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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 1:00:50 PM   
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private sector employment diminishes a little more every year.


So does federal government as a percentage of GDP and of population.



Not since 2008, even net of the census hiring.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 1:01:43 PM   
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Read the part in bold. Now tell me why a successful person should not be able to bequeath an estate that HE/SHE ALREADY PAID TAXES ON TO BUILD IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE to his/her sons and daughters? Please answer that question!


You skipped non-sequitur day in logic class.

Nothing about the premise precludes your desired outcome.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 1:02:50 PM   
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Not since 2008


He's claiming a 60 year period.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 1:15:16 PM   
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I say that liberals are the enemy. 





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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 1:22:38 PM   
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Hey....Nottertail....you have kids, right?  Do you have grandkids?  Do you love them?  Do you intend to leave them anything?  Do you want people like MM and Uncle Same to say "hey, Nottertail, nice job, you were a good earner....FOR US MOTHERFUCKER!  Awww...wazza matter?  You felt your kids needed the fruits of your labor for whatever reason?  You felt that it was part of the American dream to give your kids a better opportunity than what you had?  Well fuck you and your kids.  We have brownstones in Georgetown, pal, private jets, HUGE expense accounts and we have to pay out entitlements so we can buy votes and stay in power in perpetuity.  Sorry about your kids, pal.  You were a sucker to think we were in this for anything or anyone other than ourselves."


This is my problem, do not project this shit on me.  I am against the lobby, the corporation, and special interests because of this.

I would like to see political elective offices so fucking poor that we actually have to draft our lawmakers. 

I do not think it is an american dream to pay taxes, I do not think it is an american dream to give corporations anything but a fucking prison framework to work within.

Yeah, I make money and I like to keep it. 

But I will pay for a sidewalk, to have the roads plowed, to go to a park........


The corporate appeasement, the borrowing, the spending for votes to garner favor thru special interest legislation,  is sucking up far more of my income than taxes. 

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:21:24 PM   
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The time for civility is long since over.  We need a balanced budget amendment.  Period.  Democrats should want that.  Republicans should want that.  Independents should want that.  Libertarians should want that.  Green party people should want that. You should want that.  I should want that.

Another winner of the Santayana live in vain award.

Please study the differences between 1929 to 1933 and 1933 to 1937. Then tell me how its obvious we need a balaned budget amendment.

What we really need is a populace well enough informed to understand that 20 years of supply side policies have proven the theory is not correct.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:25:29 PM   
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They would also be willing to INCREASE TAXES on those that have the money to pay them... which at this point is the wealthy.



Your revered POTUS doesnt agree with you:

Todd reminded Obama that he had promised to raise taxes on “some of the wealthiest” Americans.

Obama responded by reiterating his opposition to tax hikes during a recession and making an argument about timing. “We have not proposed a tax hike for the wealthy that would take effect in the middle of a recession. Even the proposals that have come out of Congress – which by the way were different from the proposals I put forward – still wouldn’t kick in until after the recession was over. So he’s absolutely right, the last thing you want to do is raise taxes in the middle of a recession because that would just suck up – take more demand out of the economy and put business further in a hole.”

Of course, the real message is that he would delay increasing taxes, even on the wealthy, until after 2012. Not because its good for the economy to raise taxes even when in a period of growth, it isnt. Wonder why?

We've been out of the recession for most of a year. Time to soak the rich. Eisenhower era tax rates worked to build the middle class and pay down the WWII debt. Let's try it again.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:35:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have never been out of the recession.  Don't believe everything you read. 

Nope, folks, I said it before and I'll say it again, there can be no civility in Congress or in any other political arena.  We are experiencing the most elevated class warfare in the U.S. in its history.  Forget it.  The entitled want what you have.  They will never earn enough to carry their own freight and so unless you are paying for them, they cannot survive.  The truth behind that statement is unassailable.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:38:06 PM   
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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:42:48 PM   
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The wealthy want what you have.  They will never earn enough to satisfy their need for fur lined sinks and elephant foot umbrella stands and so unless you are paying for them, they cannot survive.  The truth behind that statement is unassailable.



