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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 3:33:46 PM   
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It's true about Scott turning down billions of $$ for a light speed rail, that ultimately would connect us to the north and some states out west.  His bright idea to test welfare recipients for drugs failed, as only 2% failed.  Now the numbers (savings) for reimbursement and what the state saves in not giving benefits to people who fail amounts to $2,000-$4,000 roughly.  When you count in the labor, the paperwork, the analysis and all side expenses, I would venture to say all that effort was just a waste of many power.

http://www.bham.rr.com/news/topicdl/article/dlt/0de43lg5hMdtK/001raupdnddxH/Welfare_drug-testing_yields_2

http://www.kansasfreepress.com/2011/08/drug-testing-welfare-recipients.html

Now, the the applicants had to report to a company to be tested and the state would reimburse the people who did pass the tests.  But the company that was designated to test all the applicants was Scott's wife's company and while he did give up his shares to the company, he gave the shares to his wife.  So it was a win/win situation for Scott, no matter what the outcome.  Either he could prove his "money-saving" law to Floridians and other states, or wind up being reimbursed for all the applicants who passed the test.  He's not only a crook, he's a smart crook!!  He has passed laws on voter suppression, too.  Scott pays $360.00 A YEAR for healthcare.  All florida tax payer funded. 

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2011/08/gov-scott-defends-his-cheap-state-health-coverage.html

He defends it by saying he only has a salary of $0.1  But ya know what?  If I had all those perks and my wife's business making hand over fist money, I wouldn't mind making a penny either.  He knows when he's coming out ahead.  He's shrewd.  He's very shrewed.

I could go on, but google can tell you it all, and it disgusts me.




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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 3:52:37 PM   
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Also Rick Scott got rich having his healthcare companies defraud Medicare/Medicaid so he is pretty much the poster child for self-righteous crony capitalists. 

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 4:07:57 PM   
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Do you simply write bad checks for the things you need, or do you go by a set a budget.

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Why NOT pay for the things we need, tazzy?

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And yet Cantor is tying relief to budget cuts.

Govs are cherry picking what funds they will and wont accept. And the targets of such funds are obvious. Dont see a single state refusing federal monies for business grants.




To be honest, Sanity, I dont get your question. Can you elaborate?


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 4:10:39 PM   
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When it came to government, the state had what they called a rainy day fund. Nice, almost ironic name there wasn't it? None of it came to the flood ravaged section of the state. At least, none that I heard of. What I heard were local radio and TV stations raising hell about it. Maybe some eventually did. I don't know. FEMA came in, but FEMA money was incredibly slow and came in dribbles. Flood damage isn't covered by most insurance policies unless you pay extra for it. The people that hadn't, and whose house had been damaged or outright destroyed were left to the mercy of neighbors. I'm sure FEMA can dig up some shiny statistics, but honestly, I didn't know anyone who benefited from state or federal programs in that sense. Mostly what I saw were neighborhoods banding together and doing a good bit of the work themselves.

I'd imagine a good many of them would still be waiting if they waited on the government. Having said that, I'm quite sure the state would be all over getting federal money.


Edited to add, this is a shitty topic and a shitty post in a time when people may be dying or losing everything they own. I have a daughter not far from the coast of NC who stayed because her husband works the shelters during emergencies. That's where they're planning on spending their weekend.

I guess it's like one vaunted liberal noted not long ago though isn't it? Never let a disaster go to waste.



You mean like you spinning bullshit stories about a disaster?

A couple years ago we had a strong storm that downed some trees on the river near where I live, effectively forming a dam and causing major flooding.

At the time I didn't have flood insurance because I lived on high ground and never thought it would be necessary.

I had a fully furnished basement recreation room with pool table, furniture, bar, full bath, and I ended up with four feet of water destroying it.

The government declared it a national disaster area and we had FEMA agents there in two days.

Three days later I had a check that more than covered the repairs.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 5:10:45 PM   
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I hate excessive government, semi.

Why dont you leave, go to Cuba or North Korea to a little peoples paradise where government dictates every aspect of your life

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You hate the government,Sanity. Why do you even want to live in this country?




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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 5:42:08 PM   
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Do you simply write bad checks for the things you need, or do you go by a set a budget.


Don't know many who don't rob peter to pay paul when a disaster hits. Or are you ok with holding the people hostage to get what a political party wants?

And I would like to see how Iraq or Afghan wars were funded.... How funded Katrina was regardless of the disaster that turned out to be.... The floods of the midwest.... Hugo... Any of the California earthquakes....

