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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Not feeling the need to have one, use one, carry one?  Ive certainly been in several situations where I could have used one, didnt have one and Im still here, .I will never get the mind set... I have a completely different cultural upbringing.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I wonder how I ever got to be (almost) 50 without needing to have a gun, or any weapon to sustain me .. thru the terrors of life

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

So my house is dead, that's what insurance is for but unfortunately insurance can't bring a dead person back to life can it?
But you didn't know that dead person so what the fuck do you care if they had kids who no longer have a father or mother? Doesn't mater that you just took someones loved one away does it? How about you put some bigger fucking locks on your doors and windows then you won't have to kill some kid who's a bit stupid or a bit stoned or a bit drunk. Is there ever going to be a point when you think that maybe enough people have been killed. Turn it round,think of your own family and friends,do you want them shot just because they did something stupid? Do you want them dead because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time?
We have plenty of stupid cunts over here but thank fuck 99% of them don't have guns

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I don't even understand what you are trying to say.

But my best guess is we agree.

So why are you directing this at me?

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Sorry I'm not,bad quoting by me, I was directing it at the fire extinguisher/gun analogy. The rest was just a rant at guns and the gun owning culture

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Oh relax!  The first thing I was taught about firearms is that the only time you point one at a human being is when you are going to shoot them.  If she demonstrated the super-coolness of the laser sighting system, that was reckless and juvenile and she needs a reprimand and another gun safety course.

As far as carrying a gun is concerned, it is legal in many states and, if you don't like it, don't move to one of them.  In Arkansas, you can't carry concealed without a permit but you can carry openly anywhere.  So a bunch of guys with six guns on their hips in regular style western holsters don't even cause anyone to look up.  You see it in general stores, farmers co-ops, cafes and truck stops and people don't even bat an eye.

For all of you that are soooo terrified of guns, go shooting.  You will find that you enjoy it a great deal more than you ever thought you could. :)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

While we are detailing all of the really sensible restrictions on the right to own a gun.....might I mention something kown as the "gun show loophole"
A loophole so huge one could drive a truck thru it......or safely fire a twelve gauge thru it.

The "Gun Show Loophole" is just anti gun talking point BS.

The loophole as it's referred to is the simple fact that one person can sell or transfer a gun to another person without a background check. This occurs at gun shows, among friends, through newspaper ads or trading publication ads, at flea markets and swap meets, from parents to offspring as well as other means.

All dealers at any location including gun shows must conduct background checks.  If it comes down to background checks for individuals transfering their firearms to each other it would amount to registration which opens up a whole new can of worms.

In PA, there is a 3-day waiting period for the purchase of a hand gun and yet anybody can go to a gun show and purchase one without waiting the 3 days...that is the loop hole.

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

power corrupts,absolute power corrupts absolutley

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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I wonder how I ever got to be (almost) 50 without needing to have a gun, or any weapon to sustain me .. thru the terrors of life

When I was a kid, I lived in a State with one street gang, who sometimes robbed places like KFC, making sure to do it when it was empty. There were no drive-bys, there were no drug dealers standing on the corner or harassing children at the school. When I was a teenager, there was still none- except that one pusher, who got shot n the chest for trying.

And, if it wasn't for America getting oh so tough on gun laws, there probably still wouldn't be. Because, criminals, and, politicians, are all oh so much more polite to a well-armed populace. It's really hard to get up the gumption to steal someone's farm, or, invade a home, when you know there will be a gun waiting on the other side of the door, held by a person who would just rather you change your plans.

Guns are a wonderful deterrent to crime. They do not sustain you, unless you need to hunt. But, in the case of living in a society where the criminal elements have so many rights, they do help equalize the playing field.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I'm not claiming to be an expert or trying to make people believe that. I do claim to have quite a bit of knowledge and experience which makes it easy for me to post on this subject. 

Gun safety for the average adult, excluding morons, is pretty cut and dry, at least for ownership and target usage. As long as the gun newbie is well versed on gun safety, on the operation of his particular type of gun, and safety concerning his kids, he's pretty much qualified to have one in the home. It doesn't take a college degree to learn and understand gun safety, it's pretty much easier to learn than it is to learn how to drive a car.  Though you are partially correct, when it comes to the use of deadly force there is a great deal many more factors than will ever be covered in a concealed carry permit course.

I've got a lifetime of experience around guns. Grew up hunting and target shooting. Still go to the range several times a year.
I've got a lifetime of experience around guns. Grew up hunting and target shooting. I don't hunt much these days but I go to the range frequently.

The simple fact is most people who use firearms, both at the range and in hunting, should never be allowed to touch a firearm. The casual disregard for basic gun safety rules is so common the unusual thing is to see someone actually following the rules.
 The key word here is most, I just haven't seen this haphazardness on the range or even out in the field  back in my hunting days to the extent you describe.  I think you highly exaggerate this.

When was the last time you saw someone remove a magazine and clear the chamber of a semi automatic before handing it to someone else?
Always unless it's been handed to me or set on the bench top pointed down range for me to take and shoot it.

When was the last time you saw someone open the cylinder of a revolver and unload it before handing it to someone else?
Same as directly above.

When was the last time you saw a break-action shotgun carried open?
I couldn't say for sure.

How many times have you seen a hunter shoot at nothing or something not clearly identified?
Never

How many times have you encountered hunters drunk and armed while in the field?
Never ever while in the field.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I adore my mother-in-law and her husband but they are of the mindset that they feel they need to own a hand gun to be safe. This is a relatively new development. I do not understand WHY they suddenly feel the need. It is not as though the crime rate in their part of Minnesota has increased. She feels, that because she took a gun safety course, she is now ultimately qualified to carry a hand gun. Her son knows otherwise and told her so. Truth be told, very very few people are ultimately qualified to carry a handgun.

I don't know if you think your mother-in-law is clumsy or accident prone or maybe the type to shoot or pull a gun when it hadn't ought to been pulled. Did she just take a safety course or a course to get her concealed carry permit ?  Maybe she is qualified to have a gun in her home barring any safety concerns with kids.

There are way way more people than you think who are qualified to carry a handgun.

As I am sure you know.......if indeed you are the expert you would like us all to believe you are..... there are a great deal many more factors in safe gun ownership and usage than will ever be covered in a gun safety course.

I'm not claiming to be an expert or trying to make people believe that. I do claim to have quite a bit of knowledge and experience which makes it easy for me to post on this subject. 

Gun safety for the average adult, excluding morons, is pretty cut and dry, at least for ownership and target usage. As long as the gun newbie is well versed on gun safety, on the operation of his particular type of gun, and safety concerning his kids, he's pretty much qualified to have one in the home. It doesn't take a college degree to learn and understand gun safety, it's pretty much easier to learn than it is to learn how to drive a car.  Though you are partially correct, when it comes to the use of deadly force there is a great deal many more factors than will ever be covered in a concealed carry permit course.

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So my house is dead, that's what insurance is for but unfortunately insurance can't bring a dead person back to life can it?
But you didn't know that dead person so what the fuck do you care if they had kids who no longer have a father or mother? Doesn't mater that you just took someones loved one away does it? How about you put some bigger fucking locks on your doors and windows then you won't have to kill some kid who's a bit stupid or a bit stoned or a bit drunk. Is there ever going to be a point when you think that maybe enough people have been killed. Turn it round,think of your own family and friends,do you want them shot just because they did something stupid? Do you want them dead because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time?
We have plenty of stupid cunts over here but thank fuck 99% of them don't have guns

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Do you want them dead because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time?