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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 12:55:25 PM   
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I believe there should be a poverty line.  I believe that we would likely have a graded flat tax.  But I would put that poverty line at $16,000.00 and below. 



$16,000 a year for EACH ADULT regardless of marital status would be nice in some states. It should be higher in states like California, New York, and Vermont because the cost of living in those states is much higher. Unfortunately, there is already a poverty line of less than $15,000 for TWO MARRIED ADULTS. So many couples for economic reasons are forced to divorce or couples who want to marry can't. What do you think about that? Do you think it's fair that a single adult with one child is counted the same as two married adults? I'm curious about your view on that. I'm a Democrat, but when it comes to marriage penalties I share the view of most Republicans. I think they're an outrage.


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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 2:09:19 PM   
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I believe there should be a poverty line.  I believe that we would likely have a graded flat tax.  But I would put that poverty line at $16,000.00 and below. 



$16,000 a year for EACH ADULT regardless of marital status would be nice in some states. It should be higher in states like California, New York, and Vermont because the cost of living in those states is much higher. Unfortunately, there is already a poverty line of less than $15,000 for TWO MARRIED ADULTS. So many couples for economic reasons are forced to divorce or couples who want to marry can't. What do you think about that? Do you think it's fair that a single adult with one child is counted the same as two married adults? I'm curious about your view on that. I'm a Democrat, but when it comes to marriage penalties I share the view of most Republicans. I think they're an outrage.



I think marriage penalties are an outrage.  And I don't think that a single adult with a child should be two adults.  You have an adult with a single dependent deduction.  I would even suggest that a single parent should get a higher deduction but then, arguably, that would encourage single parenthood when encouraging a nuclear family is so much more important.  Again...this is why I like the idea of a flat tax.  Our tax system encourages things positively, i.e. it is designed to encourage certain outcomes.  But it also encourages things negatively, i.e it creates perversities that were apparently unnoticed or un-contemplated when the tax law was written.  A flat tax would put an end to all of it. 

If I had my way, there would be a repeal of so many taxes in favor of the flat tax also.  What the hell is an fcc tax for a telephone line?  That didn't exist in the 60's.  There are so many duplicitous taxes that our pin headed bureaucrats have put in place that nickle and dime us to death.

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 3:36:58 PM   
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Really simple actualy....much like you

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 7:57:15 PM   
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No...25K per year is NOT poor.  Oh...my starting salary as a first year associate in a law firm, by the way, in 1992 was $27,000.00  My rent was $750.  I had to budget, no doubt about it.  My rent was approximately 45% of my monthly income, but I got by.  Lots of pasta and canned chicken

You do realize that not only did you make over $150 a month more, but that was 20 freaking years ago, right?



Yes, I realize both.  But even then, paying 45% of your total monthly income for rent was enormously difficult.  I squeezed each and every quarter until the eagle screamed!


And what did you pay for gasoline? For a loaf of bread?

If you think it was hard to pay $750 rent making $27k when you could get gas for like 99 cents a gallon, and lived alone, imagine paying the same rent today, when everything else costs more, and you have a kid to take care of.

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:24:00 PM   
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No ,your rants are just that....rants.Credibility begins when one stops ranting,you are incapable of doing this,hence no credibility.
Really simple actualy....much like you


Who gives a fuck what you think, SlaveMike?  You are an idiot fool.  Your posts are meaningless asides, no cites, liberal blather and snarky comments.  Here...let me be direct...you do nothing but spew your worthless asides, you argue for left wing entitlements, your man-child president can do no wrong even though his presidency has been determined to be a failure and you have your hand out collecting a disability check.  You claim to lead the life of Fauntleroy while getting disability MEANWHILE the people who do not sit on their worthless asses collecting a government check and who have achieved some measure of success, those people you want to tax to death. 

You want to talk about credibility?  I work for what I have...no handouts, no entitlements, no reliance on any government.  BECAUSE I have achieved what I have achieved, I argue AGAINST punitive taxation because I understand the effort it took to earn it.  So...what is it that you do?  You said this in another post.  You sit at the pool of your club because of a government check that you receive each month.  Your liberal loser friends on this board should hunt you down and set you on fire.  While people live in REAL poverty, you fiddle while Rome burns.  While some of the people on this board live in project housing units paid for by the taxes collected from me and Willbe and Firm and others, you live the life of Reilly on those same tax dollars, drinking gin and tonic at your club. 

