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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:09:34 PM   
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Yes, because love excuses stupidity. 


Tell me, what religion is "smart"?

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:09:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know, Julia made a fair point...I mean yeah I think astrology is ridiculous but I also think it's far fetched that if I believe hard enough, a Jewish zombie from 2000 years ago is going to prevent his divine father from torturing some abstract, intangible "soul" of mine for all eternity because I ate cheeseburgers and had sex before I got married.

I'm not trashing people who choose to believe in Christianity, just as someone who wasn't raised in that religion, it almost seems even more far fetched than thinking the arrangement of other planets can influence things on this planet.

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:12:48 PM   
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Yes, because love excuses stupidity. 


Tell me, what religion is "smart"?


In my opinion none.

But you knew that.

And you also know that astrology is not a religion.

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:13:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not trashing anyone either, I just think that it is pretty hypocritical to attack one person for believing in the supernatural, and not another person who believes in the supernatural.

I do not see the difference between praying quietly, going to church for spiritual guidance, living your life according to religious guidance... and asking an astrologer to map a chart for you

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:14:46 PM   
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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:16:37 PM   
juliaoceania


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Yes, because love excuses stupidity. 


Tell me, what religion is "smart"?


In my opinion none.

But you knew that.

And you also know that astrology is not a religion.



Whatever it is, religion, mystical guidance, misguided belief in cause and effect (magical thinking).... I just don't see why you are coming down on Nancy Reagan and yet Barrack Obama gets a free pass on believing in saviors, etc.

In other words, it is a double standard...neither Nancy Reagan, nor Barrack Obama are really public about their beliefs.


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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:17:18 PM   
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I don't know, Julia made a fair point...I mean yeah I think astrology is ridiculous but I also think it's far fetched that if I believe hard enough, a Jewish zombie from 2000 years ago is going to prevent his divine father from torturing some abstract, intangible "soul" of mine for all eternity because I ate cheeseburgers and had sex before I got married.

I'm not trashing people who choose to believe in Christianity, just as someone who wasn't raised in that religion, it almost seems even more far fetched than thinking the arrangement of other planets can influence things on this planet.


Personally, I'm a big fan of Xenu.

How could Tom Cruise and John Travolta be wrong?

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:22:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I remember a Op/Ed cartoon with an image of what at 1st looked like the Presidential Seal but at 2nd glance was the zodiac chart.

Very funny.

What wasn`t funny was how Nancy and Ron`s chief of staff, would battle.

WTF is the pres`s wife doing meddling in the WH`s business?



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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 7:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh Xenu's the best. Xenu gave Hubbard enough thetan levels so that even while eating a fuck ton of drugs he wasn't, you know, actually doing drugs.

It's like an ironclad defense until the drug laws are overturned.

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 10:00:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I think of Ronald Reagan beside being a B Movie Actor, and then becoming elected the President of the United States for 8 years, I think of this:

I think of good ol Ronnie as a big Union buster and a big proponent of outsourcing.

When I look at the condition the United States is in these days, I think how Ronnie was in the drivers seat leading the charge to break up unions, his trickle down economics policies, his outsourcing legacy, and how good old Ronnie supported apartheid in South Africa.
I can't think of any Black people that liked Ronald Reagan in the 80s.
{Except Clarence Thomas and some other person I can't think of}


I am surprised no one else has connected these dots yet on this thread.

Reagans sustained attack on programs that assist African Americans

Ronald Reagan's war on labor

Debunking the Reagan Myth

Bye Bye Ms American Pie

Ronald Reagan was NOT a friend to the little guy, the poor, the oppressed, the disenfranchised, the middle class or the unions.

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 10:55:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ron Reagan sold the soul of the Republican party to the religious Right and thus began the decline of said party.

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 10:58:49 PM   
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Ron Reagan sold the soul of the Republican party to the religious Right and thus began the decline of said party.


Sounds plausible to me!


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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/5/2011 11:59:59 PM   
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Reagan was a dottering old Man. I think he was a nice guy and I think he regretted becoming Peresident. He was not cut out for the job. If he was involved in getting the Iranians to keep the "hostages" until he was elected, what the fuck, that would mean shit as far as getting him in the chair. But his supporters, the big ones, they knew something, and they made it happen. I think Reagan wanted to do alot of good for this country and I believe the same of Obama, but neither one of them has/had the moxy to do it. The people who really run things are that powerful.

Now Nixon fought "them". So did JFK. Look where that got them. I'd say Obama had a talk with the same "people" and knows now that he can't do what he wanted to do. And I think that has happened to many Presidents. Except a few.

