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Should the US have a VAT tax?

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Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 6:33:56 AM

pahunkboy

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax

I heard that after the election a VAT is planned for the US. This will be in addition to existing taxes.

If you support a VAT, under what guidelines?

I am also interested in hearing from people who live where there is such a VAT tax, and what your thoughts are on it.

[Poll is politics being that we are 30 days to default...]

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 7:43:56 AM

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I have long favored a VAT tax. If it's in exchange for cutting other taxes, I'm fine with that too.

It solves a number of problems, including tax lost on illegal sales, and "levels the playing field" across the economy.

It's regressive, but it also taxes based on purchases, and spreads the "burden" to those with money to spend.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 7:54:15 AM

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It`s been a gimmick so far as it`s been presented.The numbers never add up.

Fuzzy math that in the end allows rich people to pay less and the rest of us to pay more.

Usually described in panacea like terms with gobs of money appiaring out of no-where to pay our bills,so far has been bogus.

Politics is ruining religion,science and definitions a lot lately.

THANK GOODNESS politics can`t ruin cold hard math.

Math in the reality check,where the rubber meets the road,where there is no bull shit.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 7:54:32 AM

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Would it apply to the paper-only products "manufactured" by the financial sector, or only on tangible goods manufactured by actual product manufacturers (TVs, software, sneakers, houses, etc)?

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:03:51 AM

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ARE YOU CRAZY?
Geeze, who would ever want more taxes? Its just another money grab, tax & waste, tax more & waste more.

ANYTHING that a country, state, county or city charges is a tax, no matter what kind of a name or friggin acroynm they give it..

Do you know how much it costs just to get a building permit in SoCal? All the extra taxes, fees, etc? It adds at least $20,000 to I have heard as much as 100,000 to the cost of each house. In some cities here they want an additional $15,000 for allowing you to put solar on your house... nice way to promote alternative energy, huh?

I come from the land of GST, which is much the same as VAT and so, no, friggin way.. however, that is not my decision, it is my opinion tho.

Ok.. I am going to go and attempt to cool off now...

grrrrrrr...

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:13:56 AM

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I voted yes because I think we should just give all of our money, each week, to the government. That way we won't have to worry about not having enough to eat or a place to sleep or roads to travel on. They'll take care of everything and we'll be like worker drones feeding that fat bitch that is our queen.

Just imagine it.

You have to be one stupid motherfucker to want to impose a another tax on an already broke ass American economy in which the only ones who are really paying fucking taxes are the small business owners and the FUCKING POOR.

All of you little braniac, government minded tweedly dicks can pay ALL you want..I like to keep the money I make.

Ask those fuckers to clean up their act first before asking us to give more. Shove those tax ideas up your ass.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:25:44 AM

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It`s not about the people vs the gubment.

That just dumb,silly dogma.

Those bills,which by hook or by crook(lol) must be payed.No less than you would want to be repaid for borrowed money or a service/product you rendered.

Those bills are there because we spent the money.We elected(literally)to take on those bills.Blaming the "government" for this is like blaming the government for traffic jams.Meaningless intellectual masturbating.

Silliness and insincerity are part of what got us here.

Your post is more of that.

It`s funny about how math meets money.When it does,there is no fuzzy math.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:29:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys

I voted yes because I think we should just give all of our money, each week, to the government. That way we won't have to worry about not having enough to eat or a place to sleep or roads to travel on. They'll take care of everything and we'll be like worker drones feeding that fat bitch that is our queen.

Just imagine it.

You have to be one stupid motherfucker to want to impose a another tax on an already broke ass American economy in which the only ones who are really paying fucking taxes are the small business owners and the FUCKING POOR.

All of you little braniac, government minded tweedly dicks can pay ALL you want..I like to keep the money I make.

Ask those fuckers to clean up their act first before asking us to give more. Shove those tax ideas up your ass.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:34:33 AM

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quote:

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It`s not about the people vs the gubment.

That just dumb,silly dogma.

Those bills,which by hook or by crook(lol) must be payed.No less than you would want to be repaid for borrowed money or a service/product you rendered.

Those bills are there because we spent the money.We elected(literally)to take on those bills.Blaming the "government" for this is like blaming the government for traffic jams.Meaningless intellectual masturbating.

Silliness and insincerity are part of what got us here.

Your post is more of that.

It`s funny about how math meets money.When it does,there is no fuzzy math.

and somehow another tax is going to solve the problem when the same people are in control in government???

I think the definition of insanity fits..
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:38:36 AM

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quote:

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It`s not about the people vs the gubment.

That just dumb,silly dogma.

Those bills,which by hook or by crook(lol) must be payed.No less than you would want to be repaid for borrowed money or a service/product you rendered.