If you were a friend of mine, I would say "hey...nice work if you can get it, I guess.  But rather than being smug, don't you think you could do a little to kick into the kitty?  I mean, if you can walk to the bar and grab a cocktail and then come back and sit by the pool all day, how disabled are you?"  Now...that might be the statement that would end our friendship but I would say it anyway.  But you are not a friend. So I will simply say that you are a fucking leech.  Just another part of the problem.  Another taker who argues for more taking because it benefits you directly. 

Don't worry about my credibility.  I make what I make and I see no reason to apologize to those who don't work as hard and don't have as much.  You, however, produce nothing and you suck, suck, suck. 

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:31:32 PM   
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You are an idiot fool. Your posts are meaningless asides, no cites, ... blather and snarky comments. Here...let me be direct...you do nothing but spew your worthless asides



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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:34:08 PM   
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No...25K per year is NOT poor.  Oh...my starting salary as a first year associate in a law firm, by the way, in 1992 was $27,000.00  My rent was $750.  I had to budget, no doubt about it.  My rent was approximately 45% of my monthly income, but I got by.  Lots of pasta and canned chicken

You do realize that not only did you make over $150 a month more, but that was 20 freaking years ago, right?



Yes, I realize both.  But even then, paying 45% of your total monthly income for rent was enormously difficult.  I squeezed each and every quarter until the eagle screamed!


And what did you pay for gasoline? For a loaf of bread?

If you think it was hard to pay $750 rent making $27k when you could get gas for like 99 cents a gallon, and lived alone, imagine paying the same rent today, when everything else costs more, and you have a kid to take care of.


Oh...really a genius post, Imperatrix.  So what you just said is that people receiving welfare---WHICH IS FREE MONEY---should also get a cost of living adjustment?  I mean, fuck, they are already producing far less than their counterparts and so their counterparts have a DUTY...an...OBLIGATION to support them.  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!  Ok...so   now...on top of that, you want to give them C.O.L.A.  Would that be every year, Imperatrixx?  LOLOLOLOL I mean, Jesus, even child support payments are modified only once every 3 years absent a legally defined change in circumstances.  But no...your right, the welfare recipients should get a 4% C.O.L.A. increase every year.  This way, they will NEVER get off the dole. 

Hey...I know, I bet you would support THIS too;  car prices go up every year so maybe we should give these welfare recipients the equivalent of a company car?  Yeah!!!!!  That's it!!  A company care!  And...and...two weeks paid vacation, right?  Because the cost of going on vacation goes up every year too!  Clothing!  Fuck...why didn't I think of this before?  Clothing is much more expensive since our punitive tax structure completely destroyed the textile industry!  We should give them a clothing allowance too.  AND...AND that clothing allowance should go up every year by the same C.O.L.A. adjustment as their check....right?  BRILLIANT!!!  My God, man, you are a GENIUS! 

Thanks...that last post of yours really helped for me to understand who you are.

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:40:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		End our friendship...what a fucking joke.Like I would ever associate with scum like you.
Now to the points( as lame as they are) of your "rant". Is it your contention that the only true disability is one that leaves a person totally helpless? Do you not see handicapped parking spots at gyms,swimming pools,golf courses and all other recreational destinations?
You reveal your idiocy when you contend,based on my posts(or rather the little you take out of them) that I am not truly disabled...I have had seven major surgeries,most of them to my spine.A lamendectomy( replacement of the disc at c6c7 with a titanium spacer) the disc below is still compressed,but not yet operable....in addition my condition is what is known as( stay with me here this is a big word) degenerative .My left shoulder has been reconstructed....and is termed partially permanently disabled...as is my back/neck.These are legally arrived at medical findings...down not only thru a workers compensation court....but in front of a Social Security board....and yet you feel qualified to question these things.....based on what,my assertion that I still try to live life to the fullest extant possible for me? Any recreation I engage in I pay for...the currency of my payment is PAIN...plain and simple ,but I refuse to sit on the porch and watch as life goes by....somehow that makes me un-disabled.
Perhaps you might think I should use that zest for life in pursuit of some sort of job....well guess what asshole, I am unemployable...who would accept the insurance risk? Why should they,I am medically proven damaged goods....and this has been asserted by two separate courts...will you hire me as a day laborer,yanno under the table for cheap and when I get hurt you can just drive away and deny any responsibility.
So now allow me to rant a little..KISS MY FUCKING ASS.....

