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Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:03:30 AM

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My late brother adopted a child who had been sexually and physically abused since infancy. Thrown down the stairs, burnt with cigarettes, regularly beaten, and god knows what else. Meth head mother and various meth head boy friends. Anyway, from a very young age, this boy has had these incredible melt downs that are triggered by the most minor things. He can be having a perfectly calm conversation, and in the next second, he is screaming and trying to stab you or burn down the house. Without having witnessed it, I wouldn't believe it, but he gets a different look in his eye, and truly does seem like a different person.

On top of that, my bro was apparently reading to him one time, the story of Jesus casting the devils out of the swine, or something like that. The kid looked at him, and said, "I don't want him to hear that." It seems the boy may believe he is being controlled by a different personality.

Is there such a thing as multiple personalities? I have been doing some research on this lately, and there is a lot of controversy. I read some places that MPD is a fairly common thing among abused children, other places that there is no such thing. Has anyone else ever encountered someone they think has multiple personalities? This is a horrible family tragedy, and I am having a hard time getting my head around it.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:09:03 AM

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I would suggest individual and family counseling.

Here is a wiki link for you. I know that is not the best place to get your information from, but it does have most of the terms you will be looking for and links to papers and such.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

You might send Arpig a PM. While he has a different diagnosis, he likely has insight into what type of help is out there and things that you can do to make this little boy feel welcome and not a complete freak.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:14:24 AM

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Wow, MPD and knows it ? Seems like. I hope they find someone really good to help with this.

Sorry, I can't even begin to comment on this except look for someone really good. Don't just go to the phone book. Perhaps someone in here knows someone who has found help for something like this. That's probably the best you can hope for.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:15:47 AM

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While there is some controversy in the psychological community, Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID, formerly MPD), was listed as a diagnosis in the DSM-IV. I'm not sure what the DSM-V has to say about it but I can try to find out if you like. I have a friend who just completed her Master's in a mental health profession. She probably has access to the new version.

It's not unusual for abused children to dissociate - to see the abuse as happening to someone else or to their disconnected body - in order to cope. In fact, everyone dissociates at times. Ever hear of "highway hypnosis"? That's a mild form of dissociation. Not all patients diagnosed with DID have fully formed alternate personalities but I know a few who do. It's rare, but it does happen.

It will be very important to find a good therapist and to be supportive of the child during therapy. His "others" were born to help protect him and it will take time for him to feel safe enough to integrate, if he ever does. Integration isn't always necessary or ideal. His insiders may learn to co-front and work together as a multiple system without full integration.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:26:15 AM

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I probably wasn't clear. There is no helping this kid, he has been institutionalized since he was 9. Now that my brother is dead, the kid is never going to leave the institution, my brother's widow is afraid of him, and I don't blame her. Can you imagine what someone that out of control would be like when they were 16, if the entire town is scared of him when he is 9? He is profoundly and irretrievably damaged and dangerous.

I was just curious if MPD is real, because it sure seemed that way to me. I know it is a disfavored diagnosis in the psychiatric community, but that doesn't make it not real.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:31:26 AM

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That's so sad. It sounds like at least one of his insiders has reactive attachment disorder on top of everything else. I understand not wanting to deal with all of the boy's issues, but it still makes me sad. The multiple systems I know are very high functioning but it took them years to get there. Poor kid.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:35:18 AM

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I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Are you looking for opinions on the matter or just those who have first hand knowledge of the condition?

For the record, even with it being a diagnosis that isn't often supported, I do believe that it does exist in some cases. I fully believe that the mind, just like the body, will do what it needs to do to protect itself.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:41:58 AM

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Either, ladypact. I suppose I am interested in others who have observed something similar.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:46:13 AM

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I think that those two statements are probably the most depressing things I've ever heard, "there is no helping this kid.' and "he is never going to leave the institution.'

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:48:46 AM

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That really sucks. You know I didn't want to say it before, but now I will, that there is a possibility that the kid is actually beyond help.

Motherfuckers who do this shit to a kid should be burned alive.

