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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 3:48:16 PM   
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You know, you point out a statistically insignificant, but still present feature to rising sea levels. However, the scientists here in Gloucester at the several NOAA facilities have said in past meetings here with the fishing community, that's basically not an important factor given the difference in terms of overall contribution it adds is in the vicinity of 6 centimeters in 100 years, as opposed to .3 meters in the last 20.
Does that work better for you?
It'll have to, it's all you are going to get.

So, you are claiming that global warming has caused a sea level rise along the Massachusetts coast of .3 meters in the last 20 years? That's 0.98 feet.  About a foot? (11.8 inches)

Well, why then, my friend, did you claim it has risen 2 feet in post 42?

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You know those friends you told me about? If it rises much more than the 2 feet it's risen since I got here, your friends will have waterfront property and you can roll up your fucking pants legs and dig clams on Route 95 when you come to visit.

So, which is it? Two feet or 0.98 of a foot?

Or do you wish to admit that you engaged in a bit of hyperbole for dramatic effect?

And then tried to go all postal on me for pointing it out?

Really done this time. 

Firm


We are talking rising sea levels but in a few inches if not less. If the Atlantic is up anything like a foot even less...Miami would about gone.

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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 5:42:18 PM   
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We are talking rising sea levels but in a few inches if not less.  If the Atlantic is up anything like a foot even less...Miami would about gone.

According to the NOAA site that HillWilliam linked to earlier in the thread, the 0.98 foot rise in sea level along the Massachusetts coast is for the last century, (100 years, not 20 years) which is another point about Stern's exaggeration that I didn't point out. 

But now I have.

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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 5:51:58 PM   
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Could you hold that target a little higher and to the right,Firm?





It`s "possible",that I "might" miss it.<locks and loads>


Just for you, Owner ... 



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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 7:26:37 PM   
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That just ain't right, Firm. You're supposed to put it in her mouth.

K.

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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 7:45:39 PM   
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So, you are claiming that global warming has caused a sea level rise along the Massachusetts coast of .3 meters in the last 20 years? That's 0.98 feet. About a foot? (11.8 inches)
Well, why then, my friend, did you claim it has risen 2 feet in post 42?


You done good in voc school I'm glad you learned some grade school math... No, I said and I qualified the actual time that I have observed a change in an earlier post as 15 years in my previous post. NOAA, if you'll please PAY ATTENTION provided .3 meters number in their own study. Remember how jacked off you got when you thought you could capatalize of the distinction of my observations being ANECDOTAL?
    And NOAA, not I framed their data in a 20 year sample. Not being an employee of NOAA, I can only vouch for my observations which are by your own insistence anecdotal. So the difference of a  The one thing I will say is that they  come directly from a concern for a change in the natural world around me and probably better than average time spent studying via reference materials and speaking to a cadre of people who have considerable expertise regarding the matter.
   I'd be willing to admit I get very passionate about the topic of how it is shaking out here locally as long as you can admit you engaged deliberate subterfuge with all your nonsense about anyone raising a political argument anywhere in this thread
Some 'smoking gun' ya got there albeit worthless.
Now we're done


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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 7:53:39 PM   
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That just ain't right, Firm. You're supposed to put it in her mouth.

Did you check out the link at the bottom of the photo, K?

Or were you too distracted? 

Here ... this is a better one ...

Enjoy.

Firm


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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 8:01:52 PM   
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So, you are claiming that global warming has caused a sea level rise along the Massachusetts coast of .3 meters in the last 20 years? That's 0.98 feet. About a foot? (11.8 inches)
Well, why then, my friend, did you claim it has risen 2 feet in post 42?