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:49:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		A quick question LA

You rail against disability benefits and the like.

Are you happy to see those who can not work, who have the misfortune to have no family or money to fall back on, starve?

Not everyone is capable of work, not everyone is employable....

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/job-listings-unemployed-not-apply-133143362.html

...indeed, it seems the more unemployed you are, the less employable you are.

So, how do you think a fair and just society should treat those who can not work?

Death panels, perhaps?



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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:51:23 PM   
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A quick question LA

You rail against disability benefits and the like.

Are you happy to see those who can not work, who have the misfortune to have no family or money to fall back on, starve?

Not everyone is capable of work, not everyone is employable....

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/job-listings-unemployed-not-apply-133143362.html

...indeed, it seems the more unemployed you are, the less employable you are.

So, how do you think a fair and just society should treat those who can not work?

Death panels, perhaps?





I don't rail against people with disability, philosophy, I just don't like SlaveMike. 

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:55:03 PM   
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Oh...really a genius post, Imperatrix.  So what you just said is that people receiving welfare---WHICH IS FREE MONEY---should also get a cost of living adjustment?  I mean, fuck, they are already producing far less than their counterparts and so their counterparts have a DUTY...an...OBLIGATION to support them.  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!  Ok...so   now...on top of that, you want to give them C.O.L.A.  Would that be every year, Imperatrixx?  LOLOLOLOL I mean, Jesus, even child support payments are modified only once every 3 years absent a legally defined change in circumstances.  But no...your right, the welfare recipients should get a 4% C.O.L.A. increase every year.  This way, they will NEVER get off the dole. 

Hey...I know, I bet you would support THIS too;  car prices go up every year so maybe we should give these welfare recipients the equivalent of a company car?  Yeah!!!!!  That's it!!  A company care!  And...and...two weeks paid vacation, right?  Because the cost of going on vacation goes up every year too!  Clothing!  Fuck...why didn't I think of this before?  Clothing is much more expensive since our punitive tax structure completely destroyed the textile industry!  We should give them a clothing allowance too.  AND...AND that clothing allowance should go up every year by the same C.O.L.A. adjustment as their check....right?  BRILLIANT!!!  My God, man, you are a GENIUS! 

Thanks...that last post of yours really helped for me to understand who you are.



I think we are talking about entirely different things here. I am talking about a working person making $25k a year supporting a kid, extrapolating that from a family of four (two workers, two children) making $50k a year, the maximum income for not paying federal income taxes.

You seem to think I'm talking about welfare recipients. I have absolutely no idea how or why you think that, but that's probably why your post just seems like a random rant that has nothing to do with anything being discussed here.

And yes, I do think that employees should get paid leave :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statutory_minimum_employment_leave_by_country

There are a lot of countries on that list. The only one that doesn't require employers to offer paid leave is the US. Of course I'm sure you think we're right and the entire rest of the fucking world is wrong. So I'm not sure why I'm even bothering.

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:58:07 PM   
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Go drink your fucking gin and tonic.  But when you get gout and rosacea, don't fucking come crying to us!!! 

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 8:59:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I am saying to you, Imperatrixx, is that it IS expensive out there and everyone has to make their own way.  You can make excuses and apologies for people but the fact is that it is hard to make a living and you can't look to other people to do it for you.  

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 9:01:03 PM   
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But they practice law and they contribute to society. 




Isn't that a contradiction of terms?

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 9:01:47 PM   
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it is hard to make a living


Not as hard as people make it (at all levels).



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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 9:03:44 PM   
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Yeah you punk...I don't think you are disabled at all.  I think you are a fucking sponge, a tick, a bedbug!  I have handled dozens of laminectomy cases and degenerative spine disease cases (Oh...by the way you malingering fool, if you actually had a laminectomy, you would probably know how to spell it!) and my clients went back to work for places like Comcast and the cab company and back to their medical offices.  You know what?  There are a number of lawyers in the county court that make it through the day on their easy chair scooters.  They are disabled SlaveMalingerer....THEY CAN'T FUCKING WALK!  But they practice law and they make money and they contribute to society. 

