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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:17:39 PM   
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I love those books too... Got to have the new part also!!
Read them also in Dutch AND English :)
But you are right about Hermione... she is not a whining brat, nor a whining woman.. she is a strong person, who takes the lead when nescessary!!


In a moment of insanity I bought the last one, Land Of Painted Caves, I thought her last few books in the series were (trying to put this politely) incredible, tedious tripe... The last one is almost unbearable, I got it next to the bed and the only thing I can say in its favour is, that it does put me to sleep easily because it's THAT boring.


Just found out, Auel wrote a new part... soo... having read the previous parts.. I need to read this one too

Have you ever started in the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Got through the first pages? Yes?
Well do not think 'The Hobbit" is also that kind of book.

It is worse......... really

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:20:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL, loved Lord of the Rings, read it way before the movies were planned (I'm ancient, LOL) and hobbit and stuff was quite good, but I think I was about 14 when I read them...

I think the first 2 ones were sort of interesting, then it just went downhill and the last one, it's unbelievably bad...

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:23:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do have every book Tolkien wrote... :)
I just have to finish the Letters...

For me.. The Hobbit (read it after LOTR trilogy) was kinda boring...

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:32:40 PM   
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Twilight on the other hand tells young girls that they need to be whiny and insecure and a guy will come along and fix them someday.



I can certainly understand this. But I was actually very, very moved by the first book. I saw so much in how she felt toward him that reflected how deeply I feel about someone. There was a lot I identified with as far as how it feels to be completely overtaken by someone.



I think our own background that we bring to the table when reading books influences how we perceive the books. For me I read them while being around a bunch of high school girls who created a lot of drama about finding their "Edward" and how they always felt like they weren't good enough for the guy they liked or were dating. What annoyed me was how Bella kept thinking that she wasn't good enough for Edward and how she was always worried about her age.

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But you are right about Hermione... she is not a whining brat, nor a whining woman.. she is a strong person, who takes the lead when nescessary!!


Hermione was never a whiner and was actually a pretty kick-ass heroine in the series. I was talking about Bella from Twilight.


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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:41:36 PM   
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I think our own background that we bring to the table when reading books influences how we perceive the books. For me I read them while being around a bunch of high school girls who created a lot of drama about finding their "Edward" and how they always felt like they weren't good enough for the guy they liked or were dating. What annoyed me was how Bella kept thinking that she wasn't good enough for Edward and how she was always worried about her age.


Seriously, that was a bit of reality injected, I mean the idea of dating somebody who's physically perfect and won't age would frighten most of us, male or female, and yes the idea of being a shriveled old prune next to a guy who's forever a teenager would get most "dates" - as for not being good enough, I think if I would be dating somebody who can read minds, fly, run fast, has super sensitive hearing, doesn't age, is incredibly accomplished in everything and rich beyond belief would also make me worry and feel insecure, I'd have kicked his ass to bite me much harder!

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:45:48 PM   
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The LOTR movies will be watched like the Wizard of OZ.
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Potter was made for children to grow up with, like the Little House books, and that in and of itself makes Potter a stellar series, one which will speak to kids past the generation it was written in...

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I read the LOTR books more than 45 years ago.  I read Book 1 of Potter series because my middle Niece of 5 was getting into them and the Christian Right was doing their usual "Witchcraft  and be damned" shit, so I just wanted to make sure I felt they were okay for kids.

So now there are (at least)  two wondrous story series - LOTR and Potter and Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz (and I have the original movie memorized and start shouting at the screen when watching a 'clipped' version. LOL!)  Star Wars - not so much.  And all the spin-offs - not so much.  Dr. Who?  WAAaaay too long to follow, but I can see where some could get into a particular Doctor.  What are they up to - 5 or 7?

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:52:01 PM   
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The LOTR movies will be watched like the Wizard of OZ.
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Potter was made for children to grow up with, like the Little House books, and that in and of itself makes Potter a stellar series, one which will speak to kids past the generation it was written in...