Drug abuse is no excuse. And jail is too good for them.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:49:03 AM

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I do believe that dissociative instances occur as a way to protect us from trauma. When I was in a very bad car accident, everyone told me that I was awake and providing information necessary, but it was technically 12 hours later, before "I' was aware of what had happened. I don't know how to explain it but to say that the accident was so traumatic that "I' disappeared to a safe place and someone else dealt with it until I was able to. Or, maybe I dealt with it and then filed the memory away where I couldn't retrieve it. I don't know.

It makes sense to me that a child, who faces trauma on a frequent basis, would slip into a dissociative state as a means of protecting themselves from the abuse. I do think that it must be a VERY rare thing, D.I.D, but I do think it is possible that it is possible.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:49:41 AM

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A dr at the last pych hospital I was in because I was under so much stress and couldn't get away from it, he diagnosed me as MPD, because i had been admitted with 2 stuffed toys and a baby bottle. The baby bottle was for me, I drink out of them, however he never asked any questions about it. He decided I had the bottle and believed the toys were real and was feeding them.

I do meet all the check marks for MPD, however my therapist at the time said she does not believe I am MPD, despite fitting the first 7 guidelines, and said the pych dr was just pulling stuff out his ass.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:51:39 AM

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It is definitely something for professionals to help with I think.

A former love of mine was sexually abused from a young age by both her father and older brother. Her mother blamed her for it.

I don't think she had the classic, as we think about it, multiple personality. She never associated as another person, as far as I know, but there were definitely two dramatically different 'her's. Her personality changed, her voice changed and the way she carried herself changed. The complexities of that makes her life difficult and relationships nearly impossible.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 11:55:46 AM

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The one thing I have read about MPD in relation to abused children is that they are usually not violent. My nephew is definitely, without question, violent. Sadly, his miserable excuse of a biological mother never spent a day in jail, although I think one of the boyfriends did.

It is sad that he can never leave the institution. My brother brought him home a few times, because he really loved him and wanted to spend time with him before he died. On every occasion, it was a disaster, and the county sheriff had to restrain the kid and drive him back to the institution.

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Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 12:07:24 PM

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The violence sounds like classic reactive attachment disorder. Unfortunately, RAD extremely difficult to treat, if it can be treated at all. Various insiders of multiple systems often have other psychological issues that are co-morbid, so it's not out of the question that one of his insiders has RAD. However, RAD can look like MPD making a diagnosis difficult. A child can be sweet one minute and act like Linda Blair's character from the Exorcist the next.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 12:11:42 PM

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I know a few people who speak of their "alters", but neither shows the "time travel" aspect of losing the time one or the other alter is in control. It's a tough one.

I feel terrible for that poor child.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 12:15:21 PM

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If the alters co-front or are good at communicating with each other, they may not lose time. It's also possible that the system has chosen one person to be the primary fronter and the insiders only come out at select times or under extreme stress.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 12:19:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

If the alters co-front or are good at communicating with each other, they may not lose time. It's also possible that the system has chosen one person to be the primary fronter and the insiders only come out at select times or under extreme stress.

Really? Interesting. One of the people I am thinking of uses her alters in almost a manipulative way, using them as props. It's both creepy and annoying, since there is no apparent "trigger", just the "oh, that was an alter" excuse after the fact.

Nowt as strange as folk, or the stuff we have to deal with!

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 12:22:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

One of the people I am thinking of uses her alters in almost a manipulative way, using them as props. It's both creepy and annoying, since there is no apparent "trigger", just the "oh, that was an alter" excuse after the fact.

She could very well be faking. I've known people who pretended to have MPD in order to get attention and/or evade taking personal responsibility for their actions.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 12:24:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

One of the people I am thinking of uses her alters in almost a manipulative way, using them as props. It's both creepy and annoying, since there is no apparent "trigger", just the "oh, that was an alter" excuse after the fact.

She could very well be faking. I've known people who pretended to have MPD in order to get attention and/or evade taking personal responsibility for their actions.

Yes, that's what makes it so tough! I don't want to get in someone's face over their Issue, but it stretches credibility, especially in the middle aged. Solution: avoid the person.

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