The reason I believe that Nixon was actually one of us is how he got his money for the initial campaign. Look it up. But he got fucked, and I think he was a tough old bird, and damnear didn't fear anything. Look beyond the surface, pretend Watergate never happened and take it objectively. After all they didn't catch him in the building. They could say I did this and I did that, they never found my fingerprints. They also never found his. He was convicted, no actually impeached on hearsay. Witnesses who were all jailed, but the ones who "cooperated" did less time. Liddy was a hero in a way, at least he kept his fucking mouth shut.

But those guys are gone, replaced by oil people, who care for nothing but oil profits. They were not like that. Not like now.

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/6/2011 12:30:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't believe nobody on the other side has replied. I was hoping at least Sanity would, because he's the one who spoke of his "greatness" in the other thread.

I honestly did not intend this to be a just bash Reagan thread but it is kind of interesting how so many people are quick to point out the negative things his administration did, and we've only gotten one positive thing - beginning disarmament talks.

How does he get such high approval ratings?

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/6/2011 2:22:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reagan did fuck up, but I can imagine the pressure that can be exerted by the big money, even on the President.

If I were President, I would have my own bodyguards between me and the SS. What's more I would never have any medical care. Fancy that. And I would NEVER go out in public. You all might hate me for a year or two, but after that, shit would be fixed bigtime. I'd tax these motherfuckers who outsource our jobs so fucking bad that they would BEG to reestblish factories in this country. No fucking tax breaks, not now. Back then we could have had a deal, but now FUCK YOU. And FUCK YOU, because this is still the biggest and stupidest market on the fucking planet. This is something of value. They just don't know how to exploit it to the advantage of the people. I DO.

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/6/2011 4:42:52 AM   
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One thing I will give him full credit for is starting meaningful talks on reducing nuclear weapons.


I can't quite remember, was that before or after the failure of the Star Wars project ?


Before.
A continuation of Carter's moves in that direction, before he got distracted by three twats in propeller beanies...

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/6/2011 8:48:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reagan told conservatives what they wanted to hear, and it didn't make any difference whether it was true or not. As long as it fits their way of looking at the world, they'll grab onto it, because it enables them to keep believing what they want to believe. 

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/6/2011 8:59:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Conservative revisionist propaganda which has made him into the illegitimate child of Jesus Christ and Ayn Rand. His actual presidency was such a clusterfuck it defies logical explanation, other than the Alzheimer's thing. Personally, I celebrate the anniversary of the man's death, since he was such an horrifically negative influence on American politics and discourse.

Seriously, what more needs to be said. Other than the S&L crisis which was the prototype for the housing bubble, 2008 meltdown and TARP, and the Iran-Contra affair, there was the invasion of Grenada, dealing under the table with Noriega, support for Augusto Pinochet, support for the Mujahideen, direct attempts to topple the FSLN (which was a legitimate government, even if we didn't like them), gutting mental health services as governor of California at a time Vietnam vets were coming home then extending that to the entire U.S. in the 80s, axing taxes (to the wealthiest few, otherwise you got constant tax increases) then raising defense spending to ludicrous levels which led to tripling the deficit, SDI (star wars), supported Apartheid, and ultimately doing nothing which could be construed by any sane person as "winning" the cold war.

That's the broad swathes, without getting into details such as supporting South American drug activity while fighting the "war on drugs" in the states, gutting U.S. energy policy in favor of oil companies leading to the clusterfuck we have today, trying to roll the clock back on environmental legislation by at least twenty years if not prior to TR's day, consolidation of legislative and executive power under executive administrations then very quickly allowing regulatory capture, gutting unions at home while deploying broad, pro-union rhetoric abroad as a tool against the Warsaw Pact...

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/6/2011 1:46:58 PM   
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Reagan told conservatives what they wanted to hear, and it didn't make any difference whether it was true or not. As long as it fits their way of looking at the world, they'll grab onto it, because it enables them to keep believing what they want to believe. 

Which is that everything is "just that simple."

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RE: Ronald Reagan - 7/6/2011 2:03:07 PM   
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Reagan told conservatives what they wanted to hear, and it didn't make any difference whether it was true or not. As long as it fits their way of looking at the world, they'll grab onto it, because it enables them to keep believing what they want to believe.


I always refer to him as "Saint Ronnie" - which seems to drive American conservatives crazy. It makes them want to this.

Another thing about "Saint Ronnie" - during the anti-commie hysteria of the 1950's (AKA the McCarthy Era) he accused actors at Warner Brothers of being "Communists/Communist Sympathizers" because, being better actors, they had gotten roles he wanted and thought he should have gotten.

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