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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 8:57:02 AM   
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There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?

Anyone who loves a man who disgraced the uniform of the US Army is a pathetic excuse for an American.

...Who are you talking about?

The House GOP's desperate choice for desperate times.
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The most famous thing about Allen West--a former high-ranking African American Army officer--is that he was accused by the military in 2003 of abusing an Iraqi detainee. The fact that he is now the Republican nominee for Congress in an ostensibly competitive district speaks volumes about the current state of the GOP...

West was on track for a generalship when his unit was assigned in August 2003 to interrogate an Iraqi policeman who had supposedly turned Benedict Arnold. The policeman refused to cooperate, so West dragged him outside, pushed his head into the sand, and fired a gun next to his face to get him to sing.

He was given the option of court-martial and serving time at Leavenworth Federal Prison or copping a plea and retiring. Like many other criminals before him and since, West took the plea bargain. He retired.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 9:03:36 AM   
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It would have been easy to miss, Violet, since the media operated within a tight template on how they covered the form of the opposition, but we had a rather significant election last November with government spending as a central theme (63 seats in the House is a lot).  While the President eventually said the right words, the budget he put forward said he hadn't heard the people at all.

Now blind obstructionism is just plain stupid, and bad for the country, but to suggest that people standing firmly by the principles they ran on is a dangerous madness, seems a touch extreme. 

I'm seeing this whole spectacle of a debt limit crisis as smoke and posturing.  An exercise in panic and fearmongering.  The validity of the public debt of the United States...shall not be questioned. 

I wish they would wrap it up, and move on though.  It's a big, fast-moving world, and there might be developments, at home and abroad, their attention would be better focused on.

Well,since the house sets the schedules and controls spending bills,it`s on the grand oil party that it`s come down to the wire.

The cons did this on purpose and arena`t acting in good faith.This did`t even have to happen.


Their" our way or the highway" tact has also been abusive.

They hold one branch,we hold two but the cons are barking orders like they run the place.

When they were the minority they were quit comfortable complaining and sniping,whining and crying.

Now that they are in leadership,the republicans are lost on what to do or what it is to be the majority.They`re still stuck in minority mode and a minority mentality,blaming everything on everyone else and offering nothing.

Or in this case,offering poison pills like fucking with Social Security and Medicare,CHIP and WIC,or tax cuts for millionaires.


If this tact goes south,if the economy suffers more over this than it is already,we`re going to see what "lead or get out of the way" means,in Nov.

I think what the OP is getting at is the new-comers to fiscal responsibility.The folks who not only were silent during 8 years of ruinous bush policy but cheered it,defended it and voted for it.

Now all of a sudden,when a democrat holds the WT,the johny-come-latelys to fiscal responsibility are vocal and pseudo-outraged.

If you were always vocal about government spending and not just when the dems are in control,you wouldn`t be seen as a biased-partisan-whiner-hypocrite.

That`s what derangement is,rich.When it`s always partisan and usually extreme and lately with you guys,mostly bull-shit.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 11:36:26 AM   
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He was crying about how the democratic system is in his way just the other day, to the racists he was pandering to

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3783274


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That's pretty much it. If Obama's such a fucking socialist, why didn't he just nationalize healthcare?




You must mean "further" nationalize healthcare...and he did. Or maybe you meant nationalize GM? Oh..he did. Or maybe you meant nationalize the banks...Oh he did.



I mean "Nationalize" as in "All you health insurance companies are out of business and we're just going with universal medicare; we're going to roll VistA's EHR out to every doctor in the country and cut checks from the regional processing centers avoiding the extra costs incurred by your "customers". You had a good run. Now TS and FU."

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 3:27:09 PM   
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He was crying about how the democratic system is in his way just the other day, to the racists he was pandering to

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3783274


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That's pretty much it. If Obama's such a fucking socialist, why didn't he just nationalize healthcare?




You must mean "further" nationalize healthcare...and he did. Or maybe you meant nationalize GM? Oh..he did. Or maybe you meant nationalize the banks...Oh he did.



