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prostitution/integrity poll


prostitute = no integrity
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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:04:52 AM   
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You are making assumptions. Wrong assumptions based upon your own filters. Those filters speak of your intent, not mine, since you have no way of knowing my intent or my filters.

Do you think it could be my fear of prostitutes?



I have no way of knowing your personal shit. Whether you want to believe it or not, my post was very generic based. I was drawing from my history of reading here, other places, news, conversations with people over decades, knowing one prostitute very well in my personal life, others I've talked to, their descriptions of the men AND women they have provided services to, documentaries on the subject, etc.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:07:33 AM   
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How easily you forgive someone their mistakes depends a lot on the circumstances: how big the ethical compromise was, how many times it happened, and what droven the person to do it. i imagine most people are driven to prostitution out of desperation, and many were victims of abuse. That is a mitigating factor. Add to the equation the fact that prostitution does NOT represent an ethical compromise for some people, but rather a straight business deal, and it isn't always illegal. i'm not sure it's a wise career choice, but does it necessarily mean compromised integrity? No, that depends on the circumstances. Which is why i voted "it depends on the circumstances".

pam

Why do you think people gravitate to prostitution instead of looking for other jobs.

Not my normal approach here but let's do away with the ole obvious here. I know there are many variables and reason for such...just asking your opinion. AND I know it's probably the case already that they might look for other jobs BEFORE they hook...


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:11:14 AM   
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I have no way of knowing your personal shit. Whether you want to believe it or not, my post was very generic based. I was drawing from my history of reading here, other places, news, conversations with people over decades, knowing one prostitute very well in my personal life, others I've talked to, their descriptions of the men AND women they have provided services to, documentaries on the subject, etc.

That was me being facetious and a little mocking BTW.

When it comes to non-ulterior motives for posting.. I believe you're in the 65% range when it comes to men. (Comeback time)


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:15:58 AM   
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Why do you think people gravitate to prostitution instead of looking for other jobs.


i think that they usually start before they're old enough to get another job. i think they suddenly find themselves in dire straights, in need of money fast, and without the skills to do much else.


ETA: And then there are the people who think there's nothing wrong with using their body to make money.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:25:49 AM   
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I have no way of knowing your personal shit. Whether you want to believe it or not, my post was very generic based. I was drawing from my history of reading here, other places, news, conversations with people over decades, knowing one prostitute very well in my personal life, others I've talked to, their descriptions of the men AND women they have provided services to, documentaries on the subject, etc.

That was me being facetious and a little mocking BTW.

When it comes to non-ulterior motives for posting.. I believe you're in the 65% range when it comes to men. (Comeback time)



I shall let you create one. I am sure it will be vastly different than the intent of whatever I should write, but you would tweak that to fit your preconceived mindset anyway.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:26:42 AM   
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Why do you think people gravitate to prostitution instead of looking for other jobs.

it does depend on a persons situation and too, on a girls age and attractiveness, but really, if you can make a couple hundred in an hour versus working for 3 days (after tax, etc) at McDs to get the same amount of cash.. well, imo, no brainer...

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:32:57 AM   
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Why do you think people gravitate to prostitution instead of looking for other jobs.


i think that they usually start before they're old enough to get another job. i think they suddenly find themselves in dire straights, in need of money fast, and without the skills to do much else.


ETA: And then there are the people who think there's nothing wrong with using their body to make money.

pam


It is a topic that has always fascinated me. I struggle to imagine not being dramatically affected in a negative way, because of the mindset I have about anyone being intimate with my body. I don't like most people in MY close, personal space. It is almost impossible for me to imagine sharing such a personally intimate act with someone I wasn't very emotionally close to.

Yet......so many do. With varying degrees of emotional impact. It fascinates me that some are seemingly destroyed by doing it, yet others less so, if at all.

I can remain, and do, completely without any emotional attachment to most people. Very little about other people hits any of my emotional triggers. Yet physical intimacy involves extreme emotional intimacy for ME. The reverse of that is so foreign to me that it really is fascinating.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:42:04 AM   
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i think that they usually start before they're old enough to get another job. i think they suddenly find themselves in dire straights, in need of money fast, and without the skills to do much else.

I was homeless when I was 15, never once did I think of doing something like that to survive. I realize that situations can very greatly but to go that route to me says low self worth. I did however think of stealing... I didn't do it but I thought of it.

As the man hater puts it sorta. That is an intimate thing for me between people and it does mean something when I do it. It means I care enough about the person to share that part of myself with them and that I respect them for it as well.

