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Aynne88 -> RE: Who else carries? (8/18/2011 10:08:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster Really glad I am never going to meet you Aynne. Do you really not make any distinction between a killer/rapist and someone sneaking in to steal your i pod and kick your dog? You would really kill someone to protect a laptop or a phone? Can you tell me in that moment how I would logically differentiate when they are breaking my door in? Because I don't posses that skill I guess. Risk I am not going to take, thanks.

Aynne88 -> RE: Who else carries? (8/18/2011 10:11:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Arieno Indeed what occurs after taking the life of another human being is very like an unceasing plague hauntingly recalling visions you unsuccessfully try to justify. We may call it the unseen casualties of war or a rightful end for that bastard sneak thief that robbed and raped my sister or plundered my home. But we live with it every day of our lives and that is a hell of a price to pay... Getting beaten and raped is a high price to have to pay for some slob thinking only about himself and how he'll feel afterward if he interferes. K. Yes exactly Kirata.

Termyn8or -> RE: Who else carries? (8/18/2011 10:11:57 PM)
I would kill them for just coming in uninvited. I don't care if they wanted a cup of sugar, or a pencil. It doesn't matter if it's a Learjet of a piece of toilet paper. Dead. And I'll look their Momma in the eyes and tell her that she shoulda taughtem better. T^T

Edwynn -> RE: Who else carries? (8/18/2011 10:21:38 PM)
quote: You assume that anybody who is not "anti-gun" is a gun owner. quote: ORIGINAL: joybaby Nope. I'm not assuming any such thing, ... quote: quote: ORIGINAL: joybaby so i was wondering- of those people on here who are NOT anti-gun, what kind/kinds of guns do you have, ... OK, if you say so. And I most certainly did not say or even imply that every gun owner lives a fear-based life. I made a clear distinction there. quote: ...some of us think you're pretty silly for thinking nothing bad is ever going to happen to you or your family. As far as having "nothing bad is ever going to happen in your life," there are a multitude of bad things that can happen in one's life where a gun could not have prevented nor remedied the occurrence. The fact that the majority of families survive all sorts of mishaps and "bad things" in the absence of guns in the house would prove to make your statements actually quite silly, before you go accusing anyone else of such.

Aynne88 -> RE: Who else carries? (8/18/2011 10:25:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I would kill them for just coming in uninvited. I don't care if they wanted a cup of sugar, or a pencil. It doesn't matter if it's a Learjet of a piece of toilet paper. Dead. And I'll look their Momma in the eyes and tell her that she shoulda taughtem better. T^T Yep. Cause it's my house and my shit. I hear ya Termy. I am not going to play guessing games with a goddamn intruder. Jesus people, really? Edited to add that you might as well tell me to vote republican or becom a fundamentalist becasue they both have about as much chance as me not protecting my home. It's not that big of a deal and the people that think it's because we live in fear are just wrong. I live in a yuppie upscale little tourist town in coastal Maine, there is hardly any crime here and I don't lock my door half the time, so that isn't it. I grew up with guns, I have a military upbringing, I am a woman, I can't physically overpower a man, and shit happens. I am comfortable with guns, it's my right, pick a reason, who cares, I own them, and I will use them. Simple.

joybaby -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 4:58:10 AM)
Heavy sigh. Ok, let me clarify, and then-if my posts bother you so much, why don't you just ignore them? I wanted opinions/reviews from people who are not anti gun, AND who own guns. Or have used them enough to have formed opinions on them. I realize that not being anti gun doesn't necessarily mean that you own one. I'm not anti-extended cab dually, but i don't yet own one, so I couldn't give you my opinion on which one to buy. Yes, of course there are situations where a gun isn't going to help. A few people have said things like, if I was that worried I'd move, etc.,....good luck with that. Of course some places are more dangerous than others, but the fact is that crime can happen pretty much anywhere. Oops, i said pretty much-I'd better clarify that-crime can happen anywhere. Remember that home invasion in Connecticut, where the home owner (a doctor) was the only survivor? His wife and two daughters were killed. I'm pretty sure most people would feel safe living in such a neighborhood. And why is it perfectly acceptable for some of us to be prepared to protect ourselves against animals, but not against human predators?

rulemylife -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 5:31:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife When seconds count, the police are minutes away ;-) If I hear that phrase one more time on these gun threads I'm going to have to get a gun and shoot myself. Let's just parrot what the NRA says. [8\|] When seconds count, the police are minutes away You do know that you are going to be held responsible for my suicide.

lovmuffin -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 6:10:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife When seconds count, the police are minutes away ;-) If I hear that phrase one more time on these gun threads I'm going to have to get a gun and shoot myself. Let's just parrot what the NRA says. [8\|] When seconds count, the police are minutes away You do know that you are going to be held responsible for my suicide. You mean I get all the credit ?

