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HannahLynHeather -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/12/2011 11:43:43 PM)
quote: If they wanted it done differently then they should have done it themselves. that's a fucking stupid thing to say. you guys were going to go do it no matter what, so why the fuck shouldn't the rest of the world let you do the dirty work, it's not like we could have stopped you. don't fucking blame us because your government took you down a blind ally, that's not our fucking doing.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/12/2011 11:46:46 PM)
quote: yet we are doing the majority of fighting for others. the us isn't fighting for anybody but its own fucking self, don't be a twat, the us has never fought for anybody but the us.

Moonhead -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 5:04:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub You have to prove that my friend...The people of the US believed we had reason to be there and in WMD's. Nope. The WMD thing was believed to be ridiculous crap from the off. The CIA found the notion that Hussein was still packing so absurd they had to fake some evidence for that (as did MI5 under order's from the chimp's poodle.) quote: Myself I've said over and over from the beginning .... it was a mistake to invade Iraq but they were hardly innocent. (No evidence of any connection between al queda and Hussein has ever been found. This was (as FQ has pointed out) exploiting a terrorist attack by a few private citizens into an excuse to invade a country that had nothing to do with it. Hence my comment on your observation that the al queda vermin were fair game who needed to be exterminated for using similar excuses. That's a pretty similar argument to the one they used to justify knocking over a couple of ugly buildings in New York in the first place, after all. quote: But back to the reason for the post....rightly or wrongly there will be no prosecution of Bush...even thought I believe there should be. That much we can agree on, sadly.

Anaxagoras -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 9:13:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That is crap...a good portion of those killed in the trade center were European nationals...Terrorism has not been an exclusive American problem yet we are doing the majority of fighting for others. Butch And a majority of funding terrorists since the end of WWII as well, though I understand it's not tactful to mention that since the mujahadeen found themselves at a loose end and boracic since the collapse of the soviet union. Lets not forget that many of America's enemies funded terrorists on a grand scale, such as the USSR and alligned states. Besides that the record of the Soviets there was pretty bad with up to two million Afghans killed & many milions displaced.

mnottertail -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 9:14:22 AM)
And Reagan pitched some money and training and arms their way as well.

kdsub -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 9:56:01 AM)
quote: that's a fucking stupid thing to say. you guys were going to go do it no matter what, so why the fuck shouldn't the rest of the world let you do the dirty work, it's not like we could have stopped you. don't fucking blame us because your government took you down a blind ally, that's not our fucking doing. The truth hurts...I'm all for not doing the worlds dirty works and saving your sorry butts...bitch bitch bitch... but too damn chicken assed to help yourselves. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 10:02:06 AM)
quote: Nope. The WMD thing was believed to be ridiculous crap from the off And again Moon how do you know this...show me the proof at the time...not today...we all know what the asshole bush did but you should not condemn a nation for his stupidity. quote: No evidence of any connection between al queda and Hussein has ever been found I'm not talking about al fuck a I'm talking about gasing and massacring his own people and ignoring the UN resolutions that helped bring about his destruction...but please don't think I am defending the Iraqi war I am not...but I am defending the people of the US. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 10:05:32 AM)
quote: the us isn't fighting for anybody but its own fucking self, don't be a twat, the us has never fought for anybody but the us. You seem to be forgetting a few world wars...but oh yea we just fight for ourselves...You are beyond common sense in this discussion so I am done with you. Butch

RacerJim -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 10:12:42 AM)
Anyone who wants Bush II arrested for War Crimes must also want Obama II arrested for Treason.

mnottertail -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 10:18:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: Nope. The WMD thing was believed to be ridiculous crap from the off Major: And again Moon how do you know this...show me the proof at the time...not today...we all know what the asshole bush did but you should not condemn a nation for his stupidity. The DIA and then the CIA at the time said that the intel did not match the administrations interpretation, and that Clintons Desert Fox campaign had pretty much wiped them out insofar as NBC and the werewithal to restart it. This line of argument is horseshit, even Colin Powell said that he was led astray by the Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld crowd, hell, even Armitage was goin no no no, until he became Cheneys felcher. It is all over the place it is roundly documented, if you aint seen it yet, learn to fucking read, become aware of your world, dont come up with that crap for the next hundred years, 'prove to me that hipshooter didnt vet palin.' Sergeant.