^- THIS -^
I read the LOTR books more than 45 years ago.  I read Book 1 of Potter series because my middle Niece of 5 was getting into them and the Christian Right was doing their usual "Witchcraft  and be damned" shit, so I just wanted to make sure I felt they were okay for kids.

So now there are (at least)  two wondrous story series - LOTR and Potter and Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz (and I have the original movie memorized and start shouting at the screen when watching a 'clipped' version. LOL!)  Star Wars - not so much.  And all the spin-offs - not so much.  Dr. Who?  WAAaaay too long to follow, but I can see where some could get into a particular Doctor.  What are they up to - 5 or 7?



Bah, I liked David Tennant, the new Dr bahhh, not my type, a time lord like a vampire has to be shagable

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:52:27 PM   
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Anyone here ever read the Wheel of Time books?


Yep. And it seems like I have been reading them forever and forever. LOL

I have not picked up Towers of Midnight, yet. I will likely do that soon.



I bought that for my son, we both have read the series. I was going to reread the entire series before reading the last one, but, alas, it seems like a monumental thing to accomplish... what is it now, book 12 or some such?


The Towers of Midnight, would be the 13th unless you count A New Spring, which makes a current total of 14. The next is supposed to come out the end of 2012. So really, 14 books between now and the end of 2012 is not much of an accomplishment. That is less than one a month. I am sure that you read more than that already.

Authors you might also enjoy are:

L.E. Modesitt Jr.
Trudi Canavan
Lois McMaster Bujold
Patrick Rothfuss
Joe Abercrombie

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 12:55:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with your list, Lance but want to add to it the Narnia series by C.S. Lewis. I loved the books both as a kid and as an adult.

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:00:59 PM   
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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:08:38 PM   
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Have you ever started in the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Got through the first pages? Yes?
Well do not think 'The Hobbit" is also that kind of book.

It is worse......... really


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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:09:02 PM   
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I see how you passed on Terry Goodkind as a part of your list... I loath him. He tricked me by writing one good book and then I bought the entire Seeker series, and each book after that had longer and longer Ayn Rand type lectures..
You might like the "Belgariad" quintilogy by David (and Leigh) Eddings. Lots of funny stuff in it, and great characters.


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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:37:19 PM   
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and don't even get me started on the pissing Silmarillion...

fuck off and die you mindless fucking doughnut hole of a philistine!!! that does it, you and me outside right the fuck now! silmarillion fucking rocks and you and anybody else who thinks otherwise can just line up on the left for their ass kicking.


Well f* said Hannah. Since it is a compilation of unfinished notes, there are uneven pieces in the Silmarillion, but the scope of Morgoth's Curse on Feanor's line, and the tragedy of Turin is the best tales ever put in print. It beats the crap out of that namby-pamby young-vampires-in-love nonsense.
 


