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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 5:40:37 AM   
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Who is arguing for two year olds to get a license?
you are making an awful lot of uninformed assumptions.
Psst?
you might have taken up the other parts of my post than focus on the cat, and that was in the UK and more years ago than I care to mention so.. sorry I dont have a "source"
however I did find this
http://www.veryfunnydownloads.com/funnyvideos/BoyGetsGunLicences2182.html
10month old registered by his dad in illinois
funny ?? I dont think so..
now do you have anything else to poke fun at? or are you going to ignore the important parts ??
That you have an issue with me is obvious, get over yourself, I am quite able of debating without being snippy, are you??


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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 5:45:47 AM   
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now do you have anything else to poke fun at? or are you going to ignore the important parts ??
That you have an issue with me is obvious, get over yourself, I am quite able of debating without being snippy, are you??

He went nuclear because I didn't condemn the British Empire enough for his liking on another thread even though I was critical of it, and pretty much claimed there was mass support in Britain for the war on Iraq. It should be clear that he has some sort of issue with the British generally.

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 5:54:00 AM   
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yeah Ive kinda picked up on that myself
but thanks for the confirmation

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 6:23:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Who is arguing for two year olds to get a license?
you are making an awful lot of uninformed assumptions.
Psst?
you might have taken up the other parts of my post than focus on the cat, and that was in the UK and more years ago than I care to mention so.. sorry I dont have a "source"
however I did find this
http://www.veryfunnydownloads.com/funnyvideos/BoyGetsGunLicences2182.html
10month old registered by his dad in illinois
funny ?? I dont think so..
now do you have anything else to poke fun at? or are you going to ignore the important parts ??
That you have an issue with me is obvious, get over yourself, I am quite able of debating without being snippy, are you??



So the cat got a gun licesne in the UK years ago, and now they are licensing children down to two years old to own and use shotguns., and convicted felons to own and used silenced weapons.

And you complain because I said the UK has no room to talk about who their government allows to own firearms.

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 6:28:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
now do you have anything else to poke fun at? or are you going to ignore the important parts ??
That you have an issue with me is obvious, get over yourself, I am quite able of debating without being snippy, are you??

He went nuclear because I didn't condemn the British Empire enough for his liking on another thread even though I was critical of it, and pretty much claimed there was mass support in Britain for the war on Iraq. It should be clear that he has some sort of issue with the British generally.


Oh so you want to jack this to discussing the Izzies and the Palestine Mandate?  Funny even the Britsh posters were saying you were wrong in that  one, not that the British role in Palestine was a flattering one.

But why not start another thread on it if you were not happy with the beating you got -

Oh and if you have something to say in the Bush II war crimes thread say it there like a good little boy. Or are you just wandering around begging for some attention again?


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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 6:33:47 AM   
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carry on making dumbarse assumptions
Oh...and dont put words in my mouth, I never mentioned a two year old using a shotgun, puhleeze use a little bit of common sense if you have any.
try answering the questions and the points I have sourced. not obfuscating with what you think is important. If its not on the internets it didnt happen ...is that what you are saying? so? just disregard it, and move on, use those big boy tidy whities build a bridge etcetera,etcetera etcetera, I could not give a rats arse.
I just gave you a link with a firearms licensed to a 10 month old in the US? and allowed ammunition..why did you ignore that?
I didnt complain, I agreed it was wrong and it needs to be amended...
Please show me where I said otherwise?
tell you what, dont bother, you have zero credibility right now...play nice now... and runalong


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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 6:41:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
now do you have anything else to poke fun at? or are you going to ignore the important parts ??
That you have an issue with me is obvious, get over yourself, I am quite able of debating without being snippy, are you??

He went nuclear because I didn't condemn the British Empire enough for his liking on another thread even though I was critical of it, and pretty much claimed there was mass support in Britain for the war on Iraq. It should be clear that he has some sort of issue with the British generally.

Oh so you want to jack this to discussing the Izzies and the Palestine Mandate? CFSC Funny even the Britsh posters were saying you were wrong in that  one, not that the British role in Palestine was a flattering one.

Where did I say I wanted to disrupt the thread? Not in the slightest. I have no interest in discussing that topic now. I was merely commenting on the fact that you portray the British in a surprisingly negative light, even stating obvious bullshit like saying the British had mass support for the war on Iraq which is nutty. With regard to "British posters" agreeing with you, Politesub was in fact the only one who disagreed and it was on one single point of fact re. the establishment of a Jewish security force after the 1936 Arab riots.