I mean "Nationalize" as in "All you health insurance companies are out of business and we're just going with universal medicare; we're going to roll VistA's EHR out to every doctor in the country and cut checks from the regional processing centers avoiding the extra costs incurred by your "customers". You had a good run. Now TS and FU."


Which is exactly the endgame of Obamacare.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 8:52:38 PM   
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Good? I mean, aren't we all tired of paying for health insurance companies profits without any actual benefit from it?

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 9:10:38 PM   
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Good? I mean, aren't we all tired of paying for health insurance companies profits without any actual benefit from it?


There are benefits for truly insurable health events, just as there are benefits to all forms of insurance. Unfortunately health insurance developed in an era where it was primarily a tax game, and now people expect it to be first dollar coverage, which is asinine.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 9:16:56 PM   
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Just a hint, O59.  If you are going to quote my posts, maybe try reading them?



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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 9:25:20 PM   
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Good? I mean, aren't we all tired of paying for health insurance companies profits without any actual benefit from it?


I don't know what you are talking about.  I have a VERY good health care plan.  It is pricey but I have had to rely on it.  They have spent more on me than I have on them. I'm very happy with my health insurance.  It is money well spent.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 9:28:18 PM   
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He was given the option of court-martial and serving time at Leavenworth Federal Prison or copping a plea and retiring.


He should have been lauded as a hero for doing everything he could to protect the lives of his men given intelligence of an impending attack that Hamoodi was likely to have information.

Oooh he fired a gun near his head. Big fucking deal.



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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 9:31:15 PM   
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There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?

Anyone who loves a man who disgraced the uniform of the US Army is a pathetic excuse for an American.

...Who are you talking about?

The House GOP's desperate choice for desperate times.
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The most famous thing about Allen West--a former high-ranking African American Army officer--is that he was accused by the military in 2003 of abusing an Iraqi detainee. The fact that he is now the Republican nominee for Congress in an ostensibly competitive district speaks volumes about the current state of the GOP...

West was on track for a generalship when his unit was assigned in August 2003 to interrogate an Iraqi policeman who had supposedly turned Benedict Arnold. The policeman refused to cooperate, so West dragged him outside, pushed his head into the sand, and fired a gun next to his face to get him to sing.

He was given the option of court-martial and serving time at Leavenworth Federal Prison or copping a plea and retiring. Like many other criminals before him and since, West took the plea bargain. He retired.


ooooo...a candidate with balls.  Ok...sorry, Fight, just like the rest of your liberal nonsense, if you think I am going to dislike a candidate (Dem or Repub or Independent) for roughing up an  Iraqi, you are wrong.  I guess you have never over reacted.  I guess you have never gotten into a fight, Fight?  People do shit, the Iraqi wasn't hurt and West is a good man.  Now if you are going to tell me that West was raping 12 year olds (or anyone for that matter) or was convicted of  thievery, then I might subscribe to your argument.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/27/2011 9:48:25 PM   
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Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 


For me at least, because he's not liberal enough ;)


That's pretty much it. If Obama's such a fucking socialist, why didn't he just nationalize healthcare?


He tried.  And it failed miserably.  ObamaCare was his fall back but Pelosi and Reid pushed hard for single-payer.

What is so funny...pathetic too....is that you libs...you "good Americans"....would support something like ObamaCare rather than explore every other option that would enable the private sector to service the country.  Rather than even give a thought to allowing a private enterprise REMAIN private, you were all far too happy to see it get nationalized...or should I say, see the first major step towards nationalization take place.  Why wasn't portability explored?  Why can't a person in NJ buy a policy from Alaska?  Or even Italy for that matter? 

I don't think a good many of you even know what health insurance is.  If you have diabetes, you don't get health insurance, did you know that????  What you get is a disease management policy.  "Insurance" is to protect you from something that might or might not happen.  If you have a chronic ailment, there is no "might".  Right??? 

Health care rationing is all through ObamaCare.  The difference is that more people of a younger age will be using it and so more people of a younger age will be susceptible to health care rationing.  Congratulations.  Sounds like a great plan!