The idiocy behind that statement is unassailable.  A wealthy contractor often gets paid by wealthier people.  How does he hold you back, nottertail?  A lawyer gets paid by volume more than any other way.  How does the lawyer hold you back?  The cardiovascular surgeon gets paid through the practice of his art that a very small percentage of people in the world can do.  How does that hold you back, nottertail?  Bill Gates got paid by producing a product that almost everyone bought.  How does that hold you back, nottertail?  Buffett got paid by arbitraging his funds, how did that hold you back, nottertail.

Liberals are petty, jealous and needful little tyrants.  And all of you who read this should recognize them for what they are.  If you are lazy or unwilling to get out there and make your own way you should lie in the street and beg.  That is where this country is going for liberals with any luck.  Because, at least if THAT happens, liberals can actually thank the people that gave to them.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:43:05 PM   
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We have never been out of the recession.  Don't believe everything you read. 

Nope, folks, I said it before and I'll say it again, there can be no civility in Congress or in any other political arena.  We are experiencing the elevated class warfare in the U.S. in its history.  Forget it.  The entitled want what you have.  They will never earn enough to carry their own freight and so unless you are paying for them, they cannot survive.  The truth behind that statement is unassailable.




Technically we have and thats the way it will be written. Despite the economic carnage Obama's policies have brought, the papers will treat it as "Obama got us out of the Bush recession after only 6 months", ignoring the fact that it was borrowed money padding government consumption that led to an artificial increase in GDP.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:44:38 PM   
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We have never been out of the recession.  Don't believe everything you read. 

Nope, folks, I said it before and I'll say it again, there can be no civility in Congress or in any other political arena.  We are experiencing the elevated class warfare in the U.S. in its history.  Forget it.  The entitled want what you have.  They will never earn enough to carry their own freight and so unless you are paying for them, they cannot survive.  The truth behind that statement is unassailable.




Technically we have and thats the way it will be written. Despite the economic carnage Obama's policies have brought, the papers will treat it as "Obama got us out of the Bush recession after only 6 months".


I know.  But it is bullshit.  The problem is that it IS the way it will be written even though the realities of our economy are in stark contrast.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 2:56:30 PM   
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The wealthy want what you have.  They will never earn enough to satisfy their need for fur lined sinks and elephant foot umbrella stands and so unless you are paying for them, they cannot survive.  The truth behind that statement is unassailable.



The idiocy behind that statement is unassailable.  A wealthy contractor often gets paid by wealthier people.  How does he hold you back, nottertail?  A lawyer gets paid by volume more than any other way.  How does the lawyer hold you back?  The cardiovascular surgeon gets paid through the practice of his art that a very small percentage of people in the world can do.  How does that hold you back, nottertail?  Bill Gates got paid by producing a product that almost everyone bought.  How does that hold you back, nottertail?  Buffett got paid by arbitraging his funds, how did that hold you back, nottertail.

Liberals are petty, jealous and needful little tyrants.  And all of you who read this should recognize them for what they are.  If you are lazy or unwilling to get out there and make your own way you should lie in the street and beg.  That is where this country is going for liberals with any luck.  Because, at least if THAT happens, liberals can actually thank the people that gave to them.


The abject cretinism behind your statements are unassailable.
HALIBURTON a wealthy contractor with ties to the government since (in one form or aother under different compositions of company names DDE) gets no-bid contracts, and lobbies the shit out of congress for special interest, insures that they multiply bill for services to the government that they did not provide and so on. 

A corporation of corporate lawyers insure their corporate tobacco clients are not held responsible for their known health risking behavior and selling to children.

Bill Gates pirates products from Xerox, and fleeces an individual of intellectual property by modifiying his original work from source code he agreed not to do, and in the absence of law at that point is let off the hook, and then goes on to create a monopoly thru illegal means worldwide, and still takes the lions share after the fines are paid.

The insurance lobby thru scare tactics and governmental political robbers insures that healthcare reform and pharma reform and medical reform is not allowed to take advantage of collective bargaining power, and increases the cost to all as they make record profits by perverting the laws of a nation.

I dunno, how does that help any of us?

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 3:03:56 PM   
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The wealthy want what you have.  They will never earn enough to satisfy their need for fur lined sinks and elephant foot umbrella stands and so unless you are paying for them, they cannot survive.  The truth behind that statement is unassailable.