Sex for money kinda dirties that up on many levels.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:42:45 AM   
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It is a topic that has always fascinated me. I struggle to imagine not being dramatically affected in a negative way, because of the mindset I have about anyone being intimate with my body. I don't like most people in MY close, personal space. It is almost impossible for me to imagine sharing such a personally intimate act with someone I wasn't very emotionally close to.

Yet......so many do. With varying degrees of emotional impact. It fascinates me that some are seemingly destroyed by doing it, yet others less so, if at all.

I can remain, and do, completely without any emotional attachment to most people. Very little about other people hits any of my emotional triggers. Yet physical intimacy involves extreme emotional intimacy for ME. The reverse of that is so foreign to me that it really is fascinating.


To me, its just like casual no strings sex, just that the girl gets the cash rather than a night out being wined and dined. At this point in time for me tho, I am definately not into casual sex at all, I will be celibate until i find my new boyfriend and i wont be jumping into the sack fast with him either. I think kids/young people experiment a lot with sex now and dont put the emotional thing into it as much, or there wouldnt be rainbow parties and girls gone wild and stuff like that...

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:46:34 AM   
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Sex for money kinda dirties that up on many levels.


going out to a movie and dinner and the guy paying dirties it up, to me in the same way. I never went out for dinner with a guy that wasnt already my boyfriend. I just didnt want to be bought and certainly not so cheaply. lol But if a guy spends money on a girl, at some point he wants to be paid back.. so i dont see the difference.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:54:39 AM   
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Sex for money kinda dirties that up on many levels.


going out to a movie and dinner and the guy paying dirties it up, to me in the same way. I never went out for dinner with a guy that wasnt already my boyfriend. I just didnt want to be bought and certainly not so cheaply. lol But if a guy spends money on a girl, at some point he wants to be paid back.. so i dont see the difference.


This post makes me incredibly sad, for so many reasons.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 9:59:47 AM   
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Sex for money kinda dirties that up on many levels.


going out to a movie and dinner and the guy paying dirties it up, to me in the same way. I never went out for dinner with a guy that wasnt already my boyfriend. I just didnt want to be bought and certainly not so cheaply. lol But if a guy spends money on a girl, at some point he wants to be paid back.. so i dont see the difference.


This post makes me incredibly sad, for so many reasons.

why?


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:01:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		It makes me sad that money is perceived to equal pussy, even in the most mundane social interactions. It makes me sad that our companionship is valued so little. It makes me sad to hear women talk that way.



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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:15:50 AM   
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It makes me sad that money is perceived to equal pussy, even in the most mundane social interactions. It makes me sad that our companionship is valued so little. It makes me sad to hear women talk that way.



I cant help it, that is the way i feel.
I have sometimes gotten emails from guys that are successful and they go on about the beautiful house they own on the lake and hes got a boat and blah, blah, blah.. I delete their emails immediately. I dont want a guy that feels he can manipulate me and buy me (cuz sure as shit, he is the kind that will trade a girl in down the road). If i want a friggin beautiful house on the lake, blah, blah blah, i will get it myself. I want a guy that values me for me and knows that its him i want, not any money/house/whatever that he may have.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:18:17 AM   
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It makes me sad that money is perceived to equal pussy, even in the most mundane social interactions. It makes me sad that our companionship is valued so little. It makes me sad to hear women talk that way.



I cant help it, that is the way i feel.
I have sometimes gotten emails from guys that are successful and they go on about the beautiful house they own on the lake and hes got a boat and blah, blah, blah.. I delete their emails immediately. I dont want a guy that feels he can manipulate me and buy me (cuz sure as shit, he is the kind that will trade a girl in down the road). If i want a friggin beautiful house on the lake, blah, blah blah, i will get it myself. I want a guy that values me for me and knows that its him i want, not any money/house/whatever that he may have.


See, to me that is the opposite of what you said in the first place. Are you saying that men are using money as a lure? Or that they expect a return on investment?


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:18:29 AM   
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going out to a movie and dinner and the guy paying dirties it up, to me in the same way. I never went out for dinner with a guy that wasnt already my boyfriend. I just didnt want to be bought and certainly not so cheaply. lol But if a guy spends money on a girl, at some point he wants to be paid back.. so i dont see the difference.

Wow. So we're all after the snatch as payment in the end.



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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:27:50 AM   
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It makes me sad that money is perceived to equal pussy, even in the most mundane social interactions. It makes me sad that our companionship is valued so little. It makes me sad to hear women talk that way.