kdsub -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 10:37:28 AM)
I agree with you except it is hindsight...as you say even Powell was fooled...It really pissed me off that we attacked a country that had not attacked us directly but I like most Americans were fooled. I was against the war with Iraq at the beginning and thought we should only be fighting in Afghanistan. Not because I did not believe, like most Americans, Iraq was harboring weapons of mass destruction but because the people who attacked us were in Afghanistan. I would love to see America completely withdraw from world politics and only deal with the rest of the world where absolutely necessary to defend our borders. Butch

Moonhead -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 11:56:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I'm not talking about al fuck a I'm talking about gasing and massacring his own people and ignoring the UN resolutions that helped bring about his destruction...but please don't think I am defending the Iraqi war I am not...but I am defending the people of the US. The humanitarian excuse was something that the the Chimp and his handlers fell back on after it was finally proved that the WMD story and the al queda story were utter crap. The initial excuse for the invasion was the two lies. That's why there's all this talk of war crimes, dig? (You know, if we're talking about hindsight, that was the excuse they fell back on when all of the others had been destroyed.)

kdsub -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 12:20:45 PM)
Moon of course I dig...but it is really silly to think the US would prosecute Bush...and even sillier to think Americans would worry about an International condemnation or even a trail in the world court. Talking about who said or did what when may tarnish his legacy but that is all.... Unless some nation becomes powerful enough to force him to trial...do you think that will happen in his life time? Butch

mnottertail -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 12:24:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Anyone who wants Bush II arrested for War Crimes must also want Obama II arrested for Treason. No, that wouldn't make any sense, not that any of your posts have ever ascended to sensibility, before or since.

kdsub -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 12:32:13 PM)
PS... I am not being condescending in saying silly...what I mean is have you even known a powerful nation to give up a former leader to a world trial? It has never happened, especially in a free elective state, and I’ll bet never will. As I said it is not IF he should be prosecuted but WILL he be given up for prosecution...and of course the answer is… It would be political suicide to do so it will not happen and no one should expect it to. Butch

Moonhead -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 12:35:34 PM)
Nah, I get you. There's no way in Hell the oaf's going to get tried, sadly. Shame, but short of Hussein rising from the dead and invading the 'States with an unstoppable army of zombies, it ain't going to happen.

Anaxagoras -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 1:54:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail And Reagan pitched some money and training and arms their way as well. Yeah, the Reagan doctrine although military aid to Afghanistan started with Carter. I don't really see it as the US supporting terrorists as Moonhead suggests though as the mujahideen were mainly warlords who were the only effective force against the Soviet invaders, and only later on did the likes of Bin Laden turn against their former allies.

Moonhead -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 2:06:55 PM)
The mujahadeen were a non uniformed force in conflict with a nation's army (okay, an invading nation's army, but still a national army) and unaffiliated to their country's government. How are they not terrorists? You might as well claim that the provos weren't during the troubles, either.

kdsub -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 3:03:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead The mujahadeen were a non uniformed force in conflict with a nation's army (okay, an invading nation's army, but still a national army) and unaffiliated to their country's government. How are they not terrorists? You might as well claim that the provos weren't during the troubles, either. I think there is a difference... they were fighting for their country against the Soviets when we supported them...but... They started harboring, sanctioning, and exporting terrorism to other countries in support of a warped ideology that had nothing to do with their independence. We supported them for our own purposes yes but we certainly did not use them. Butch

imperatrixx -> RE: Arrest Bush II for War Crimes - Human Rights Watch (7/13/2011 3:35:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Anyone who wants Bush II arrested for War Crimes must also want Obama II arrested for Treason. Not sure about treason, but I definitely want something to come of this: http://www.salon.com/news/united_nations/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2011/07/12/manning

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