Go drink your fucking gin and tonic.  But when you get gout and rosacea, don't fucking come crying to us!!! 

Let's say you were to meat me on the street. If I were wearng long sleeves there is absolutely no way you could visually identify me as disabled. Should I not receive disability?

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 9:06:20 PM   
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What I am saying to you, Imperatrixx, is that it IS expensive out there and everyone has to make their own way.  You can make excuses and apologies for people but the fact is that it is hard to make a living and you can't look to other people to do it for you.  


Again, what does this have to do with anything I posted?

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 9:07:38 PM   
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meat me on the street


No, no....do that in private....


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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 9:16:15 PM   
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Yeah you punk...I don't think you are disabled at all.  I think you are a fucking sponge, a tick, a bedbug!  I have handled dozens of laminectomy cases and degenerative spine disease cases (Oh...by the way you malingering fool, if you actually had a laminectomy, you would probably know how to spell it!) and my clients went back to work for places like Comcast and the cab company and back to their medical offices.  You know what?  There are a number of lawyers in the county court that make it through the day on their easy chair scooters.  They are disabled SlaveMalingerer....THEY CAN'T FUCKING WALK!  But they practice law and they make money and they contribute to society. 

Go drink your fucking gin and tonic.  But when you get gout and rosacea, don't fucking come crying to us!!! 
I never asked the neurosurgeon how to spell it.....I just signed on the dotted line.You see I had a desire to walk again,and the way the disc was crimping the nerves I was losing use of my left leg....my left arm was already shot....thankfully after the operation I walk and I walk fine.But enough of justifying myself to the likes of you.
Let us look at your assertions about going back to work.My accident occurred March 31 2005(at the time I was working two jobs) my last surgery was in 2009... A result of the wonderful insurance industry making medical decisions for me....instead of my doctor and I.
I still get spinal epidurals every three months....I have a constant and steady supply of vicodin by my side at all times...and as I have proved often enough here ( by making posts that are near as stupid as yours) I need to use them often.Again tell me how I am employable...I don't have a law degree so I can't roll myself down the courthouse halls. I can not be insured,so no work open to me that would be above board....care to continue making an asshole out of yourself.Are you suggesting I should have told the Workers Compensation judge...."no thanks I will not take the award you have judged me to deserve... Would rather sell pencils "...., should I also have turned down my SSI which I earned by dint of withholdings I paid into during my working career .When I reach the age of 65 shall I tell Verizon I do not want the pension I earned after working 25 years there?
Final point asshole...it is Jack Daniels....see the avatar,only pussies like yourself would drink gin and tonics.

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RE: Financial Reality - 7/26/2011 9:34:45 PM   
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Oh...really a genius post, Imperatrix.  So what you just said is that people receiving welfare---WHICH IS FREE MONEY---should also get a cost of living adjustment?  I mean, fuck, they are already producing far less than their counterparts and so their counterparts have a DUTY...an...OBLIGATION to support them.  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!  Ok...so   now...on top of that, you want to give them C.O.L.A.  Would that be every year, Imperatrixx?  LOLOLOLOL I mean, Jesus, even child support payments are modified only once every 3 years absent a legally defined change in circumstances.  But no...your right, the welfare recipients should get a 4% C.O.L.A. increase every year.  This way, they will NEVER get off the dole. 

Hey...I know, I bet you would support THIS too;  car prices go up every year so maybe we should give these welfare recipients the equivalent of a company car?  Yeah!!!!!  That's it!!  A company care!  And...and...two weeks paid vacation, right?  Because the cost of going on vacation goes up every year too!  Clothing!  Fuck...why didn't I think of this before?  Clothing is much more expensive since our punitive tax structure completely destroyed the textile industry!  We should give them a clothing allowance too.  AND...AND that clothing allowance should go up every year by the same C.O.L.A. adjustment as their check....right?  BRILLIANT!!!  My God, man, you are a GENIUS! 

Thanks...that last post of yours really helped for me to understand who you are.



And your posts keep letting us understand who you are.

Now tell me you have never received any government benefits.

Think real hard.

And if you think this a loaded question you are right.



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