Once upon a time, I didn't have health care coverage.  As time went on, I realized that I needed it.  I found a job that had benefits and I got it.  But then I got fired because [and I know you guys aren't going to believe this!!!] I wasn't a team player.  So they said, at least, but fuck them.  So...I was without health care coverage once again only this time I was 30.  I went on without health care until I was 34.  I got a very nice policy and it was $224.00 per month.  I should have gotten it when I was 30 because even 4 years earlier, I spent more money on drinking and chasing pussy than the premium would have cost me.

I hope that O'scumbag care gets defunded.  I hope we see fair minded people come up with a plan to invigorate the private sector health insurance business.  There was a chart that was posted that said insurance companies average a profit of 7% per year.  Does that seem like HUGE profits, folks?   Once again, the people that Obama Care will benefit are people that will not pay any portion of the 500 billion dollar tax increase that Obama Care is.  AND THAT is another reason I want a flat tax and a vat tax.  You people want these entitlements?  That's fine but we should all pay the same percentage of our income to have them.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 3:56:05 AM   
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Just remember that O'Bummer is a big war hero now for single-handedly aprehending Osama Bin Laden, using only his teeth and his bare hands

Keep telling yourself that

Our CIC is farce in the face of terrorism

Err, I mean fierce

Fierce in the face of terrorism... 

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He was given the option of court-martial and serving time at Leavenworth Federal Prison or copping a plea and retiring.


He should have been lauded as a hero for doing everything he could to protect the lives of his men given intelligence of an impending attack that Hamoodi was likely to have information.

Oooh he fired a gun near his head. Big fucking deal.




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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 5:27:15 AM   
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Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 


For me at least, because he's not liberal enough ;)



This. Anybody who thinks Obama is a liberal doesn't know the meaning of the word. Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo, ending the Bush tax cuts (which were supposed to be temporary anyway), a public option and a host of other things he on which he has reversed course. Of course, there is a long line of things he has accomplished, like getting the repeal of DADT, but not enough that matter to most of us liberals. Gitmo, the wars, health care and economy and Obama's campaigning on those issues were what got him elected. His poor performance in governance of those issues is what just might send him out of office.


I think it's called shooting yourself in the foot.

I would have liked to see more too, but you don't give him enough credit for what he has accomplished.

So keep bitching and moaning while liberals put Michele Bachmann in office.





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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 5:30:57 AM   
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When I was young I used to read the "Tales from the Crypt" graphic novel. In there was a story that began mere seconds after an obsessive compulsive man had just murdered another man in his own home. The victim had served him dinner and given him a tour of his house, so all throughout the place he had left his finger prints on many things including silverware and antiques.

He decided that he had to clean everything he had touched before the police arrived, so he spent all night cleaning so obsessively that the following morning the cops arrived to find him still at the crime scene, engrossed to the point of ignoring their presence entirely. By the end of the story, as the cops were leading him out into the squad car he stopped, took a napkin out of his pocket and cleaned the very last thing: the doorknob. Then, smiling madly he gave the door a triumphant slam and followed the policeman off to jail.

The crux of the story was that his paranoia had driven him so mad that he became obsessed with the task itself and lost sight of why he was doing it in the first place.


First, let me give some quotes from Mitch McConnell:

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for Obama to be a one-term president."

and

"I refuse to help Obama get reelected by marching republicans into a position where we have co-ownership of a bad economy"

And here's a quote from Donald Trump just the other day, suggesting that the GOP should let the default happen so that Obama won't get elected:

"Frankly the Republicans would be crazy unless they get 100 percent of the deal that they want right now to make any deal"


"When it comes time to default, they’re not going to remember any of the Republicans' names. They are going to remember in history books one name, and that’s Obama."

Now why do I include Donald Trump even though he's not a political player? One, because I do believe that his approach exemplifies the strategy of the Republican party to an extent and two, because Fox News, an important branch of the republican party has decided for some reason to give him a platform on-air to spew his verbal waste.

The START treaty. The Debt Ceiling. Do you know what these things have in common? They used to be pretty much routine and now they're not. The people in the GOP voted 19 times to raise the debt ceiling under Bush. Why is it so hard now?