It sounds like English is a second language, when you use words like "mythos" and especially "paladin" it seems you are French or French Canadian. Considering the sectarian tensions in parts of Canada it wouldn't surprise me if you were the latter. Odd that you hide your profile BTW.

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But why not start another thread on it if you were not happy with the beating you got -

Well thats funny. I won that argument consistently. You were asserting the British were principally on the side of the Jews and had sold the Arabs out. You made factually incorrect assertions like the claim the British supplied Israel with weaponry just as or soon after the mandate ended. Even though I was critical of the British Empire's work there from the start, you consistently pretended I supported them despite very frequent objections. It seems the extremism of your views indicate that you have issues about the British.

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:00:48 AM   
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carry on making dumbarse assumptions
Oh...and dont put words in my mouth, I never mentioned a two year old using a shotgun, puhleeze use a little bit of common sense if you have any.
try answering the questions and the points I have sourced. not obfuscating with what you think is important. If its not on the internets it didnt happen ...is that what you are saying? so? just disregard it, and move on, use those big boy tidy whities build a bridge etcetera,etcetera etcetera, I could not give a rats arse.
I just gave you a link with a firearms licensed to a 10 month old in the US? and allowed ammunition..why did you ignore that?
I didnt complain, I agreed it was wrong and it needs to be amended...
Please show me where I said otherwise?
tell you what, dont bother, you have zero credibility right now...play nice now... and runalong



So you don't like children with guns but decided to help the Brits out by jumping on me when I suggested they take a look at who they let have firearms in Blighty before they did any finger pointing.

Let me guess, you don't know what you are trying to say at this point, as we have discussed Kalashnikitty and now moved to discussing what a mature intelligent poster you really are.



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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:05:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
carry on making dumbarse assumptions
Oh...and dont put words in my mouth, I never mentioned a two year old using a shotgun, puhleeze use a little bit of common sense if you have any.
try answering the questions and the points I have sourced. not obfuscating with what you think is important. If its not on the internets it didnt happen ...is that what you are saying? so? just disregard it, and move on, use those big boy tidy whities build a bridge etcetera,etcetera etcetera, I could not give a rats arse.
I just gave you a link with a firearms licensed to a 10 month old in the US? and allowed ammunition..why did you ignore that?
I didnt complain, I agreed it was wrong and it needs to be amended...
Please show me where I said otherwise?
tell you what, dont bother, you have zero credibility right now...play nice now... and runalong

So you don't like children with guns but decided to help the Brits out by jumping on me when I suggested they take a look at who they let have firearms in Blighty before they did any finger pointing.

Let me guess, you don't know what you are trying to say at this point, as we have discussed Kalashnikitty and now moved to discussing what a mature intelligent poster you really are.

Er... pot, kettle. BTW you also said in Post 152: "So you defend handing gun licenses to children and felons, and the IRA there in Blighty but think firearms should be banned in North America?" so I would like to see some proof of the ridiculous assertion that the British are actually allowing members of the IRA to own weapons.

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:11:19 AM   
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you have constantly ignored what I have posted, this is NOT me failing honeychile its yourself.
I didnt JUMP on you, if you would like to see me jump, keep practising, because you havent got a smidgeon of the talent to do that.
I dont like guns full stop... I dont like two year olds being given licenses, Ive said it in three posts...maybe more, the law needs to be amended, you havent responsed to anything more than a throwback memory ....now the question is, can you respond intelligently enough to respond to ANYTHING else I sourced??
I know exactly what Im trying to say ... pity you havent got the comprehension skills to respond truthfully.


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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:28:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
carry on making dumbarse assumptions
Oh...and dont put words in my mouth, I never mentioned a two year old using a shotgun, puhleeze use a little bit of common sense if you have any.
try answering the questions and the points I have sourced. not obfuscating with what you think is important. If its not on the internets it didnt happen ...is that what you are saying? so? just disregard it, and move on, use those big boy tidy whities build a bridge etcetera,etcetera etcetera, I could not give a rats arse.
I just gave you a link with a firearms licensed to a 10 month old in the US? and allowed ammunition..why did you ignore that?
I didnt complain, I agreed it was wrong and it needs to be amended...
Please show me where I said otherwise?
tell you what, dont bother, you have zero credibility right now...play nice now... and runalong

So you don't like children with guns but decided to help the Brits out by jumping on me when I suggested they take a look at who they let have firearms in Blighty before they did any finger pointing.

