Termyn8or
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"I just don't understand how people can think that the amount of crap we are pumping into the air and the sea will not have an effect on our enviroment.
No I am not a scientist
No I don't have all the facts and figures running through a super computer but it must be doing something "
Luck of the draw, you are "it". Just because I am ready and you are there, not so much your opinion.
"I just don't understand how people can think that the amount of crap we are pumping into the air and the sea will not have an effect on our enviroment. "
Let's run with that. I don't think that our polluting and burning hasn't had an effect, but it is important to know the the weight of that effect. And that is what I tried to bring up a while back. First of all the oceans' currents are going to change no matter what we do. If you look at a globe you see that land mass and water area are not distributed evenly among the northern and southern hemispheres.
Now the Earth's orbit is not absolutely round, it is eliptical :
"One sidereal year is roughly equal to 1 + 1/26000 or 1.0000385 tropical years. The difference is caused by the precession of the equinoxes, and means that over long periods of time a calendar based on the sidereal year will drift out of sync with the seasons at the rate of about one day every 72 years".
At the moment, the Earth is closest to the sun during the cold season in the northern hemisphere. The Arctic region is mostly water, while the Antarctic region has a considerable land mass underneath the ice. Since ice is at the surface, the absoption of the sun's energy does not differ all that much, but how that energy is dissipated is also a factor in global climate. Something like this can and does affect the ocean currents. Ocean currents have a profound effect on the weather in a good part of the inhabited land mass on this planet.
And our illustrious and well paid scientists have finally discovered that warmer water may melt ice faster than colder water. Too bad the caveman Og couldn't write, because I suspect he discovered this sometime around the invention of the wheel.
Enough of that for now. Let's say Man's burning of everything he can find, producing heat and greenhouse gases has had a deleterious effect on the climate and we are to blame. For proof of that, there are simpler ways that walking door to door and measuring the efficiency of every air conditioner and barbeque grill. You have three factors here :
1. The amount of heat produced, in BTUs.
2. The amount of the dreaded greenhouse gas; CO2.
3. Soot.
Now remember we burn everything. We even burn uranium to cool our houses. But see don't really cool anything, we just throw the heat outside. Everything we do involves heat. So if someone with all those letters after their name could possibly figure out just how much we are really doing versus what nature does Herself, we might get somewhere. However there is no economic advantage in doing that so I doubt the figures are readily available. It could be done by calculating the amount of energy produced by all the fossil used on the planet. A sixth grader can do it, in the good countries.
So let's suppose that our impact is minimal, and doesn't mean shit. The Earth is warming and we don't like it. What do we do ? Well since solar is afoot, remember when we put up massive solar panels it detracts from the total energy absorbed into the planet' surface. So if we do that, we can abate the effect, and really effectively alter the effect of Mother Nature. It wouldn't be the first time. In fact absorb any and all energy possible. Maybe with mirrors and/or giant lenses we can concentrate the sun's rays to produce steam for our energy. That would cast large shadows on the surface of the Earth and if it is getting too hot for us, it would be a step in the right direction.
But then it is possible that our actions are exaserbating the situation and therefore it would be logical to do something about it. Maybe we could get some big mirrors and lenses, concentrate the sun's rays to produce energy by means of steam, which would cast large shadows on the land masses thus abating the situation. This could also allow us to burn less fossil fuel which would reduce our negative influence on the system.
So instead of figuring out how to do something that is beneficial in either case, we must study the problem, and tax and argue and get rich until it is too late and we have 20-30% less land to live on. Atlantis anyone ?
Reminds me of a skit on SNL where John Belishi was in charge of a nuclear power plant. He left and said "You can't have too much water in the reactor". The others didn't know whether he ment not to overfill the reactor or if he meant the more water the better. They debated it and voted on it ad infinitum. And it was infinitum for them because they cut to a mushroom cloud at the end of the skit.
That is how I see this situation. Greed is going to cause enough fucking problems in discovery that nothing will get done. And then of course more money will be needed because the problem still exists. A self perpetuating cycle. They will have the clear blue skies, we will have the sun in our eyes and go blind.
I don't want their money I want mine. They are fucking useless.
T^T
< Message edited by Termyn8or -- 7/4/2011 6:00:35 PM >
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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 
alls I wanna know is do I build an ark or a Biosphere??? 
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