Because the Republicans have lost sight completely of their vow to serve the country. The reason for their being has become to oppose Obama on everything. EVERYTHING. And they are willing to let us go into default, something that has never happened before, they are willing to hold the world economy hostage to stop Obama from doing anything that might help him in 2012. They are more worried about Obama getting elected than the welfare of the American people.


The obsessive man from the story is the GOP. The "task" is complete shutdown of Obama. They are so obessed that when the default leads us away in to the squad car, perhaps they'll be smiling madly too.


VioletGray's questioning of why the GOP voted to raise the debt ceiling 19 times but refused to do it a 20th time is quite interesting.

Unfortunately, she's not going to like the answer: We, as a nation, cannot continue to fund the spending status quo. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Violet, it may interest you to know that right now the taxes collected per year only covers about 2/3rds of the existing federal budget--that's a shortfall which means we're spending money we don't have. So where is the final 1/3rd coming from to cover the shortfall? Well we're borrowing from China and the Federal Reserve is printing money out of thin air. This vast over-printing of paper money does two things: drives down the actual value of the currency and causes inflation to rise. Why should you care about the value of our currency and inflation? Because those two metrics greatly affect you, me and everyone else's spending power; and makes the cost of living increase across the board, which makes life harder for nearly everyone--especially those at the lower end of the socieo-economic scale. We can't afford to maintain the spending status quo and we certainly can't default on our debt due to the disastrous ramifications it would have. So what's the solution? The only solution we as a nation have is to raise the debt ceiling--again--and then commit to and follow through on spending cuts. Unfortunately, neither party is willing to do that. Republicans, when they're on the campaign trail, talk a great game of cutting spending, smaller government, et al, but when they get into office they fall right into line with the tax and spend mantra of the socialist liberal left. If I had my way I would cut as many people off the Social Security rolls as I could and I would eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. Medicare and Medicaid are two bloated social welfare programs that are simply out of control and the time to cut the cord is now. Back to Social Security...the only people who should be receiving Social Security are the ones who have worked and paid into it for 40+ years. Simply put, I would do an exhaustive audit and anyone who doesn't fit that single eligibility criteria would stop receiving benefits immediately. Furthermore, I'd cut all spending in the federal budget by 25% or more across the board. The last thing I would do is lower taxes to actually increase and provide companies with incentives to grow and expand which would create more jobs, which would mean more people would be paying taxes and the government would have more money in its coffers despite the lower taxes overall. See here's the thing that nobody on the left seems to understand: You can decry the "evil" rich all you want, you can say that they don't "pay" their "fair" share. When the truth of the matter is that if you want people at the bottom of society to benefit financially those at the top have to also benefit because they are the ones who make all jobs possible.

And finally, apparently when VioletGray talks about the "Obama obessed GOP" she has no memory or recollection of the sheer hateful vitriol the liberal left obsessively spewed at Bush II for eight years--or Bush I and Ronald Reagan before that. Or maybe she's typical of left-wing zealots who see no problem with throwing stones at the "opposition" but then has the tamarity to cry foul when the "opposition" casts stones at someone she supports.

Bottom line: 1) This once great nation is totally fucked because we have elected representatives on both sides of the isle that are too spineless to tell their constituency no when it comes to spending and 2) some really tough times are coming if we continue our tax and spend ways.

One truism of politics: Pork-barrel spending is spending done in someone else's dictrict.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 5:33:43 AM   
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It's sad that the GOP is held hostage by the far right wing Tea Party members and the left is held hostage by the far left entitlement junkies.  And there's little sanity in between, the only place where there is viable sanity.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 5:44:56 AM   
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I couldn't agree more.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 5:45:21 AM   
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He was given the option of court-martial and serving time at Leavenworth Federal Prison or copping a plea and retiring.


He should have been lauded as a hero for doing everything he could to protect the lives of his men given intelligence of an impending attack that Hamoodi was likely to have information.

Oooh he fired a gun near his head. Big fucking deal.

He had very good reason to not believe the claims against Hamoodi. He had absolutely no right to discharge his weapon. He lied about the matter in his official report.

