S. law would not apply.  Has anyone heard about this?

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RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills - 7/3/2011 4:35:46 PM   
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I checked out your article too.  Thanks for posting it.  Because someone can edify about this.  I was talking with a friend that said that the country of China was buying 50 square miles of land in either Iowa or Idaho to establish a "Free Trade Zone."  Allegedly, in this FTZ, the chinese govt. would build manufacturing plants, schools, shopping centers, etc. exclusively for Chinese transplants...the workers.  In this zone, U.S. law would not apply.  Has anyone heard about this?


Hmm, i googled and found some info online but I have no idea if this story is for real or just an interent hoax.
http://www.tradereform.org/2011/06/china-wants-to-construct-a-50-square-mile-self-sustaining-city-south-of-boise-idaho/
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/china-wants-50-square-miles-of-idaho-a-soft-invasion-of-america/4975


ok here is a blurb in their newspaper Idaho Statesman website-
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/12/31/1472023/chinese-company-eyes-boise.html


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