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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 3:20:24 AM

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Okay that's not entirely true. But can you see how absolutely rude that sounds?

It's pretty much true for me, I don't really trust a person who won't sit down and get impaired with me now and then. It makes me wonder what they are hiding, what they are afraid to let slip.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 3:27:44 AM

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How's about I fuck you up the ass instead?

Just a thought.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 3:29:09 AM

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Ummmmmm...OK, But I'll have to get pretty damned impaired first.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 3:30:26 AM

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Very painful that!!! I have arthritis in both hips & have been at about a level 8 pain for most of the last 8 months. I will probably try Cortisone injections again. As I said, I do hope that the marijuana will help your mother's pain. I know that some people find it very effective & I'm very happy for them.

I remember when I worked in a hospital in the late 70's-early 80's, we had a patient who was greatly helped by it, so we never put a roommate in his room so that he could smoke freely. Looooong before it ever became legal for medical usage, the staff there understood the medical benefits & allowed its usage by patients.

August 4th it'll be 12 years that I've been taking oxycodone for pain. I'm still at a relatively low dose, all things considered. I got a lot done on it up until a couple years ago, when I started to have some MRSA problems. I don't get any euphoria with it anymore, either... I think the anti-depressent/euphoric effects of opioids were responsible for my productivity despite the pain. My pain scale got revised back in December 2006. Until then, my 10 was a kidney stone. That's now my 9.

So d&d free means for me that I'm not strung out on anything. It doesn't apply to prescription meds, nor a good IPA, nor a puff of herb (which I haven't had in about 3 years - I'm thinking it might be time to try it at night occasionally for pain and for sleep, although my last good stone was on some Northern Lights cookies about 5 years back that was way to psychedelic for sleep...)

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 3:36:10 AM

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They just won't give you the good stuff eh ?

Up here we had "doctors" with their own highway exits.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 3:43:18 AM

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They just won't give you the good stuff eh ?

Up here we had "doctors" with their own highway exits.

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For me, oxy does just fine. Morphine is less effective as an analgesic, and dilaudid is a bit too euphoric. I'd get to likin' it too much.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 4:01:52 AM

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I would interpret D&D free to mean "free of drug dependency."

However, there is a big difference between having a glass of wine at night and a few tokes now and then and full blown drug dependency.

BTW: alcohol, nicotine, and caffiene are all addictive drugs. Anyone who has tried to stop smoking or cut down on coffee can tell you this. Alcohol is especially dangerous b/c it is so socially acceptable.

As for pot, there are many herbs that can have a profound effect, pot is but one of them. To the best of my knowledge, pot is the only one that is illegal.

Prescription drugs can have just as profound an effect as illegal ones. The fact that you don't get a high out of it is secondary.

Personally, I think all drugs should be legalized, but not encouraged (like nicotine these days). Addiction is a disease, not a moral failure. If I had my way, all the money spent on the drug war would be spent on rehab.

Just my three cents this morning.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 4:14:30 AM

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"However, there is a big difference between having a glass of wine at night and a few tokes now and then and full blown drug dependency."

NO NO NO NO, if you EVER touch the stuff, any stuff you need to hit rock bottom ! That's the dogma. You must remain completely pure, for some reward for not fucking EVER having a good time in life. If you can't get with the puritanical attitude we will have to put you in a cage.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 4:19:26 AM

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I have little use for the pot heads that I know. They are the laziest group of people.... but I do not speak for all pot heads, again, just those I know.

I have little use for people who refuse to get intoxicated. They are the most boring and judgmental people...but I don't speak for everyone who gets "high on life" just those I know.

Okay that's not entirely true. But can you see how absolutely rude that sounds?

Am I supposed to be offended and apologize? Not gonna happen. I have personal and professional reasons why I feel as I do.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 4:26:05 AM

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"However, there is a big difference between having a glass of wine at night and a few tokes now and then and full blown drug dependency."

NO NO NO NO, if you EVER touch the stuff, any stuff you need to hit rock bottom ! That's the dogma. You must remain completely pure, for some reward for not fucking EVER having a good time in life. If you can't get with the puritanical attitude we will have to put you in a cage.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 4:26:50 AM

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Could, I got a MIG welder.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 5:02:39 AM

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Eh but first you'd have to catch me.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 5:03:52 AM

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Yeah, but then I'll get stoned when I use it.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 5:05:50 AM

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I read the profile of a young lady on Fet. In it, she stated that she was d&d free.

Her profile contained three pictures of her smoking a pot pipe.

Doesn't d&d free imply weed-free?

