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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:10:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very painful that!!! I have arthritis in both hips & have been at about a level 8 pain for most of the last 8 months. I will probably try Cortisone injections again. As I said, I do hope that the marijuana will help your mother's pain. I know that some people find it very effective & I'm very happy for them.

I remember when I worked in a hospital in the late 70's-early 80's, we had a patient who was greatly helped by it, so we never put a roommate in his room so that he could smoke freely. Looooong before it ever became legal for medical usage, the staff there understood the medical benefits & allowed its usage by patients.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:13:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I see nothing wrong with pot. It should be legalized. "

I can prove that it was unconstitutional to unlegalize it in the first place. Want it ?

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:16:50 PM   
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No it is international agreements.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:18:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Actually, how one comes by the morphine determines whether it is legal or not. Along with if it is being used as prescribed. Just sayin'. "

Bullshit.

"Many companies will not fire someone for addiction but will cover rehab costs."

You have no idea of my world. Drug testing at work is "HIT THIS". We don't report our use. We drive cool, we be cool and you know what, NOBODY KNOWS !

And that doesn't even touch on the connections we make in life. I wish you could stop working for the corporate zombieists, but I don't see it happening.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:27:42 PM   
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Her profile contained three pictures of her smoking a pot pipe.
Doesn't d&d free imply weed-free?

Were the contents of the pipe labelled "marijuana", or did you just assume? Pipes (yes, even glass ones) are sold for smoking anything you want to smoke. That said, no matter what was in the pipe, it was a drug. You don't smoke anything from a pipe that isn't.
And yes, D&D free implies weed-free. It also implies caffeine-free, sugar-free, nicotine-free, tylenol-free, and so forth. Very few people are truly "drug free".


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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:29:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Since my eyes seem intent on heading to glaucoma I hope Florida has medicinal pot by then.  If not I may have to move."

They can now put in what's called a shunt. This is a pressure controlled drain and it drains the excess humor straight into the body, which I am told is not a problem.

So there is no excuse really. Why some states allow it is possibly beyond me, but I suspect that there would be a rebellion. But an eye operation can fix glaucoma, so there is no excuse.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:32:32 PM   
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That would be so convenient for you huh ? Sorry about your luck.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:34:36 PM   
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Technically marijuana is classified as a drug same as alcohol. Just talk to anyone who is in AA or NA or the DEA.




No, not 'technically,' but legally so classified. Understand the distinction and difference there.

And quite disingenuous it is to equate the legal one which does far greater harm, to the  contrived illegality (not 'technically' meaningful) of other item.

While we're at it, let's have the stats of how many members in NA for MJ addiction.  And, I know it's coming: "the 'stageway' thing? What about that?"

A large percentage of MJ users don't even use it 5-10 years later. A much larger percentage initial alcohol users maintain the use of it years later than MJ users. A much larger percentage of serious abuse heavy drug users started out on alcohol.

Guess which one is legal.

Get back to us on that.





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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:40:40 PM   
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It also implies caffeine-free, sugar-free, nicotine-free, tylenol-free, and so forth.
That's more than just a little silly.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 10:56:22 PM   
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  It sure counts as a drug in my book .    It causes intoxication  ,  impaired function,  and is not alcohol .    Oh - and by the way - last time I checked ,  it's illegal .




Legality can be changed at anytime. That has occurred in somewhat recent history regarding alcohol, sorry if it it escaped notice there.

But interesting to see that you apparently are OK with the much greater affect of intoxication and impaired function of alcohol vs. MJ.


Slavery and pedophilia are still legal in some countries, just to point that out, since "the law!" is obviously so much more important to you than than any rationally moral or societal consideration.





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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 11:49:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Forget all those groups. The law considers it an illegal drug."

You just don't get it. None of us, I mean half the population of this city, do not fucking care whether it is illegal or not. These people range from the occasional user to the hardcore head. It doesn't matter to us and at my age, I DARE them to bust me. DARE used to be an anti drug campaign for kids, and really kids should not do dugs. That is for adults. IIRC there were a few other things like that. But you don't understand, we got so many people in prison now that prison means Jack shit. We meet up with old friends.

And we get free medical care, BETTER DRUGS than y'all can get out here and almost no fucking chance of getting busted, and if we did, it doesn't mean shit. Meantime we pay no rent, phone, electric, heat, nothing. We can collectively hire bigtime lawyers who can give us more fucking rights than yours can give you.

You know I do think drugs should just be legal, but it wold not make me happier by any means. Do you want to know how much I made smuggling "certain things" into prison(s) ? The guards were always helpful.

It's like a separate culture. I got both. I am thinking of giving up the straight one and just going in. That's what it is, going "IN". People who don't have families or property that they care about couldn't care less. I care less every day, as I see people get stoooopider and stoooooooooooopider, and I see the end coming to our fake prosperity in this country. Chris Rock said it quite well in "Feel The Pain" - "Life is catching up to jail". Hey, you could live in a nice house and all that shit, but just how the fuck free are you ? Think about it. You are free to obey and pay. We don't have to pay.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/1/2011 11:54:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"but someone that smokes daily or every weekend is an addict,"

Hello God. Now that it is clear that you make the decision for all of us I got something to say.

But I won't.

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I don't make decisions for you humans anymore, I have given you free will remember

If someone that smokes pot, or does a mind altering drug everyday, what are they if not addicted? Hey, I'm a drug addict, I smoke cigarettes, even god has his problems. However, at least cigarettes don't make your thinking all discombulated, and I see that as a personal failing, and plan to stop at some point. I used to smoke pot everyday for like a year and half I'd guess, and before that a few times a week, and while it wasn't horrible to quit, I still had strong urges from time to time, so it may not be physically addictive, but it's still mentally addictive. I know lots of people addicted to pot, but that is the best drug to be addicted to if you're going to be addicted to a drug, but it's still an addiction.