Let me guess, you don't know what you are trying to say at this point, as we have discussed Kalashnikitty and now moved to discussing what a mature intelligent poster you really are.

Er... pot, kettle. BTW you also said "So you defend handing gun licenses to children and felons, and the IRA there in Blighty but think firearms should be banned in North America?" so I would like to see some proof of the ridiculous assertion that the British are actually allowing members of the IRA to own weapons?

Better take a look at some of the names of those with PPW's in NI. Sinn Fein's security staff especially. The British cops detailed to train them did their share of whinigng online a few years ago about it.

But yes, there at least 1100  licensed civilian pistol carriers in NI. And about 90,000 licensed civilian gun owners. So wo do you think gets these PPW  permits? The Britsh police require you hae a clear and present danger of being attacked to be issued one and a weapon. Either a rabid loyalist or an ex-IRA is on the list..



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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:35:26 AM   
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you have constantly ignored what I have posted, this is NOT me failing honeychile its yourself.
I didnt JUMP on you, if you would like to see me jump, keep practising, because you havent got a smidgeon of the talent to do that.
I dont like guns full stop... I dont like two year olds being given licenses, Ive said it in three posts...maybe more, the law needs to be amended, you havent responsed to anything more than a throwback memory ....now the question is, can you respond intelligently enough to respond to ANYTHING else I sourced??
I know exactly what Im trying to say ... pity you havent got the comprehension skills to respond truthfully.


Well when you calm down, I suppose.

But if you hate firarms that much you should  immigrate out of North America. they are here to stay in both Canada and the United States. Don't head south, besides Cuba, Mexico has the toughest gun laws in the rest of the hemisphere.

I would try Singapore or China myself if I were you. The UK is obviously off your short list, as is the rest of the EU.

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:42:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
carry on making dumbarse assumptions
Oh...and dont put words in my mouth, I never mentioned a two year old using a shotgun, puhleeze use a little bit of common sense if you have any.
try answering the questions and the points I have sourced. not obfuscating with what you think is important. If its not on the internets it didnt happen ...is that what you are saying? so? just disregard it, and move on, use those big boy tidy whities build a bridge etcetera,etcetera etcetera, I could not give a rats arse.
I just gave you a link with a firearms licensed to a 10 month old in the US? and allowed ammunition..why did you ignore that?
I didnt complain, I agreed it was wrong and it needs to be amended...
Please show me where I said otherwise?
tell you what, dont bother, you have zero credibility right now...play nice now... and runalong

So you don't like children with guns but decided to help the Brits out by jumping on me when I suggested they take a look at who they let have firearms in Blighty before they did any finger pointing.

Let me guess, you don't know what you are trying to say at this point, as we have discussed Kalashnikitty and now moved to discussing what a mature intelligent poster you really are.

Er... pot, kettle. BTW you also said "So you defend handing gun licenses to children and felons, and the IRA there in Blighty but think firearms should be banned in North America?" so I would like to see some proof of the ridiculous assertion that the British are actually allowing members of the IRA to own weapons?

Better take a look at some of the names of those with PPW's in NI. Sinn Fein's security staff especially. The British cops detailed to train them did their share of whinigng online a few years ago about it.

But yes, there at least 1100 licensed civilian pistol carriers in NI. And about 90,000 licensed civilian gun owners. So wo do you think gets these PPW permits? The Britsh police require you hae a clear and present danger of being attacked to be issued one and a weapon. Either a rabid loyalist or an ex-IRA is on the list..

LOL Sein Fein are now senior members of the government after signing a comprehensive peace deal which includes full acceptance of the police authority. I do not know if Sein Fein's security staff have guns but as there is still a fair amount of sectarian tension in Northern Ireland it is clear they would be in a significant amount of danger going about their normal duties. Gun ownership in Northern Ireland is relatively high in a population of two million people but you stated they were giving guns to IRA members which is misleading.