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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:46:06 PM   
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1-Saw HP 7 last night, was kinda disappointed. It deviates quite a bit from the book and they messed up my favorite part (Neville killing the snake). And yes, I'm a pretty big HP fan.
2-Star Wars-sigh. Liked the first two (As in Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back), can't stand the rest as the characters are wafer thin and the dialogue is, to be charitable, painfully bad. Matter of fact, I just picked up a buncha Zahn's books on Star Wars and just re-read them to find that they are as forumlaic and trite as Lucas's shit.
3-Loved Elric when I was a kid, think I've read every Moorcock novel (And yes, that includes the Skrayling Tee, which is a Moorcock book), tried to re-read them in the last few years and found them childishly simplistic and really kinda poorly written. Great idea, kinda neat plotting, awful, almost pulpesque writing.
4-Terry Goodkind blows. That is all.
5-TWOT is pretty good (Greedy-the first three books are pretty cliche, but Jordon kinda hits his stride in book 4 and holds it for a long while), Mat Cauthon is one of the great fantasy characters ever, but sadly Jordon freaking died before finishing. Lots of WOT folks seem happy with Sanderson. I ain't. I think his writing is shoddy and his characterization is way way off the mark. That said, Aylee, Towers of Midnight is pretty good, the best part being that Jordon wrote lots of it before he passed.
6-Leiber. Ah yes. Simply put, Fafhrd and Mouser are the great lost secrets of fantasy/sci-fi. Original, well written, and the older stories are well plotted and played.
7-As for new stuff, try Abrecrombies 3 laws series or, even better, go with The Lies of Locke Lamora. I really liked Rothfuss's first book (The Name of the Wind), the 2nd not so much.
8-Not liking Tolkien for his writing should be a crime. Yes he writes somewhat last century. Yes he likes thee's and thou's and "high fantasy" style language. WTF. The man was a professor of etymology at Oxfrod, specializing in Saxon and Icelandic edda's. The man turn's a phrase like few can, especially in the fantasy realm where good writing is few and far between. Wanna read well written fantasy-look for Stephen R Donaldson or Patricia McKillip.
9-Oh yeah. Twilight blows. If you're gonna do vampires, do it right-read Lestat ( I like my vampires with style and sophistication, not hanging out in a redneck bar in backwoods Bon Temps) and savor in the language Rice uses to describe New Orleans.
10- I withhold any comments re ice and fire until I've read Dances with Dragons and Martin's actually finished the series.


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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:50:56 PM   
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I see how you passed on Terry Goodkind as a part of your list... I loath him. He tricked me by writing one good book and then I bought the entire Seeker series, and each book after that had longer and longer Ayn Rand type lectures..
You might like the "Belgariad" quintilogy by David (and Leigh) Eddings. Lots of funny stuff in it, and great characters.



So many good recommendations on this thread.... yay!

I like the photo, btw


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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:52:07 PM   
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I think it did better the the Star Wars series?
What do you think, and what movie series did you like the best?

The first three Star Wars movies in their era were landmark. Nothing even remotely like them had ever been made before. It isn't even close. They changed movie making forever. Every good special effects move made today, be it Potter, Narnia or whatever, owes its existence to the original Star Wars Trilogy.

The second three Star Wars, not so much. Even the lovely Natalie Portman could not bring them up to par. Jar Jar was a big mistake. I think the animated Clone Wars stuff is truer to the original vision, and has better plots and characters, especially Ahsoka Tano. 

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 1:55:26 PM   
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I see how you passed on Terry Goodkind as a part of your list... I loath him. He tricked me by writing one good book and then I bought the entire Seeker series, and each book after that had longer and longer Ayn Rand type lectures..


The other half has Terry Goodkind books, but I do not think that I have read anything by him.

That was not an exhaustive author list for me, just a few that I thought might fit into the style of fantasy being discussed.

I have read two Ayn Rand books. Given the choice, I would prefer to re-read Robert Pirsig.

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 2:03:00 PM   
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Looking for a new author to follow - suggestions welcomed. AND please, not that vampire and werewolf drivel. I'll kick your ass.
tony

You might try The Darksword Trilogy by C. S. Freidman. I think Black Sun Rising is the first in the series. They read like fantasy but they are really SF. Pretty damn cool.

If comedy is more your line, try Myth Adventures by Robert Aspirin in Fantasy or Stainless Steel Rat by Harry Harrison in SF.

And, of course, one should never forget about Amber and Xanth.

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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 2:11:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Belgariad was most excellent

have all his books

and one the riftwar saga was good to about a magicans apprentice called Pug and his friend Thomas who find a ship but its from another world

they eventually find this world

Pug is captured and becomes the most powerful magician either side of the rift


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RE: Harry Potter ends~ - 7/17/2011 2:23:29 PM   
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Have you ever started in the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Got through the first pages? Yes?
Well do not think 'The Hobbit" is also that kind of book.

It is worse......... really

No it isn't. It's a classic of children's literature written by somebody whose style was a lot better suited to that than trying to tell an adventure story involving adults.

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