Those bills are there because we spent the money.We elected(literally)to take on those bills.Blaming the "government" for this is like blaming the government for traffic jams.Meaningless intellectual masturbating.

Silliness and insincerity are part of what got us here.

Your post is more of that.

It`s funny about how math meets money.When it does,there is no fuzzy math.

really?

try and change it

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:45:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

It`s not about the people vs the gubment.

That just dumb,silly dogma.

Blaming the "government" for this is like blaming the government for traffic jams.Meaningless intellectual masturbating.

Silliness and insincerity are part of what got us here.

I agree with this to an extent.

The government is only an instrument by which the class of people who buy it and own it control the rest of us. Government is not the enemy. Its not the irresponsible checkbook owner either. Its only doing what it has been programmed to do by those with the "real money".

That's the truth, but it seems we cannot speak the truth without someone else claiming its about class envy or some such bullshit. That gets old fast.

The soverigns are just dancing around their protest campfire like a bunch of drunken injuns, blaming the government for the financial and human rights con job that the upper class is pulling. Talk about being outta touch.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:51:43 AM

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Well we`ll see.The bell will soon toll and nothing may happen or another down-turn as MOST folks think will happen.A default will ONLY exacerbate the present problems.

Fixing this is not impossible.

When Clinton took over,our credit rating was low b/c of the debt Reagen/Bush Sr. ran up.He raised taxes slightly on the rich and signed balanced budgets.This was a good faith effort and our creditors felt better and our credit score went up for it.

The bad faith fuzzy-math-funny-money antics going on now aren`t helping and our creditors don`t give a fuck about our local politics or about how or why we defaulted.They are just going to look at the money and count.Period.

I was ammused before someone mentioned "that is wasn`t that easy" or something like that.

lol

Well,the cons are large and in charge and will own whatever happens.

The president isn`t blinking and America is with him.Most Americans want the special bush tax breaks gone.

To tj444,

It`s not about new taxes.These aren`t new.It`s the end of a tax break.It`s the end of special treatment/rights for a select few.They should pay their fair share like the rest of us do.No more special rights for a select few is a conservative mantra.We should apply that to taxes.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:21:14 AM

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quote:

The government is only an instrument by which the class of people who buy it and own it control the rest of us. Government is not the enemy. Its not the irresponsible checkbook owner either. Its only doing what it has been programmed to do by those with the "real money".

So the elected officials that are in "power" are listening to the ones with the "real money" shouldn't be held responsible. Sure bud, it's not their fault..They have no power to say no to the money. Gotcha.

Buying government off is business as usual..That's one of the problems.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:37:49 AM

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But accepting the political payola is the fault of the individual in the position of power, not the fault of the institution known as government. There is a difference.

When government tried to limit the legislative influence of people with money, the people with money got that changed/overturned via SCOTUS.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:39:52 AM

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So the elected officials that are in "power" are listening to the ones with the "real money" shouldn't be held responsible. Sure bud, it's not their fault..They have no power to say no to the money. Gotcha.

Buying government off is business as usual..That's one of the problems.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:41:11 AM

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quote:

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It`s not about new taxes.These aren`t new.It`s the end of a tax break.It`s the end of special treatment/rights for a select few.They should pay their fair share like the rest of us do.No more special rights for a select few is a conservative mantra.We should apply that to taxes.

None of the source of tax or even how much tax that actually matters, its what they do with the $ that does. They keep wasting $$$, and giving favors to their buddies, and wasting even more $$$, that is what has to change. Adding another tax just gives them more $$$ to waste and its not gonna change a dam thing as long as those people are in control of the $. Again, its insanity...

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:47:20 AM

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It`s been a gimmick so far as it`s been presented.The numbers never add up.

Fuzzy math that in the end allows rich people to pay less and the rest of us to pay more.

What "fuzzy math"? Where?

It's a tax on value-added production. That production doesn't know who's going to buy the products.

If there's an argument for your point, please share it. As presented, it's nonsense.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:48:47 AM

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Would it apply to the paper-only products "manufactured" by the financial sector, or only on tangible goods manufactured by actual product manufacturers (TVs, software, sneakers, houses, etc)?

Tangible goods.

The financial instruments you're alluding to transfer value, not add it.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:50:30 AM

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have a VAT only if you want high unemployment like Europe. If you want Europe, gee, move there. NOT in the USA. All of this is academic, because there will be big changes after the 2012 elections.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:53:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

Would it apply to the paper-only products "manufactured" by the financial sector, or only on tangible goods manufactured by actual product manufacturers (TVs, software, sneakers, houses, etc)?

Tangible goods.

The financial instruments you're alluding to transfer value, not add it.

That makes it even worse.

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