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Gun ownership is more common in Northern Ireland than in Great Britain. Approximately 90,000 people in Northern Ireland own firearms, having 140,000 between them[citation needed]. Gun control laws in Northern Ireland are slightly different from those in the rest of the UK, being primarily affected by the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004. Under the new law, first-time buyers will be required to demonstrate they can be trusted with the firearm. It will be up to firearms dealers selling the products to tell new buyers, and those upgrading their firearms, about the safety procedures. Firearm owners in Northern Ireland must not transport their firearms to Great Britain. Northern Ireland is the only part of the United Kingdom where personal protection is accepted as a legitimate reason to obtain and own a firearm and is the only part of the United Kingdom where handguns are not prohibited. However a firearm certificate for a personal protection weapon will only be authorised where the Police Service of Northern Ireland deems there is a ‘verifiable specific risk’ to the life of an individual and that the possession of a firearm is a reasonable, proportionate and necessary measure to protect their life.[24]



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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:44:56 AM   
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LOL once again, lets try this again... instead of trying to make out I am out of control and putting words into my mouth, is it possible you can stick to facts and not assumptions....can you do that??
im calmer than a coma patient dear, you seem to be the one having trouble.




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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:58:20 AM   
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LOL Sein Fein are now senior members of the government after signing a comprehensive peace deal which includes full acceptance of the police authority. I do not know if Sein Fein's security staff have guns but as there is still a fair amount of sectarian tension in Northern Ireland it is clear they would be in a significant amount of danger going about their normal duties. Gun ownership in Northern Ireland is relatively high in a population of two million people but you stated they were giving guns to IRA members which is misleading.

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Gun ownership is more common in Northern Ireland than in Great Britain. Approximately 90,000 people in Northern Ireland own firearms, having 140,000 between them[citation needed]. Gun control laws in Northern Ireland are slightly different from those in the rest of the UK, being primarily affected by the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004. Under the new law, first-time buyers will be required to demonstrate they can be trusted with the firearm. It will be up to firearms dealers selling the products to tell new buyers, and those upgrading their firearms, about the safety procedures. Firearm owners in Northern Ireland must not transport their firearms to Great Britain. Northern Ireland is the only part of the United Kingdom where personal protection is accepted as a legitimate reason to obtain and own a firearm and is the only part of the United Kingdom where handguns are not prohibited. However a firearm certificate for a personal protection weapon will only be authorised where the Police Service of Northern Ireland deems there is a ‘verifiable specific risk’ to the life of an individual and that the possession of a firearm is a reasonable, proportionate and necessary measure to protect their life.[24]



The constables in NI who had the IRA shooting at them on a regular basis had a somewhat different opinion, as to the wisdom of allowing the IRA loose with licensed pistols .

However since NI is officially part of the UK, saying their are no civilian pistols let alone any civilian permitted to carry them about in public is a bit short of the truth.

And we have not covered the thousands of pistols owned in NI but not legally allowed to be carried concealed.

Canada for instance only has about 50 civilian concealed weapons permits issued at this time,

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 7:59:44 AM   
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LOL once again, lets try this again... instead of trying to make out I am out of control and putting words into my mouth, is it possible you can stick to facts and not assumptions....can you do that??
im calmer than a coma patient dear, you seem to be the one having trouble.





So we are discussing facts now?

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 8:13:35 AM   
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LOL Sein Fein are now senior members of the government after signing a comprehensive peace deal which includes full acceptance of the police authority. I do not know if Sein Fein's security staff have guns but as there is still a fair amount of sectarian tension in Northern Ireland it is clear they would be in a significant amount of danger going about their normal duties. Gun ownership in Northern Ireland is relatively high in a population of two million people but you stated they were giving guns to IRA members which is misleading.

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Gun ownership is more common in Northern Ireland than in Great Britain. Approximately 90,000 people in Northern Ireland own firearms, having 140,000 between them[citation needed]. Gun control laws in Northern Ireland are slightly different from those in the rest of the UK, being primarily affected by the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004. Under the new law, first-time buyers will be required to demonstrate they can be trusted with the firearm. It will be up to firearms dealers selling the products to tell new buyers, and those upgrading their firearms, about the safety procedures. Firearm owners in Northern Ireland must not transport their firearms to Great Britain. Northern Ireland is the only part of the United Kingdom where personal protection is accepted as a legitimate reason to obtain and own a firearm and is the only part of the United Kingdom where handguns are not prohibited. However a firearm certificate for a personal protection weapon will only be authorised where the Police Service of Northern Ireland deems there is a ‘verifiable specific risk’ to the life of an individual and that the possession of a firearm is a reasonable, proportionate and necessary measure to protect their life.[24]


The constables in NI who had the IRA shooting at them on a regular basis had a somewhat different opinion, as to the wisdom of allowing the IRA loose with licensed pistols .