He is a complete disgrace to the uniform. He should have faced the Court which would have convicted him on all counts and sent him to Leavenworth for the rest of his life.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 5:50:42 AM   
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Wow...you are so myopic.  Obama is a FAR left wing president.  The farthest left of any president since LBJ.  Do you think that maybe..................JUST MAYBE......................there are people that do not believe in entitlements, do not believe in socialism, do not believe in a nanny state, do not believe in cradle to grave public services, do not believe in paying 3 million dollars to a pensioner for 20-25 years of service, do not believe that education should be funded endlessly despite poor performance, do not believe in stimulus packages or nationalizing a car company or the student loan industry, do you not believe that his views are vastly contrary to the principles on which the country was founded that they believe the man to be a threat to the country?  What do you think, Violet? 

Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 

There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?


Hardly, Obama is 'W' II, staying with both wars, staying with the 'temporary' tax cuts. Stayed on to effect socialism for the rich on (nationalized) wall street. Succumbed to a 'surge' in Afghan. Kept GITMO open, the Patriot act, HSL, TSA and most of the rest of Bush's policies.

Obama took his lessons on fiscal matters from the repubs when he discovered that none of that was paid for...for 8 years including a brand new strictly pandering drug benefit. So Obama figured that former VP Cheney was right let's do some good other than war-profiteering...deficits don't matter.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 6:00:37 AM   
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Wow...you are so myopic.  Obama is a FAR left wing president.  The farthest left of any president since LBJ.  Do you think that maybe..................JUST MAYBE......................there are people that do not believe in entitlements, do not believe in socialism, do not believe in a nanny state, do not believe in cradle to grave public services, do not believe in paying 3 million dollars to a pensioner for 20-25 years of service, do not believe that education should be funded endlessly despite poor performance, do not believe in stimulus packages or nationalizing a car company or the student loan industry, do you not believe that his views are vastly contrary to the principles on which the country was founded that they believe the man to be a threat to the country?  What do you think, Violet? 

Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 

There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?


Hardly, Obama is 'W' II, staying with both wars, staying with the 'temporary' tax cuts. Stayed on to effect socialism for the rich on (nationalized) wall street. Succumbed to a 'surge' in Afghan. Kept GITMO open, the Patriot act, HSL, TSA and most of the rest of Bush's policies.

Obama took his lessons on fiscal matters from the repubs when he discovered that none of that was paid for...for 8 years including a brand new strictly pandering drug benefit. So Obama figured that former VP Cheney was right let's do some good other than war-profiteering...deficits don't matter.


What is your post in response to, me or the question?  The question is why there are people that are desperate to see Obama fail.  I answered that question.  I guess from a liberal's viewpoint, YOU answered the question as well.  I'm GLAD he didn't close GITMO, that would have been fucking stupid.  I am sad that the Patriot Act has not expired but I knew when it passed that it likely never would.  You are only half right; he effected socialism for the rich (which W. also did) and he has maintained and increased socialism for the poor!  The only people that have live and deal with capitalism is the every shrinking margin in the center.  All Presidents borrow.  YOUR president has borrowed more in 30 months than any other president.  True of False?  If I'm wrong, show me the President (other than FDR) that borrowed this much (and achieved this little---let's not forget THAT) in a 30 month period.  YOUR president wants to spend another trillion before mid August.

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RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP - 7/28/2011 6:12:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave

VioletGray's questioning of why the GOP voted to raise the debt ceiling 19 times but refused to do it a 20th time is quite interesting.

Unfortunately, she's not going to like the answer: We, as a nation, cannot continue to fund the spending status quo. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


Interesting because it is happening now, with a Democratic president.

Imagine that!

Have you noticed that whichever party is not in power demands fiscal responsibility, until they are back in power.

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And finally, apparently when VioletGray talks about the "Obama obessed GOP" she has no memory or recollection of the sheer hateful vitriol the liberal left obsessively spewed at Bush II for eight years--or Bush I and Ronald Reagan before that. Or maybe she's typical of left-wing zealots who see no problem with throwing stones at the "opposition" but then has the tamarity to cry foul when the "opposition" casts stones at someone she supports.


Now would that hateful vitriol be anything like calling someone a left-wing zealot?

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