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GloriousMorning -> RE: How wide is the disconnect? (8/9/2011 4:53:24 PM)

hmm.. roasty toasty, we all band together now, will there be marshmallows I wonder.

I never said I responded to anyone,  I said I identified what *for me* I am experiencing as a huge disconnect between what a Domme wants, and what a submissive is contributing. Thats all. I didnt mention any names or quote anyone. I repeat, I illustrated what type of disconnect I have experienced, and asked if there was a solution.

Is it possible to impose your will upon some one who clearly doesn`t wish to rise to the occasion, with something even as simple as a phone call.




ElanSubdued -> RE: How wide is the disconnect? (8/9/2011 5:18:03 PM)

Peon,

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You've *never* sounded like a 'jaded, elitist prick' before!


I was using the phrase JEP for literary emphasis.  I feel there is sometimes a significant disconnect between dominants and submissives, and I believe this crosses genders and roles.  This has nothing to do with BDSM and everything to do with BDSM.  As is the case when walking into a casino, the lights and money become addictive.  With kink, we substitute endorphins, power dynamics, and play.  But, the effect is the same.  The arena often draws people in and it encourages addiction.

All to often, when meeting, I find kinky folks (whether intentionally or accidentally, cognitively or without perception) become focused on BDSM and not on the essential, positive, balanced, human qualities that make up loving, fulfilling, long-lasting relationships and life.  To me, that's the disconnect and it causes submissives to natter on about their fetishes and dominants have their own version of this.

When I meet a dominant woman, I'm not actually interested in her fetishes (at least initially and past basic compatibility) until she engages me as a person and chemistry develops such that we'd both want to share these aspects of our personage.  But, on sites like Collar Me (and sometimes at real life BDSM events too), the reverse seems to take precedence.  Kink is engaged and advertised full-on and the humanity of the people behind the kink gets minimal stage time.

Every dominant I've ever met feels sadness and sometimes cries, men and women alike.  And yet, we still have this absurd notion of things dominants do versus things submissives do, as though the two are fundamentally different and as though we are fundamentally different from our vanilla counterparts.  This is ridiculous!  We're all people and as such, for the most part, we laugh, love, communicate, feel sadness, feel pain, experience joy, and each have somewhat unique preferences.  The specific details of how each person experiences these may be slightly different, but I don't see kinky people (and within kinky people, those on the top versus those on the bottom) as being anything other than just people.  This is frequently lost amongst the clutter of whips, chains, and chastity (the trinity isn't meant to imply my tastes... rather, I just like the alliteration) and to me this is the biggest disconnect I feel in BDSM.

So, to summarize, I don't feel it's a matter of specific BDSM roles consistently attracting certain personality types, though it's tempting to think of it this way.  Rather, I believe the disconnect is one where the humanity of all participants is often lost due to the flashing lights and "role the dice, get a quick payout" mentality brought on by the arena and it's addictive qualities.

Elan.




PeonForHer -> RE: How wide is the disconnect? (8/9/2011 6:17:37 PM)

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I believe the disconnect is one where the humanity of all participants is often lost due to the flashing lights and "role the dice, get a quick payout" mentality brought on by the arena and it's addictive qualities.


For what it's worth - by thunder, I think you've got it, old boy! It boils down to the fact that we all need to treat people as humans, and 'in the round'. Well, I think you were right to blow that trumpet. It's a trumpet that a lot of people, of both sexes and both sides of the kneel, could do with hearing.




LadyConstanze -> RE: How wide is the disconnect? (8/9/2011 6:23:16 PM)

You just wait, the guys who don't want to be treated as persons because it would interfere with their kink will have you ;)




ElanSubdued -> RE: How wide is the disconnect? (8/9/2011 6:29:01 PM)

LadyConstanze,

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You just wait, the guys who don't want to be treated as persons because it would interfere with their kink will have you ;)


Well, of course.  Clearly I'm showing intolerance for people's kinks. :-)




LadyAngelika -> RE: How wide is the disconnect? (8/10/2011 7:22:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I believe the disconnect is one where the humanity of all participants is often lost due to the flashing lights and "role the dice, get a quick payout" mentality brought on by the arena and it's addictive qualities.


For what it's worth - by thunder, I think you've got it, old boy! It boils down to the fact that we all need to treat people as humans, and 'in the round'. Well, I think you were right to blow that trumpet. It's a trumpet that a lot of people, of both sexes and both sides of the kneel, could do with hearing.


He absolutely got it. I think the first thing is to stop thinking of each other as tops and bottoms and start seeing each other as humans.

Smart men, the pair of you ;-)




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