You done good in voc school I'm glad you learned some grade school math... No, I said and I qualified the actual time that I have observed a change in an earlier post as 15 years in my previous post. NOAA, if you'll please PAY ATTENTION provided .3 meters number in their own study. Remember how jacked off you got when you thought you could capatalize of the distinction of my observations being ANECDOTAL?
    And NOAA, not I framed their data in a 20 year sample. Not being an employee of NOAA, I can only vouch for my observations which are by your own insistence anecdotal. So the difference of a  The one thing I will say is that they  come directly from a concern for a change in the natural world around me and probably better than average time spent studying via reference materials and speaking to a cadre of people who have considerable expertise regarding the matter.
   I'd be willing to admit I get very passionate about the topic of how it is shaking out here locally as long as you can admit you engaged deliberate subterfuge with all your nonsense about anyone raising a political argument anywhere in this thread
Some 'smoking gun' ya got there albeit worthless.
Now we're done



My vessels navigate the Massachusetts coast on a regular basis and I can tell you unequivocally that we have not been able to carry anything near to a foot more draft into any channel/port at high or low water, anywhere we have run to in MA in the last 20 years. Any increase in allowable draft we've seen was due to dredging and there has not been a lot of that.

As for NOAA data, does it not also consider gauges taken during stormy conditions where the many bays/inlets in MA would see an increase in water depth/loss of shoreside freeboard, due to strong NE, SE or easterly surges from coastal lows, which can at times raise coastal water levels a foot or more?

MC

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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 8:35:51 PM   
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I think global warming and cooling has been happening all along.  Not since the beginning of life on earth, but since the earth has been here.  I used to think man "may be" contrubuting to it, but I've since come to believe, since it has been happening all along, if man makes any impact on global warming or cooling its minimal, if at all. 

The world has been warming and cooling all along. The difference now is that we are adding millions of tons of carbon to the atmosphere unaturally. Rather than religion as science, it is a fact that mankind is causing the addition. It is not carbon 12, 13 or certainly 14...so where does it come from ? It comes from vaporizing fossil fuels...period.

Just wait though, maybe our grandchildren will come up with some useful hints on how to breath and grow things after mankind burns the remaining estimated 150 million tons of oil in addition to coal etc.



Our grandchildren will be so buried in taxes to pay off the debt current President Empty Suit has created, that I doubt they will care.

The "remaining" 150 million tons of oil?....You must have mis-spoken on that.

Well, let's see...according to the MMS, the OCS has estimated technically recoverable reserves of about an "average" of 85 BILLION barrels. USGS says that onshore, the estimated technically recoverable reserves are about 48.5 BILLION barrels. Let's see.....that is 133.5 BILLION barrels. .....(these are 42 gallon barrels, the conversion factor for a barrel) . Given that crude oil can vary in specific gravity, let's use a light value of 0.85 and that will give us a weight per gallon of about 7.08#/gallon, or 297.36#/bbl, or 6.726bbl/short ton. So....(stay with me here...)...if there is only 150 million tons left in the world (or did you mean the US?)....that means there would only be 1,008,900,000 barrels left....which is less than 1% of what is known to be available in the US alone (not counting shale oil by the way...). 150 BILLION tons of known US reserves is closer to the reality, so I assume you typed the wrong number in there.

MC

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RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought - 7/6/2011 8:49:13 PM   
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My vessels navigate the Massachusetts coast on a regular basis and I can tell you unequivocally that we have not been able to carry anything near to a foot more draft into any channel/port at high or low water, anywhere we have run to in MA in the last 20 years. Any increase in allowable draft we've seen was due to dredging and there has not been a lot of that.

As for NOAA data, does it not also consider gauges taken during stormy conditions where the many bays/inlets in MA would see an increase in water depth/loss of shoreside freeboard, due to strong NE, SE or easterly surges from coastal lows, which can at times raise coastal water levels a foot or more?


Done beating gums over this one because you can't account for disappeared properties and marks made at high tide after 3 or four days of flat seas, which is the only time we mark.
  So, out of curiosity. What segment of the maritime business are you in? I have always kicked my ass for leaving the trade in 81 after a faults hazards survey of George's bank wrapped up. My family pressured me to come ashore and pursue a 'safer' career. Based on the pace I was keeping, I'd have had my Master's for about 25 years by now if I had stayed at sea.
  My time on the water since has been on my own vessels and I swap off at the helm of a 38 foot tuna boat later in the summer and September with a college buddy who left the computer biz and has returned to full time fishing.


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