joether
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You know lockedaway. As I was answering these questions, I kept staring in amazement at just how badly you hate this nation. Your ungrateful to be American. Your ungrateful to our Armed Forces. Your ungrateful to your fellow American. You keep spewing material that has previously been shown as false and/or wrong. And if someone rebuttles your material, you lash out like an eight year old child. If you really hate your fellow Americans this much, nor cant stand the taxes, and want to do what ever you want in life. Than do us all a favor....
...Move to the southern half of Somalia. But before you do, renounce your citizenship as an American. Why should we waste precious US Marines trying to save someone that hates the USA?
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I will tell you how it works. Paying workers $35.00 per hour to shovel asphalt is insane. Are we receiving what we are being taxed for?
Well, how about you gather some of your conservative friends who agree with you. That paying someone to shovel asphalt for $35/hour is excessive. And offer to do it for $7.25/hour without any benefits. In fact, once you hit the forty hours, offer to put in ANOTHER twenty hours at the same pay level. Unless you can document exactly this for real, your full of it. In addition, if you had two jobs that 'shovelled asphalt', one paying $7.25 and one $35/hour; which would you take? Obviously the $7.25/hour because you want to 'save on taxes', right? Until you put your 'money where your mouth is' your full of crap on this issue.
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We are also being taxed to support an illegal population that is larger than the total population of some countries, is that fair?
Funny, haven't you been informed previously (on a number of occasions I might add) that there is no 'illegal immigrant discount' for those illegal immigrants? They pay the same taxes on tobacco, beer, food, cloths, etc, as the rest of us. They have to pay those tolls on the highway like the rest of us. They even pay a number of taxes you would not believe that they pay: like voluntarily giving to the IRS as if they were a legal resident. The IRS does have a process for ths very concept.
A New Mexico University report published about two years ago, found the amount of money paid for 'illegal immigrants' was lower than that given in taxes by the same population. They didnt go to ER's as often as conservatives claimed (an conservatives claim a lot of crap without evidence), because they were afraid of being arrested and deported.
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We are also being taxed for incursions into countries where we do not have a vital national interest at stake. Is that fair?
I have not heard this myself. Could you please provide some reliable sources of information that explain this indepth?
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We are also being taxed to provide HUD housing, food stamps, utility credits, free bus passes and more for a population in this country that does not work, not even donning uniforms and picking up trash. Is that fair?
Yes, I know this will come as a HUGE surprise to your tiny little brain: not all Americans are built like Superman and Wonder Woman. There are many folks on REALLY hard times. From circumstances due to one's age, illness, or physical limitation (kids get cancer too). There is a large percentage of Americans in the 'unemployed/under-employed' category' facing a number of problems associated with money (debts, credit ratings, cash inflow, etc). Some folks, due to life choices, accidents, or bad people doing evil things to then, are in desperate situation. I know this must come as a shock to you, being male; but women who are brutally beaten by their husbands flee only to find their situation is now even more dire.
Did I mention those men and women leaving our Armed Forces for civilian life for tens of thousands of individual reasons, and being swallowed up by similar circumstances just like their civilian counterparts?
The ones abusing the system are a tiny minority of population using many of these state and federal programs. Perhaps you could donate some of your time to a food panty, soup kitchen, homeless shelter, or battered womens shelter, and get some REAL perspective on the kinds of folks using these programs. Look them in the eye, talk to them like a human (that will be a struggle for you....deal with it), and find out 'how did they get to that place in life?'.
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We pay lifetime pensions for people that worked 25 years. Is that fair?
So to all our military men and women, who have 'served on the line', defending this nation from all threats foreign and domestic to this great nation, should NOT, be given a good pension for their later and senior years? That's your arguement. Unlike you, I have no problem paying for something like this. There are a few posters on this very forum, that fall into this situation. I'm sure the conservative leaning ones, would be all to happy to cut down on their pension, for their life of service.....just to please you.
Likewise, we have many Americans that served in public office in numerous situations and settings. These folk had to put up with a lot of crap from their fellow Americans while working, and couldn't 'lash out' in defense on several occasions. These are people who served in law enforcement, fire protection, medical services, sanitation, and hundreds of other departments.
Last I checked, these pensions were issued at the time of employment or later on due to circumstances. In much regard, they are handled much in the same way as private sector jobs. An I dont see you ranting and raving about those 'evil, corporate' pensions given to those 'evil, capitalistic' employees, do I?
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We pay taxes in a myriad of different ways. You libs can call for all of the taxation you like but it isn't going to slow down the debt clock that was posted in this thread. In my little city alone, there are 60 positions that receive full salaries that could be eliminated. But that won't happen. Nope...we will all continue to pay taxes to support the fraud, the corruption, the nepotism and to indemnify failure just like we have been doing since FDR was president. The only difference now is that we ALL know that the United States is on the brink of financial ruin.
Actually, the removal of the Bush era tax cuts, would generate about $900 Billion, while an additional 2% on the next three income tax tiers would generate about $300 Billion. With some spending cuts ($200-300 Billion), that drops the US Budget to 'balanced'. We get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and elect more Democrats instead of the useless crop of Republicans we have now. Yeah, we do all that, and there will be a budget surplus (kind of like that last 'tax & spend Democratic President'). We apply that surplus towards the US Debt, and maintain a hard limit on spending increases for a decade. Even if its $400 Billion/year, that's $4 Trillion at the end of 10 years, on top of the current amount being paid towards the principle (in effect, reducing the debt quicker than the Republican plans).
I'm not saying this will be easy to bear, nor to execute. But if we have more mature, intelligent and wise elected officals in public office (whether they be Democrat, Independent, or Republican), the more likely this reality will take place.
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