Edwynn -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 12:15:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joybaby I'm not anti-extended cab dually, but i don't yet own one, so I couldn't give you my opinion on which one to buy. Sorry, I see now that I was not the most helpful there. But since no one else was either, here is an article introducing some of the basics: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849728/posts Please note that the biggest rounds do not by themselves necessarily make for the best stopping power, and if one can get even the second round off, stopping power of a single bullet/gun becomes less of a consideration. Ease of use or more immediate availability and near-instant-use capacity of such protection should be in consideration also. Just learn what the difference is between having the safety on or not having one in the chamber with the safety off, and you'll be OK. (as will the rest of us)

hardcybermaster -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 2:13:08 PM)
yes, you have to learn the best way to kill people

Edwynn -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 2:15:36 PM)
I'm not in favor of that either, truth be told. But I am not other people, and I am not in their situation.

lovmuffin -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 2:40:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: joybaby I'm not anti-extended cab dually, but i don't yet own one, so I couldn't give you my opinion on which one to buy. Sorry, I see now that I was not the most helpful there. But since no one else was either, here is an article introducing some of the basics: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849728/posts Please note that the biggest rounds do not by themselves necessarily make for the best stopping power, and if one can get even the second round off, stopping power of a single bullet/gun becomes less of a consideration. Ease of use or more immediate availability and near-instant-use capacity of such protection should be in consideration also. Just learn what the difference is between having the safety on or not having one in the chamber with the safety off, and you'll be OK. (as will the rest of us) Of course we know the difference. Better advice is to be completely familiar with your weapon. Your safety concern only pertains to single action semi automatics. Those who prefer semi autos but not single action semi autos (most I think), have double action or double action only semi autos which are safer by design and for tactical purposes, are generally loaded for carrying in a different manor.

Edwynn -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 2:58:56 PM)
There will never be any doing away with gun ownership in the US. The best we can hope for is better education or fundamental understanding of the situation at hand in that regard. That is what is sorely lacking here. Even if just to overlook the fact that one potential GF was dismissed for consideration immediately upon informing me that she had no idea the situation of the safety switch or any clue of what was in the chamber or not in the gun she had at her bedside having killed that prospect right away. Or the guy who somehow allowed his 8 year old son to shoot himself in the head with an automatic weapon of whatever sort, (Uzi in this instance, possible future Christmas present we might suppose) and that allowed any weapon to be loaded at all at such an event in public at a gun show, who were themselves too stupid to ever allow any gun to be loaded at all, much less having any ammunition at all in such situation ....... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/#.Tk7gZajp7FY Please note the "under adult supervision" part of the story there. OK, I'm done here for the moment.

Edwynn -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 3:03:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: joybaby I'm not anti-extended cab dually, but i don't yet own one, so I couldn't give you my opinion on which one to buy. Sorry, I see now that I was not the most helpful there. But since no one else was either, here is an article introducing some of the basics: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849728/posts Please note that the biggest rounds do not by themselves necessarily make for the best stopping power, and if one can get even the second round off, stopping power of a single bullet/gun becomes less of a consideration. Ease of use or more immediate availability and near-instant-use capacity of such protection should be in consideration also. Just learn what the difference is between having the safety on or not having one in the chamber with the safety off, and you'll be OK. (as will the rest of us) Of course we know the difference. I somewhat trust that you personally know the difference. Unfortunately, I have seen firsthand that there is a long list of others who do not, and hardly have any interest in the matter in any case.

joybaby -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 5:17:59 PM)
Thank you for the link, but I already own a gun. I wasn't asking what i should buy, as if i didn't know anything about guns....I was just curious as to what other gun owners liked or didn't like about theirs. I know how to handle them and I'm very cautious. I can target shoot on my property, so I can, literally, walk out my door and practice any time I want to. I know at all times whether or not it's loaded, whether or not there's a round in the chamber (although of COURSE I always handle it as if it's loaded). I'm amazed that anyone would keep a gun in their house if they didn't even know the basics....but that doesn't mean we're all that dense.

Edwynn -> RE: Who else carries? (8/19/2011 6:53:19 PM)
quote: I somewhat trust that you personally know the difference. Unfortunately, I have seen firsthand that there is a long list of others who do not, and hardly have any interest in the matter in any case. As I said. Others than yourself are involved. That reality thing there ...