Anyway, yeah, I define an addict as someone that feels compelled to do a drug on a regular basis.

So, speaketh the lord....

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 12:03:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"but someone that smokes daily or every weekend is an addict,"

Hello God. Now that it is clear that you make the decision for all of us I got something to say.

But I won't.

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I don't make decisions for you humans anymore, I have given you free will remember

If someone that smokes pot, or does a mind altering drug everyday, what are they if not addicted? Hey, I'm a drug addict, I smoke cigarettes, even god has his problems. However, at least cigarettes don't make your thinking all discombulated, and I see that as a personal failing, and plan to stop at some point. I used to smoke pot everyday for like a year and half I'd guess, and before that a few times a week, and while it wasn't horrible to quit, I still had strong urges from time to time, so it may not be physically addictive, but it's still mentally addictive. I know lots of people addicted to pot, but that is the best drug to be addicted to if you're going to be addicted to a drug, but it's still an addiction.

Anyway, yeah, I define an addict as someone that feels compelled to do a drug on a regular basis.

So, speaketh the lord....



The actual definition of addiction is: if doing something causes you problems & you do it anyway, you're an addict. Is someone who eats every day an addict? Not if it doesn't cause him problems. Is someone who has sex every day an addict? Again, not if it doesn't cause problems in his life. Same with any thing that one can use or abuse. Doing it every day doesn't make one an addict; if it causes one problems in one's life & one chooses to do it anyway, then it's an addiction. Of course, now there are distinctions between addiction & dependency, so maybe this isn't a good definition anymore.

You know what a doctor's definition of an alcoholic is? Someone who drinks more than the dr does.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 12:31:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I would say it just varies where she at, if its not illegal where she at then maybe she is right. And pictures of her smoking a pipe does not mean she does it everyday or was doing it then. She could of just been posing 

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 12:38:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		"and while it wasn't horrible to quit, I still had strong urges from time to time, so it may not be physically addictive, but it's still mentally addictive. "

So is sugar.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 12:44:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The actual definition of addiction is: if doing something causes you problems & you do it anyway, "

Incorrect. Psychologically. And if you want to quote them, bring along their recidivism rates. The do not understand it, therefore they cannot deal with it and that is that.

I speak from decades of experience, knowing those who fell into the hole and those who did not. And it doesn't matter. Kill yourself on coffee for all I care, that is not my problem.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 12:47:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		"if its not illegal where she at then maybe she is right"

Legality affects the "judgement" whether something is addictive, or a person is addictable or addicted ? Fine, you think that way.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 12:58:49 AM   
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I agree. I wouldn't say I don't use drugs if I do.


So if they are prescribed narcotics, what's the correct answer? They aren't doing illegal drugs, but they are taking drugs.


This was my dilemma. I was prescribed narcotics for a few years after a serious injury and they allowed me to work, stay active, and function. Other than pain relief, I felt no other effects from them consistent with impairment. When I sufficiently resolved my pain issue, I stopped taking them. But I always felt rather uncomfortable having to explain my use of them to a partner for fear he would think I had a drug problem.

I was also very anti-pot because my experience with it in highschool was that it impaired me greatly and I hate being in an altered state. California has MMJ, and I was actually advised by my doctor to try it to see if it would help with pain management. I had very mixed feelings about this but wasn't overjoyed at having to use narcotic pain medication either...taking narcotic meds long-term causes physical dependency (note I didn't say "addiction'), becomes less and less effective with time, and the acetaminophen used to compound it is hard on your liver. I learned that there are glycerin-based MMJ tinctures available (I've never been one for alcohol) which isolate the cannabinoids and cannabidiols that account for pot's pain-relieving qualities while minimizing or eliminating the psychoactive THC component. There is no smoking involved to ingest it (which I absolutely refused to do) and the tincture could even be massaged into the painful area for localized effect instead of more systemic relief by mouth via a few drops under the tongue. I didn't feel 'high' after trying it, just a little more comfortable. For me it was only somewhat effective (which could have been dosage/strain related) but there are many folks, especially elders who can not use other medications who respond well to it.

Fortunately, the need for regular use of pain medications of any kind is over, but while it was in progress I was very concerned about how I would be perceived since I didn't consider my use of *either* in the 'recreational' category and the methods of use didn't impair me in any way. In fact, I was more active at the time than I could have been without them. I consider myself pretty damn square when it comes to recreational use of drugs and alcohol especially since I've never been interested in using alcohol, so in my own profile I said something like 'excessive use of alcohol or recreational drugs in not acceptable." If someone responded and I was interested, I would evaluate that on a case-by-case basis now as opposed to automatically ruling him out like I would have before I was injured.

As to your OP DarkSteven-if that person had several pictures of her with smoking paraphernalia I would say whatever's in that apparatus is important enough to her to want to make a statement about it. So I guess it really comes down to: would you be comfortable with her use of whatever's in that pipe?

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 1:12:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		#1 - "explain my use of them to a partner for fear he would think I had a drug problem. "

#2 - "I was also very anti-pot because my experience with it in highschool was that it impaired me greatly "

#3 - "There is no smoking involved to ingest it (which I absolutely refused to do) "

#4 - "would you be comfortable with her use of whatever's in that pipe? "

So, what is your decision for the rest of us. May we do it or not ?

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 2:58:21 AM   
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I have little use for the pot heads that I know. They are the laziest group of people.... but I do not speak for all pot heads, again, just those I know.


I have little use for people who refuse to get intoxicated. They are the most boring and judgmental people...but I don't speak for everyone who gets "high on life" just those I know.

Okay that's not entirely true. But can you see how absolutely rude that sounds?

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