I cant help it, that is the way i feel.
I have sometimes gotten emails from guys that are successful and they go on about the beautiful house they own on the lake and hes got a boat and blah, blah, blah.. I delete their emails immediately. I dont want a guy that feels he can manipulate me and buy me (cuz sure as shit, he is the kind that will trade a girl in down the road). If i want a friggin beautiful house on the lake, blah, blah blah, i will get it myself. I want a guy that values me for me and knows that its him i want, not any money/house/whatever that he may have.


See, to me that is the opposite of what you said in the first place. Are you saying that men are using money as a lure? Or that they expect a return on investment?


its both. A guy asks a girl out for dinner, you dont really know what his intentions are, are they companionship and getting to know you or are they expecting sex by the third date? If he wants to get to know me, we can do that without him spending money, both can just invest our time. If it leads to a relationship, then great, if it leads to nothing more than just platonic friends, then great. I dont, however, want to feel any obligation or pressure for sex cuz the guy took me out for dinner a couple of times.

Men will use whatever means they can to get pussy. Lots of men use those three little words "I love you" but dont mean it, they just say it to get laid and at some point the girl figures it out. Doesnt that happen a lot too?

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:38:25 AM   
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TJ- let me fill you in on what most men think a dinner date means...

It certainly does NOT mean that sex in return is expected. It does mean that sex is on the table however. From the perspective of most men, buying dinner is a lottery ticket- there's a chance that the person whose company you are hopefully enjoying finds you interesting enough to take you to bed. Buying dinner entitles you to the consideration of sex- but sex is by no means mandatory. Any guy who thinks that dinner entitles him to get laid is a cad and doesn't understand that like most other species, the females choose their mates. Men who think that buying dinner entitles them to sack time don't get how sex in nature functions- and I see very little difference in between mating rituals of most other sentient animals and humans- it's just a matter of degree.

The three date rule now in vogue arose from much trial and error. Simply stated, if a woman has not bedded a guy after three dates, then the likelihood that she will do so on additional dates is quite small. Males wishing to conserve their resources which are to be used to impress females need to look elsewhere. Again, this type of courting behavior is seen in the animal kingdom, along with the female version of the human "let's be friends", i.e. please continue to impress me because I like the goodies, but I'm probably going to have sex with someone else.

I don't know how well prostitution fits into this viewpoint of sex as evolved from the animal kingdom. I guess you could look at prostitutes as females who are subordinate to the senior females of the tribe who command the attention of the most desirable males, and since they can't get the desirable males, mate with less desirable males. Somehow this seems unlikely- it's a cross of less than desirables. In the animal kingdom, subordinate females would still mate with the desirable males, just on the sly, while less than desirable males will mate with anything... Does that really fit?

Pam- some of the reading I've done would suggest that prostitution is less of a choice, and more of a coerced behavior, especially of girls under the age of consent. As Lady C has pointed out, there is a world of difference between a high priced escort because it represents a high paying job, versus a child on the streets who is forced into the profession to avoid homelessness, beatings, etc. Its quite disingenuous to refer to the college educated call girl and the street prostitute as being in the same profession though- there is little data to suggest that street prostitutes can ever rise to the elevated financial situation of call girls.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:43:13 AM   
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going out to a movie and dinner and the guy paying dirties it up, to me in the same way. I never went out for dinner with a guy that wasnt already my boyfriend. I just didnt want to be bought and certainly not so cheaply. lol But if a guy spends money on a girl, at some point he wants to be paid back.. so i dont see the difference.

Wow. So we're all after the snatch as payment in the end.

lol Well, i have had lots of guys after my snatch... she is a very pretty nice snatch..

I dont personally care what anyone else does.. I just know what works and doesnt work for me. If i like a guy and he likes me and we end up in a relationship & love then things change, then he can buy me dinner or some nice lingerie, etc because i know then that i am what he wants, not just my pussy... and he knows its him that i want, not whats in his bank account.. seriously, isnt that what a guy does really want?

I mean, i have been chatting with a guy, he seems nice and all that, he has been divorced for years (split custody of the kids) and his (remarried) ex is coming after him for more $. I am not anything like her, that is not anything i would ever do. Now if you are my potential boyfriend, which girl would you want? Someone like me, or someone like her?

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/19/2011 10:46:17 AM   
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It certainly does NOT mean that sex in return is expected. It does mean that sex is on the table however. Sam

well, i guess thats the thing, i dont want sex on the table.

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