The idiocy behind that statement is unassailable.  A wealthy contractor often gets paid by wealthier people.  How does he hold you back, nottertail?  A lawyer gets paid by volume more than any other way.  How does the lawyer hold you back?  The cardiovascular surgeon gets paid through the practice of his art that a very small percentage of people in the world can do.  How does that hold you back, nottertail?  Bill Gates got paid by producing a product that almost everyone bought.  How does that hold you back, nottertail?  Buffett got paid by arbitraging his funds, how did that hold you back, nottertail.

Liberals are petty, jealous and needful little tyrants.  And all of you who read this should recognize them for what they are.  If you are lazy or unwilling to get out there and make your own way you should lie in the street and beg.  That is where this country is going for liberals with any luck.  Because, at least if THAT happens, liberals can actually thank the people that gave to them.


The abject cretinism behind your statements are unassailable.
HALIBURTON a wealthy contractor with ties to the government since (in one form or aother under different compositions of company names DDE) gets no-bid contracts, and lobbies the shit out of congress for special interest, insures that they multiply bill for services to the government that they did not provide and so on. 

A corporation of corporate lawyers insure their corporate tobacco clients are not held responsible for their known health risking behavior and selling to children.

Bill Gates pirates products from Xerox, and fleeces an individual of intellectual property by modifiying his original work from source code he agreed not to do, and in the absence of law at that point is let off the hook, and then goes on to create a monopoly thru illegal means worldwide, and still takes the lions share after the fines are paid.

The insurance lobby thru scare tactics and governmental political robbers insures that healthcare reform and pharma reform and medical reform is not allowed to take advantage of collective bargaining power, and increases the cost to all as they make record profits by perverting the laws of a nation.

I dunno, how does that help any of us?


What you do not understand is that there are many wealthy people that have nothing to do with Haliburton or Exxon or Enron, etc. etc.  A great many corporations have left and so they now have nothing to do with any of us?  Funny how that worked out.  You want to penalize wealthy people for this bugaboo you have with corporations even though the percentage of people you are talking about amounts to 1% or less.

Should Gates have been held accountable?  Sure.  He should have been sued and, perhaps, criminally charged with common law conversion, theft by deception or fraud.  By the same token, however, how many people has Gates employed?  How much has he given to charity?  I don't know...perhaps Gates should give a billion to the guy he fucked over.  Perhaps IBM never would have gone as far as Gates.  Who knows?  What I know is that Gates has enabled 100's if not 1000's to live independently of entitlements and government cheese.  So has Haliburton for that matter.  And for all of the corporations that have long since gone and will not come back?  Well...they are helping Mexicans, Thais, Canadians, Indians and many, many others to live independently also.

I think your view is myopic.  Are there wrongs that have to be addressed?  Yes.  But you want corporate America to be pillaried.  Well, they already feel they HAVE BEEN which is why they are no longer here.  You should be happy they are gone.  It seems you got your way.  Are you happy?

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 3:08:37 PM   
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The companies themselves are still based in the US.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 3:10:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		What you do not understand is that there are a great many liberals and or poor people who are not lazy and not sucking off the government tit in the way wealthy people do.

Your view is decidedly myopic.

Corporate America is here in full fucking force, they remain here for the safety, benefits,  lifestyle, and chances to fuck over Americans provided, but they sure don't hire here.

I will not be happy until we dismantle corporate enabling laws and everything they entail.

We need to unshackle these poor welfare patients from their special interests, subsidies, and captive markets and let them live the great American dream as you and I now do, let us live our free markets. 

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 3:10:27 PM   
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What we really need is a populace well enough informed to understand that 20 years of supply side policies have proven the theory is not correct.


Too bad they have done no such thing.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 3:13:44 PM   
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Liberals are petty, jealous and needful little tyrants.


They can, however, master basic math, and thus recognize that all the cuts aren't going to erase the deficit without revenue increases.

Failure to recognize this means you're not only OK with the debt as it stands, but also as it continues to increase.

Some people in America think that's not a good idea.

Others post childish insults in Internet discussion forums.

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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 3:14:32 PM   
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RE: Bringing civility back to congress. - 7/22/2011 3:16:25 PM   
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