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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 8:47:11 PM   
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Its long since been proved Blair and Bush knew the intel was at best dubious though Rich. You wont find many in the UK, both left and right, who think Blair was truthful.

Only the worst sort of cons still insist Bush wasn't lying through his teeth to get Congress to vote for the invasion. Trying to share the blame with Congressional Democrats, who were in the minority and couldn't have stopped the vote even if they hadn't believed Bush, is their only way of not having to face the fact that Bush invaded a sovereign nation for no good reason, an action which is antithetical to the very idea of the USA.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 8:53:20 PM   
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Here in St Louis it has been 8 months since a tornado tore up part of our town…The insurance companies have still not settled one case yet. If it were not for the City, State, Federal, and charity organizations these people would have been devastated…as it is they are struggling to just exist as families…Damn insurance companies… Take your money for years and years then one claim and they refuse to pay as promised.

Without public aid most victims will lose everything before they pay one damn penny.

Butch

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 8:58:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Run along, Jo.  If I want to engage with a characterless, backpedaling, liar, there are plenty who are at least funny, once in a while.  Your rephrase clearly shows you know exactly what lie I called you on.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 9:01:00 PM   
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Here in St Louis it has been 8 months since a tornado tore up part of our town…The insurance companies have still not settled one case yet. If it were not for the City, State, Federal, and charity organizations these people would have been devastated…as it is they are struggling to just exist as families…Damn insurance companies… Take your money for years and years then one claim and they refuse to pay as promised.

Without public aid most victims will lose everything before they pay one damn penny.

Butch


Good ole capitalism for ya.  But, according to some, they will pay.


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 9:08:09 PM   
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Only the worst sort of cons



That would be the sort who refuse to be browbeaten by your repeating a lie enough times to make true, I'm guessing. 

Pulling back towards the topic

I wonder what people would be expecting of Cantor.  For him to say, it's perfectly ok to fling out even more money we don't have, because it's raining like hell, and Mama Nature is pruning the trees?  Honestly though, we haven't had a hurricane hit in a while.  Surely FEMA has saved a bit for just such a rainy day.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 9:13:40 PM   
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Hi, Polite.  Something to keep in mind though is that Clinton knew damn well what had been in Monica when he swore to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, before quibbling over the what the definition of "is," is.  The worst anyone can prove of Bush II was that he could have known better, if his mind wasn't already made up.

Really, this argument is just a lame denial from people who prefer to deny that Congress told Bush to go ahead and invade. 


Actually, Congress DID allow former Republican President George W. Bush to go to war. They authorized a 'Military Engagement' with Afghanistan on September 14, 2001. An Iraq on March 3, 2003. So 'yes', Congress knew of the issues, but were not privileged with some of the material the President was given from the CIA regarding Iraq. We were told as a nation that Iraq had the weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical and biological), the delivery systems (i.e. SCUD), and the will to use 'em (as shown with the Kurds when his daddy was in office). Here's some of what I'm talking about.

The Republican White House played with the numbers, 'massage the data' as it became known as, to hide the facts while promoting things that 'could be right' to the American people. When the facts finally started coming out about the entire war, why didn't Republicans in Congress (or conservatives nationwide) hold the President fully accountible? They held former Democratic President Bill Clinton 'accountable' for lying.

Because they had nothing to gain politically for doing so...


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 9:24:50 PM   
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Run along, Jo.  If I want to engage with a characterless, backpedaling, liar, there are plenty who are at least funny, once in a while. 


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 9:25:41 PM   
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Run along, Jo.  If I want to engage with a characterless, backpedaling, liar, there are plenty who are at least funny, once in a while.  Your rephrase clearly shows you know exactly what lie I called you on.


FINE....

Produce for me ALL THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION we found in Iraq. I want their EXACT coordinates and location (down to a 64th of an inch). Included I want to know how much of each type of WMD was found in the particular location. You have the burden of evidence to prove.

Either:

A) You can produce a sizable degree of verifiable FACTS on those WMDs that were found.

OR

B) You are the one that is LYING.

But go ahead, play all the typical republican games of 'lying, dodging, evade, hiding, forgetting, and even running away'. We've all seen, heard, and read about the tactics over the last decade and a half. You dont have the evidence. You know it, I know, and EVERYONE with a brain knows it. You can't hold Republicans to even a billionth of the level of accountibily or responsibility that you hold for the Democrats. That undermines your credibility. You resorted to name calling when you ran out of intellectual ammo to throw in my direction.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 9:48:46 PM   
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Run along, Jo.  If I want to engage with a characterless, backpedaling, liar, there are plenty who are at least funny, once in a while.  Your rephrase clearly shows you know exactly what lie I called you on.




Comprehension issues, Jo?

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 10:52:54 PM   
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Run along, Jo.  If I want to engage with a characterless, backpedaling, liar, there are plenty who are at least funny, once in a while.  Your rephrase clearly shows you know exactly what lie I called you on.


Comprehension issues, Jo?


Oh, I'm not the one without evidence, facts or an arguement, Mr. Heretic.

So do you have a time-table for when I'll get those WMD's figures I asked about in post # 67?