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 5:44:37 PM   
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Holding people hostage?

Are you feeling okay? Do you have a fever?

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Do you simply write bad checks for the things you need, or do you go by a set a budget.


Don't know many who don't rob peter to pay paul when a disaster hits. Or are you ok with holding the people hostage to get what a political party wants?


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 5:47:04 PM   
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Holding people hostage?

Are you feeling okay? Do you have a fever?

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Do you simply write bad checks for the things you need, or do you go by a set a budget.


Don't know many who don't rob peter to pay paul when a disaster hits. Or are you ok with holding the people hostage to get what a political party wants?




You need to read up on the Cantor link.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 5:52:31 PM   
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How to expect to be treated seriously, Jo, when you tell such stupid lies, and then build the foundation of your question on them?

Clinton committed perjury.  Not to Congress, but in a legal proceeding, while under oath.  Now whether the case he was involved in should ever have been allowed to proceed while he was in office, and whether the never-ending investigation of his activities was in the best interest of the country are separate issues, but to try and equate his situation with Congress authorizing the Iraq War goes nowhere.

Maybe try an arguement where you aren't extrapolating from a bumper sticker?



Too true it goes nowhere Rich, I dont recall Clinton getting a BJ costing lives.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 5:55:17 PM   
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It's called satire Joey, might wanna look it up... You're mistake, like most liberals is you let feelings dictate your actions instead of fact and logic. Therefore you project your own feelings on conservatives. We don't hate America, or Americans, we just hate the lazy useless leaches living on the government dole.



WTF would you know about facts and logic Rob ? You just the same old far right bullshit which prevaricates both sides of the Atlantic.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 5:56:24 PM   
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How to expect to be treated seriously, Jo, when you tell such stupid lies, and then build the foundation of your question on them?

Clinton committed perjury.  Not to Congress, but in a legal proceeding, while under oath.  Now whether the case he was involved in should ever have been allowed to proceed while he was in office, and whether the never-ending investigation of his activities was in the best interest of the country are separate issues, but to try and equate his situation with Congress authorizing the Iraq War goes nowhere.

Maybe try an arguement where you aren't extrapolating from a bumper sticker?



Too true it goes nowhere Rich, I dont recall Clinton getting a BJ costing lives.


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 6:00:33 PM   
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Aylee, unless Monica was doing a bad job, the last thing on Clintons mind would have been signing off on a missile strike.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 6:27:35 PM   
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Yeah he was too busy contemplating a missile strike of his own.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 6:31:45 PM   
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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 6:46:31 PM   
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Hi, Polite.  Something to keep in mind though is that Clinton knew damn well what had been in Monica when he swore to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, before quibbling over the what the definition of "is," is.  The worst anyone can prove of Bush II was that he could have known better, if his mind wasn't already made up.

Really, this argument is just a lame denial from people who prefer to deny that Congress told Bush to go ahead and invade. 

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 6:51:41 PM   
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Its long since been proved Blair and Bush knew the intel was at best dubious though Rich. You wont find many in the UK, both left and right, who think Blair was truthful.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 6:52:46 PM   
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When it came to government, the state had what they called a rainy day fund. Nice, almost ironic name there wasn't it? None of it came to the flood ravaged section of the state. At least, none that I heard of. What I heard were local radio and TV stations raising hell about it. Maybe some eventually did. I don't know. FEMA came in, but FEMA money was incredibly slow and came in dribbles. Flood damage isn't covered by most insurance policies unless you pay extra for it. The people that hadn't, and whose house had been damaged or outright destroyed were left to the mercy of neighbors. I'm sure FEMA can dig up some shiny statistics, but honestly, I didn't know anyone who benefited from state or federal programs in that sense. Mostly what I saw were neighborhoods banding together and doing a good bit of the work themselves.

I'd imagine a good many of them would still be waiting if they waited on the government. Having said that, I'm quite sure the state would be all over getting federal money.


Edited to add, this is a shitty topic and a shitty post in a time when people may be dying or losing everything they own. I have a daughter not far from the coast of NC who stayed because her husband works the shelters during emergencies. That's where they're planning on spending their weekend.

I guess it's like one vaunted liberal noted not long ago though isn't it? Never let a disaster go to waste.



You mean like you spinning bullshit stories about a disaster?

A couple years ago we had a strong storm that downed some trees on the river near where I live, effectively forming a dam and causing major flooding.