Aswad -> RE: Who else carries? (8/20/2011 12:03:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 After reading your reply several times I still can't make any sense of it. I'm having difficulties understanding what you didn't understand, but I will attempt to explain this very carefully. Please don't take it as partonizing, I'm just trying to be very clear here. I got shot at close range. The shooters were very young kids. They didn't know the rifle was loaded. They had no idea of the danger and did not intend to shoot me. They were simply irresponsible. They found it in a house they broke into. Breaking in was illegal. They were very young, and thought of it as simple mischief. If the rifle had been secured, the accident would not have happened. If the owner had been in the house, he would have had control over his rifle. He wasn't in the house. Therefore, he did not have control over his rifle. And he can only need his rifle when he and his rifle are in the same house. When he is away from his rifle, he should secure it. When he returns to his rifle, he can unsecure it again so it is ready for use. Many things can happen to a rifle when the owner is not around. The owner can avoid most of those things by only having the rifle ready when he is in the same house as the rifle. In this way, the owner can reduce the chances of someone using his rifle to shoot a bystander. I hope it is clearer now. Otherwise, maybe someone else can explain what I meant in my post (#128 on pg 7). Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: Who else carries? (8/20/2011 12:09:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 geeze,. you see someone playing with a rifle and you try to deal with it yourself instead of calling the police that know how to deal with situations like that? of course it being friggin loaded was a possibility.. anyone playing around with a rifle, you think they got any brains? Kids, teejay... kids. I didn't want them blowing their head off with it. They were far too young to know the danger they were in, and I was acutely aware of it. Health, al-Aswad.

tj444 -> RE: Who else carries? (8/20/2011 12:31:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 geeze,. you see someone playing with a rifle and you try to deal with it yourself instead of calling the police that know how to deal with situations like that? of course it being friggin loaded was a possibility.. anyone playing around with a rifle, you think they got any brains? Kids, teejay... kids. I didn't want them blowing their head off with it. They were far too young to know the danger they were in, and I was acutely aware of it. Health, al-Aswad. ok, better they blew yours off then, i guess... i guess parents over there dont teach their kids any better than parents over here do.. if they were "punk kids" as you called them, they dont sound that young and the cops (with protective gear) should have been called in. If they know there is a gun involved, i would expect them to be there very quickly.. and then maybe no one would have been shot.

Aswad -> RE: Who else carries? (8/20/2011 1:40:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster yes, you have to learn the best way to kill people No, but it doesn't hurt, either. A few dozen ways sprang to mind right away. Guns are a small part of the list. If I were to carry, which would be an insane amount of paperwork and massive forfeiture of lots of civil rights with no guarantee of ever getting a carry permit (it's restricted to special circumstances), I would get an FN Five-Seven and get some SF folks to train me in its use, and pick up a box of the non-civilian rounds for it, as my main reason for carrying would be to intervene when other people are in danger. It really would've done me no good those few times I've been on the wrong end of a barrel, after all. Anyway, knowing how to kill well isn't a prelude to killing. Every human being knows how to kill, and the most common way is with a car, handled irresponsibly. Knowledge of how to kill well, by which I mean efficiently and with a minimum of risk to oneself and others, and being willing to do so when it's called for, is a deterrent when the other party is sober and not hell-bent on killing you or someone else. It's also a natural conclusion to the spectrum of force which can be applied in response to a threat, with most cases being handled at the opposite end of the spectrum. There's no reason someone should die because they've had a bad day, unless they pose a credible and immediate threat of death or grievous bodily harm to me or mine or those around me. But there's also no reason I should refrain from taking the most efficient route to ending a threat to myself or my loved ones. And learning ways to do that with a gun, a knife, my body or a nearby object without introducing additional risk, is the responsible thing to do. A lot of the time, that also preserves the life of the attacker, as a consequence of seeing a wide spectrum of solutions. The simplest way my love ever stopped an attempted rape didn't require anything other than pulling out of his grip (trivial, regardless of strength) and being ready to put up a fight. Sometimes, that's not enough. Most of the time, it is. The vast majority of women I know who have been targetted by rapists sort into two categories: the ones that let it happen, and the ones that didn't. A few didn't get a choice in the matter. Many did, and chose to stop it. Most who got a choice, however, chose to let it happen. Guns figure into this picture about as prominently as honesty figures in politics, i.e. not enough to make a difference. Without the willingness to stop it, a gun is just one more thing for the attacker to use. Knowing a few ways to kill well, and a few ways to hurt, can open up a lot of options. Being willing to use the most appropriate option solves a lot of problems. That's my version of Kirata's seatbelt analogy of preparedness. Guns are four point racedriver seatbelts in an old Saab. An airbag is a better investment, IMO. YMMV. Health, al-Aswad.

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