To me it implies free of illegal drugs, which would include non-prescribed pot. For her to include three pictures denotes more than casual use.

I don't smoke pot myself, and wouldn't mind people who do, except it's illegal. I'd hate a run in with the law due to other people's pot.

The stoners I know (people who can't get through the day w/o pot) seem to only hurt themselves with their lack of ambition. The drunks I know hurt everybody around them. I was talking to a guy online and cut it off after he told me his roommate broke his windshield while drunk. I have no interest in hanging out with someone who choses to live a person made that out of control by alcohol.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 5:07:47 AM

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"I don't smoke pot myself, and wouldn't mind people who do, except it's illegal. I'd hate a run in with the law due to other people's pot. "

You fear the government.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 5:12:28 AM

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Yes.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 6:37:00 AM

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My own thinking is that marijuana should be legal.

It's demonstrably less dangerous than alcohol, both on a personal level and in terms of deaths and injuries from accidents that occur due to its use. I'd have to search for it to find it again, but I have seen rather convincing evidence that marijuana in light doses actually IMPROVES people's reflexes and awareness (though, of course at higher dosages the reflexes slow and awareness is lessened). Even at higher doses, it doesn't screw up your judgement nearly as badly as alcohol does.

Plus, there's tons of research indicating that marijuana in reasonable amounts is a highly effective painkiller without most of the unpleasant side effects of other painkillers. For me, it's the only thing I've ever found that works worth a damn when my menstrual cramps are especially bad and that actually leaves me somewhat functional.

And there's an interesting fact that marijuana has an amazingly low toxicity. It's damn near literally impossible to overdose on it. Plus, there's pretty strong evidence that for the majority of people, marijuana is NOT physically addictive. There are no withdrawal symptoms associated with long term use followed by complete cessation. I can confirm this one from personal experience; for years I did use it daily, then quit when I decided to take up a career as a truck driver. Mental addiction is a whole other kettle, and people who tend toward being prone to mental addictions can get addicted to ANYTHING.

Just think, if the US actually formally legalized pot, they could then regulate it and tax it just like alcohol and tobacco! Imagine how many billions of dollars in revenue that would generate!

I use pot more often than I do alcohol. My own personal preferences. I don't like the way alcohol tastes or how it makes me feel. I do enjoy the occasional toke, though. Being a bit buzzed actually makes me MORE productive around the house, not less. Makes me a touch hyper. I get all silly and chatty and bounce around. Understand, I don't toke up every day, far from it. I go months at a time without smoking pot. I go sometimes years at a time between drinks. I don't think addiction (to marijuana, anyway) is really a factor. I understand addictions, as I am actually addicted to caffeine and nicotine.

I've never had any interest in trying any of the 'harder' drugs, like cocaine or speed or any of the opiates. This flap about marijuana being a gateway drug is so much horse hockey. If anything, alcohol abuse is more likely to lead to drug abuse problems than pot is. Of course, that's just MY opinion.

ETA: Oh, yea. Completely lost sight of the original question. Yes, marijuana counts as 'drug use', but there is a clear difference between use and abuse. Abuse I'd have a problem with, use I think it's fairly clear that I don't have a problem with.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 7:18:02 AM

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I read the profile of a young lady on Fet. In it, she stated that she was d&d free.

Her profile contained three pictures of her smoking a pot pipe.

All the semantics and justification in this thread aside...

If someone told me she was D/D free, then lit a joint, I'd consider it (1) dishonest, (2) not something I want around me, and (3) the end of our association.

If others want to parse it, fine.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 7:24:20 AM

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pot grows along the side of the road with litte or no aid from anything other than the sun and the forces of nature,

Alrighty then, who's up for a little road trip?

OP: If I saw that on a profile, I would assume they meant all drugs even pot. And if you saw it on my ex's profile. It would also include alcohol. For me it would indicate someone I am not compatible with as I enjoy the herb from time to time.

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RE: Doesn't marijuana count? - 7/2/2011 7:31:15 AM

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You have a burst appendix, and you need emergency surgery. You have your choice of two surgeons: one is nicely toasted on marijuana, one smokes every night and is a little toasted, and the other isn't on anything.
Who do you want paddling around in your infected guts?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
Just because it's 'natural' doesn't mean it's not a drug [digitalis from foxglove, aspirin from willow bark].
Not only is marijuana a drug, it very much affects your responses, causes long-term memory damage and worse emphysema than tobacco, and is addictive. I can't tell you the number of people who say they're not addicted, yet can't make it through a workday or workweek without it.

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