Who are these constables? A few guys whinging on an un-named internet site you mentioned or the general police force or some sort of objective poll you can point to? The peace process has brought massive improvements to the security situation in Northern Ireland. In fact the place has transformed in the last twelve or so years. The process only worked when the IRA came into the fold. The fact remains that they are not issuing IRA members with arms willy nilly contrary to what you claim.

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However since NI is officially part of the UK, saying their are no civilian pistols let alone any civilian permitted to carry them about in public is a bit short of the truth.

I never said civilians aren't permitted to carry firearms. However, Northern Ireland is not the rule, it is the exception for obvious reasons.

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And we have not covered the thousands of pistols owned in NI but not legally allowed to be carried concealed.

Canada for instance only has about 50 civilian concealed weapons permits issued at this time,

Those figures relate to all gun ownership, concealed or not.

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 8:14:33 AM   
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Nope, you are obfuscating..try having a look back in page 8 at the facts I have put forward that you cannot deny you didnt even try. you are just making assumptions, and stupid ones at that.
You first, Ive given you more facts than you can handle obviously

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RE: Stupid Fucking Cunt Is Going To Kill Someone Someda... - 7/17/2011 8:32:56 AM   
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An observation from England...

Over here, we have very tight gun laws. Effectively starting around 1900, they have steadily become more and more restrictive and now it's all but impossible to (legally) own a firearm unless it's held under lock and key at a shooting range. Shotguns are treated differently, but still require a licence to own and have to be kept in an approved locked cabinet at home when not in use. Even some categories of airgun fall under the Firearms Act.

Despite this, yes, there is gun crime. But it's a rare and remarkable event, and pretty much every case of death by gunshot is reported in the national media. Such reports typically hit the news once, maybe twice a week.

You got that right. About SIXTY deaths due to gun crime each year in the WHOLE of the UK. I live in a reasonably large city, and in my 47 years I have never even heard a gunshot. In what kind of a society do people fear for their safety when they walk in the street or - god help them - go into a Government building? I used to be in the Armed Forces and have shot smallbore and fullbore in competition, but - armed or not - I don't want to feel like I'm living in a frontier town and that everyone around me, whether open or concealed, is carrying firearms.

Are the English more polite, more tolerant, more peaceable than the Americans? I doubt it. The only difference is that Americans have a right to keep and bear arms written into their law.

That law was drawn up in historic times, in response to historic circumstances. Do those circumstances still exist? Is a militia still required to maintain the security of the state? North Korea and Cuba have such requirements enshrined in law, but does the United States want to number itself amongst such neighbours? If the purpose of maintaining a militia is still valid, then surely everyone buying a weapon should undergo compulsory training (to satisfy the "well regulated" phrase), and anyone over 45 should relinquish their weapons, that being the age limit applied to the original definition of the "militia". And if there is still a need for a militia, why can their weapons not be held securely in local armouries or other such places?

The requirement for self-defence seems obvious, and for self-defence within the home, fine: buy guns, knives, bombs, tasers whatever you want to defend your home. Whoever unlawfully intrudes onto your turf deserves everything they get. But the right to keep and bear (and use) such weapons should stop at the property boundary. In the street, the best way to defend yourself against being shot, I'd suggest, would not be to carry a weapon yourself but to remove the weapon from any would-be assailant.

No, you can't stuff the genie back into the bottle, but your assailant himself has the right to bear arms, so by trying to argue that YOU have the right to bear arms to defend yourself against HIM, what you're effectively arguing is that you're trying to defend yourself against your own law.

Times change. Circumstances change. Some practices which, in history, were enshrined in law we now look back upon as barbaric. Some laws are drawn up to cater for circumstances which no longer prevail, and the laws fall redundant. Those laws are changed, amended, repealed. The right to keep and bear arms is itself an amendment. Neither it, nor the Bill of Rights, nor the Constitution to which it is appended, is immutable.

Until now, the "answer" has been to allow more and more guns into the system, which has done nothing to decrease the death and misery and fear they cause. You don't fight a fire with petrol, and you don't eliminate the gun threat with more guns. Times change. Circumstances change. And laws have to change with them. It's time to drag this part of US law out of the 1790s, repeal the Second Amendment and put in its place something which reflects the realities of the 21st century. Unless and until this happens, you're just perpetuating a civil Arms Race which can only lead to more death and misery.

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