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 11:02:52 PM   
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So do you have a time-table for when I'll get those WMD's figures I asked about in post # 67?



LOL.  Sorry.  That doesn't qualify you to play, Jo.  I'm laughing at you, not with you.

How about you dig up the evidence that it was the Birthers who first brought up Barack Obama's ethnic heritage from the last time I called you out for the same stupid lies offense, first?

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/27/2011 11:25:19 PM   
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So do you have a time-table for when I'll get those WMD's figures I asked about in post # 67?

LOL.  Sorry.  That doesn't qualify you to play, Jo.  I'm laughing at you, not with you.
How about you dig up the evidence that it was the Birthers who first brought up Barack Obama's ethnic heritage from the last time I called you out for the same stupid lies offense, first?


The question you pose, is fine. I have a counter.....Who cares? It falls into the same category of questions of 'Who came up with Death Panels' with regards to the AACA of 2010.

I dont believe I said that. However, birthers did keep asking/demanding evidence and were never satified with each and every new piece of evidence that was given. They did not accept the Election Folk's findings. Nor the FBI's. Nor the Governor of Hawaii (who is Republican). Nor many other branchs of the goverment and many organizations. They made up all sorts of zany sound bites and crazy slogans in a pathetic attempt to show evidence. And EVERY court case brought forth has failed (many of them thrown out for lack of evidence). Last I checked, if your going to accuse someone of something, its up to you to bring up the burden of evidence. That evidence must be specific, direct, and verifiable.

An still, birthers after all this time, are STILL not satified with what has been given. Likewise, there is a whole other crowd that are convinced Mr. Obama's religion is Islam due to his middle name (its actually Christian; his religion, not his middle name). These people don't use reality let alone facts or evidence to support their arguement, Heretic!

Does that satify your question?

An yes, as I stated above, your now trying to evade the questions given to you. By trying to go down this line of questions, you hope to get off the previous set of questions. So I'd like the answer to my question in post #67.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 4:46:08 AM   
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Hi, Polite.  Something to keep in mind though is that Clinton knew damn well what had been in Monica when he swore to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, before quibbling over the what the definition of "is," is.  The worst anyone can prove of Bush II was that he could have known better, if his mind wasn't already made up.

Really, this argument is just a lame denial from people who prefer to deny that Congress told Bush to go ahead and invade. 



Congress would have never passed AUMF-Iraq if Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell et. al. didn't commit fraud to get them to do it.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 4:49:41 AM   
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The Republican White House played with the numbers, 'massage the data' as it became known as, to hide the facts while promoting things that 'could be right' to the American people.


That's a really purdy way of saying "Committed Fraud".

Which is, of course in violation of 18 USC 371, right?


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When the facts finally started coming out about the entire war, why didn't Republicans in Congress (or conservatives nationwide) hold the President fully accountible?


Because the Rule of Law is a quaint, historical footnote. Without the Rule of Law, the Constitution and all the Laws are impotent. Why obey them when you can hire enough lawyers to make prosecution prohibitively expensive?




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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 7:23:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard many of them say they want LESS government and LESS taxes. I haven't heard any say they want NO government. So what's your point?

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 9:06:26 AM   
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I have heard many of them say they want LESS government and LESS taxes. I haven't heard any say they want NO government. So what's your point?


It's like 4 pages and finally someone sees the idiocy of the OP.

Thank you


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 10:10:43 AM   
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I Googled it but for some reason, I couldnt find a single news story to back up your dubious accusation against the insurance industry, Butch.

But I did find this


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Missouri: $745M in Claims Paid Toward Joplin Recovery


As of mid-July insurance companies serving consumers in the Joplin, Mo., area had paid more than $745 million in claims for residential, personal and commercial property damaged by the EF-5 tornado that struck May 22, according to state insurance regulators.


The estimated amount is based on reports of preliminary claims submitted by insurers to the Missouri Department of Insurance as of July 15.


http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2011/08/17/211456.htm





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Here in St Louis it has been 8 months since a tornado tore up part of our town…The insurance companies have still not settled one case yet. If it were not for the City, State, Federal, and charity organizations these people would have been devastated…as it is they are struggling to just exist as families…Damn insurance companies… Take your money for years and years then one claim and they refuse to pay as promised.

Without public aid most victims will lose everything before they pay one damn penny.

Butch


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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 12:57:25 PM   
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I Googled it but for some reason, I couldnt find a single news story to back up your dubious accusation against the insurance industry, Butch.


I'll help you.....HERE...what say you now?

This was a February story...there has still been ....NO... repair or replacement or compensation for these poor families at least in my city.


Butch

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 1:03:01 PM   
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Louisiana Flooding
Nebraska Severe Storms, Tornadoes, Straight-line Winds, and Flooding
Nebraska Flooding
Missouri Flooding
Utah Flooding,
from the fema site.

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RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene - 8/28/2011 1:07:44 PM   
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I have heard many of them say they want LESS government and LESS taxes. I haven't heard any say they want NO government. So what's your point?




Apparently only those monies that would help someone who doesnt have much money to begin with.

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