At the time I didn't have flood insurance because I lived on high ground and never thought it would be necessary.

I had a fully furnished basement recreation room with pool table, furniture, bar, full bath, and I ended up with four feet of water destroying it.

The government declared it a national disaster area and we had FEMA agents there in two days.

Three days later I had a check that more than covered the repairs.



Well, sue me rml for being involved in a series of storms that covered the entire southeast where all of Florida, two thirds of Georgia,  and a third of North Carolina were declared disaster areas. I imagine that slowed the response somewhat.

It fucking amazes me how dip shits will pull one friggin line out in an attempt to discredit everything. If you think it bullshit, come visit me. I'll take you and let you talk to the people yourself. I mean hell, put the fuck up or shut up. Either way, this rapidly responding agency is the same one that was castrated publicly the following year for it's wonderful response in New Orleans.

So you had a check in three days.. the only official I saw in three days were a couple of volunteer firemen down at the station. But since you know all about it, come see me. We'll take a ride over and you can spout your bullshit to the actual residents.

I promise, I won't let them hurt you.




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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 7:18:17 PM   
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I'd call my insurance company, pretty much the same way I did when the tornadoes went through. Then again, I'm not a member of the Tea Party. You folks sure as fuck make me want to go join though.

Do you have a question about the hurricane that isn't sycophantically rammed up a democrats ass? If so, you can ask that too.


Well, don't hurricanes always travel...left.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 7:22:26 PM   
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It's called satire Joey, might wanna look it up... You're mistake, like most liberals is you let feelings dictate your actions instead of fact and logic. Therefore you project your own feelings on conservatives. We don't hate America, or Americans, we just hate the lazy useless leaches living on the government dole.



WTF would you know about facts and logic Rob ? You just the same old far right bullshit which prevaricates both sides of the Atlantic.

Hey, if Rob wants to hate the capitalist, ya know...those lazy useless leaches living on the government dole, that's fine but it has little to do with the post.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 8:42:06 PM   
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How to expect to be treated seriously, Jo, when you tell such stupid lies, and then build the foundation of your question on them?

Clinton committed perjury.  Not to Congress, but in a legal proceeding, while under oath.  Now whether the case he was involved in should ever have been allowed to proceed while he was in office, and whether the never-ending investigation of his activities was in the best interest of the country are separate issues, but to try and equate his situation with Congress authorizing the Iraq War goes nowhere.

Maybe try an arguement where you aren't extrapolating from a bumper sticker?


I dont expect to be taken seriously by someone that voted for George W. Bush in either of his elections. That's to say you held then and still hold today, a bias perspective on events. Where exactly did I lie? Was Bill Clinton not impeached? Did George W. Bush not get us in to the Iraq War? Or was it that we found enough WMD's to fill up a Wal-Mart Superstore to the brim? Please, I like to hear the lies you are accusing me of (without evidence I might add). Because a lie assumes the person knows the full facts and simply misrepresenting things to fulfill an agenda. Check out FOX News if you want to see that concept in action.

Mr. Clinton did many things during his time in the White House. If I recall the history, wasn't it the Republican Party that tried each and every year to nail him on something? And when it failed, they just moved on to another 'sound bite' for another few months? An each and every time, Mr. Clinton was able to side step the issue because the GOP arguement(s) failed to pass on the credibility factor. So when Mr. Starr has his 'investigation' Republicans ceased on the chance to 'nail 'em hard'. But they didn't do it 'on behalf of the nation', but rather to score cheap political points. Any lies here, Mr. Heretic? By all means, here's the history.

He was impeached for lying. Why was former President George W. Bush NOT impeached for lying on Iraq? The build up? The REAL REASON the allies joined us (it wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts)? Dealing with Iraq after Saddam? The Trial of Saddam? The W.M.D.'s (or lack there of)? How about that 'plan' the White House had on how it would handle all 21 industries? BTW, how many times did Mr. Bush show up at Dover AFB to greet the flag draped coffins of our fallen soldiers? There is ALOT of things his failed to do and LIED about it. And not once did the Republican Congress hold him to an ounce of accountibility for it. An that is the point. They held their opponents to a ridiculous charge of lying while doing absolutely NOTHING on one of their own that got plenty of our soldiers killed.

But those are all lies, according to 'your version of history' Heretic. I guess 1/4th of the current US Debt doesnt have 'Iraq/Afghanistan War' written on it, right?

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