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When I was young I used to read the "Tales from the Crypt" graphic novel. In there was a story that began mere seconds after an obsessive compulsive man had just murdered another man in his own home. The victim had served him dinner and given him a tour of his house, so all throughout the place he had left his finger prints on many things including silverware and antiques.

He decided that he had to clean everything he had touched before the police arrived, so he spent all night cleaning so obsessively that the following morning the cops arrived to find him still at the crime scene, engrossed to the point of ignoring their presence entirely. By the end of the story, as the cops were leading him out into the squad car he stopped, took a napkin out of his pocket and cleaned the very last thing: the doorknob. Then, smiling madly he gave the door a triumphant slam and followed the policeman off to jail.

The crux of the story was that his paranoia had driven him so mad that he became obsessed with the task itself and lost sight of why he was doing it in the first place.


First, let me give some quotes from Mitch McConnell:

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for Obama to be a one-term president."

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"I refuse to help Obama get reelected by marching republicans into a position where we have co-ownership of a bad economy"

And here's a quote from Donald Trump just the other day, suggesting that the GOP should let the default happen so that Obama won't get elected:

"Frankly the Republicans would be crazy unless they get 100 percent of the deal that they want right now to make any deal"


"When it comes time to default, they’re not going to remember any of the Republicans' names. They are going to remember in history books one name, and that’s Obama."

Now why do I include Donald Trump even though he's not a political player? One, because I do believe that his approach exemplifies the strategy of the Republican party to an extent and two, because Fox News, an important branch of the republican party has decided for some reason to give him a platform on-air to spew his verbal waste.

The START treaty. The Debt Ceiling. Do you know what these things have in common? They used to be pretty much routine and now they're not. The people in the GOP voted 19 times to raise the debt ceiling under Bush. Why is it so hard now?

Because the Republicans have lost sight completely of their vow to serve the country. The reason for their being has become to oppose Obama on everything. EVERYTHING. And they are willing to let us go into default, something that has never happened before, they are willing to hold the world economy hostage to stop Obama from doing anything that might help him in 2012. They are more worried about Obama getting elected than the welfare of the American people.


The obsessive man from the story is the GOP. The "task" is complete shutdown of Obama. They are so obessed that when the default leads us away in to the squad car, perhaps they'll be smiling madly too.

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Unlike some people, who can say in one post that they want to stop illegal immigration and say in the next that they really don't give a fuck that they're one of the people encouraging illegal immigration by hiring them,

Who might that be?

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Schools? Talk to their parents first. Universal health care? You mean health care that keeps you waiting for knee replacements for 18 months? Cancer treatment/diagonses for 3-6 months? No thanks.

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Unlike some people, who can say in one post that they want to stop illegal immigration and say in the next that they really don't give a fuck that they're one of the people encouraging illegal immigration by hiring them,

Who might that be?

That would be lockedaway.

If so, then you are right in condemning it.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Schools? Talk to their parents first. Universal health care? You mean health care that keeps you waiting for knee replacements for 18 months? Cancer treatment/diagonses for 3-6 months? No thanks.

Yes, I mean the health care that gives people knee replacements in 18 months instead of never. I dont know where that would be.

I don't think people realize that even in countries with national healthcare, private healthcare is still an option and quite a few people have it, myself included. Yeah, so like parents who feel the need to send their kids to private school because the system doesnt work, those with "not so Universal as claimed" healthcare can pay twice

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Yes, I mean the health care that gives people knee replacements in 18 months instead of never. I dont know where that would be.

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

Unlike some people, who can say in one post that they want to stop illegal immigration and say in the next that they really don't give a fuck that they're one of the people encouraging illegal immigration by hiring them,

Who might that be?

That would be lockedaway.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Schools? Talk to their parents first. Universal health care? You mean health care that keeps you waiting for knee replacements for 18 months? Cancer treatment/diagonses for 3-6 months? No thanks.

Yes, I mean the health care that gives people knee replacements in 18 months instead of never.

I don't think people realize that even in countries with national healthcare, private healthcare is still an option and quite a few people have it, myself included.

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naw bro i just said it was late. lol

and i already called you out for it like hours ago, he just asked who i was referring to.

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I have to agree, Hell Reagan was more liberal the Obama. 

The problem is the right has gone so extreme to the right that even a moderate conservative is considered a "liberal"

My god, you have no clue what youre talking about. Name a few policies of Reagans that are more liberal than Blowboys.

Reagan funded a defense build up not as a conservative like paying for it but as what we'd always been told as a deficit-spending, liberal Keynesian.translate to English please.

He raised payroll taxes (tripled) to sustain that 'liberal' bastion called survival...er soc. sec., in the famous 'reform' that has since been spent by congress. .not even close to tripling, and actually paying for a program is not the bastion of liberals. And of course Congress hasnt spent any Social Security money, they have BORROWED money for their profligate spending, the source is irrelevant.


Reagan very 'liberally' raised taxes three times, the payroll again later and raised the 'conservative' bastion of incentive in a so-called free market...the capital gains tax while very liberally eliminating scores of unproductive tax avoidance in the 86 'reform.' .lol he also reduced the rates when he reformed the tax system, not at all liberal. If you want to argue that supply side economics as a whole was a "liberal" policy just go away now, youre a joke. You are also incorrect, he did not raise capital gains taxes he cut them in his first year or so in office and tried 2 or 3 more times to reduce them further but couldnt get it past the Dem controlled Congress.
Reagan very liberally pulled out of Lebanon not to get bogged down in war. I mean you just know how weak liberals are on 'defense ?'.As blowboy has proven, national defense is not primarily a party/ideology issue, and it was even less so then. However, it might help if you actually understood the Lebanon situation and Congress' actions that precipitated a partial withdrawal.


Now Obama, has NOT raised any payroll, income or cap gains tax..no. he just wants to borrow the money and inflate the currency...a tax on everyone.
Obama has lowered the payroll tax .a temporary gimmick. You cant permanently lower taxes on a system that was already headed to bankruptcy. Dont be an idiot.
and the repubs want it to go back up.

That's right kinkroids, you 'don't raise MY tax say the great fiscal conservatives who then want Obama's payroll tax reduction to expire.

Now that's chutzpah. Tried to but only on those over $250,000, and failed that liberal test. Obama is truly reforming soc. sec but is willing to 'conservatively' consider actually actually cutting long term.

One could go on but for now, I rest my case. .good thing, because you didnt even come close to making one.

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So according to you Reagan didn't understand what he was doing as well as you seem to think you do. 

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Reagan’s Error

July 26, 2011 11:00 A.M. By Yuval Levin  

In making his case for tax increases last night, President Obama described past deals in which Democrats promised spending cuts in return for tax increases, and said:

The first time a deal passed, a predecessor of mine made the case for a balanced approach by saying this: “Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment? And I think I know your answer.” Those words were spoken by Ronald Reagan. But today, many Republicans in the House refuse to consider this kind of balanced approach.

Well, yes, those words were spoken by Ronald Reagan (in August of 1982) in reference to TEFRA—the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act—which congressional Democrats promised would involve a ratio of $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases (which they said would consist only of closing loopholes). TEFRA passed later that year, and the tax increases certainly happened but, as Reagan later put it in his autobiography, “the Democrats reneged on their pledge and we never got those cuts.”  

TEFRA was one of Reagan’s great regrets about his time in the White House, and should serve as a warning to Republicans contemplating similar grand bargains. Obama’s reference to it only highlights the fact that he tried to pull off something much like TEFRA. Luckily, he appears to have failed.

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I could have made money on him wriggling out of his prediction tho:)