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SuzeCheri -> Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 7:18:08 PM)

On another thread a poster said that since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting. He also said that he couldn't really get as close to a gay male as a friend because of this difference in orientation. This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.

I'm a lesbian, I have zero sexual or physical attraction towards men, but I don't find man-on-man sex to be repulsive or disgusting, nor do I find hetero sex to be disgusting, etc. I don't watch it, because it's got no appeal to me, but it doesn't disgust me. I have discussed it with straight or gay male friends without any issue. And I wouldn't consider a friendship with a hetero person to be limited or have "a cap on how deep it can go" based on their sexual preference.

I have a few questions on this idea that I'd like to put out for discussion.

So why do you think there is such a strong reaction? Why, in your opinion, would anybody find it repulsive?

And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?

Would you feel you couldn't become as close a friend with a person with a different sexual orientation as you could with a person with the same orientation as you?

Also the format of the statement bothers me, it's as if what doesn't turn you on has to be repulsive merely as a consequence of your sexual orientation. Do you see it this way, or is it a consequence of personal bias & prejudice?

Thanks.

C.



LittleMeganV -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 7:31:17 PM)

Interesting article in Discovery magazine a few years ago (2007 or 2008) about a gene that leads to hyper fertility in women, also leads to homosexuality in men (kind of like nature balancing the scale).   It lost most of it's research funding because conservatives were offend that "Gay" wasn't a choice, coincidentally many homosexual responses were also negative because it suggested it wasn't a choice.

Now whether you choose to accept this article or take it with a grain of salt doesn't really matter in my mind (research was never finished after all, no hypothesis proven).

However it would provide an explanation to your question.  A genetic disposition towards or away from men in the male portion of our species.  The article also went on to point out that this gene had no bearing on female homosexuality.  In fact it cited numerous articles along the hypothesis that women can be aroused by almost anything, and that repetition reinforces that arousal... so for that point women would legitimatly be able to argue that it really is a choice, while men would be more heavily influenced by genetic baggage.

Totally unrelated in my 30 something years of life, the most homophobic males tend to be the most curious and most likely to be paying both fields on the down-low.  I think society expects the "current" masculine over-response that you were questioning.... and so many males comply.

That's my 2-cents



SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 7:58:24 PM)

Huh, that is an interesting sounding article, I think I'll get the Google-fu master to try find it.

As to the idea that it's expected and therefore more or less an act is an intriguing one, sort of a "the lady doth protest to much" thing. I definitely hadn't considered that angle. I'm sure it will draw some indignant denials from a few men.

Thanks for answering.

C.



LadyPact -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 8:07:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri
So why do you think there is such a strong reaction? Why, in your opinion, would anybody find it repulsive?

I can't answer that for you.  I'm straight, but I'm not repulsed by same gender folks having sex.  The f/f thing pretty much gets apathy from Me.  The m/m thing happens to be a turn on.

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And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?

I'm going to get blasted for this, but it's My honest answer.  It's got a lot to do with certain cultures and the way male homosexuality is seen by some and that includes bisexuality to an extent.  F/f sex is more widely accepted. 

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Would you feel you couldn't become as close a friend with a person with a different sexual orientation as you could with a person with the same orientation as you?

No.

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Also the format of the statement bothers me, it's as if what doesn't turn you on has to be repulsive merely as a consequence of your sexual orientation. Do you see it this way, or is it a consequence of personal bias & prejudice?

Like I said.......  Apathy.  I don't know if it's due to personal bias and/or prejudice.  There's no way to know unless you ask on a case by case basis.

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Thanks.

C.

You're welcome. 



Muttling -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 8:10:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

I have a few questions on this idea that I'd like to put out for discussion.


Go For It

quote:

So why do you think there is such a strong reaction? Why, in your opinion, would anybody find it repulsive?


Simple, it's an inability to empathize with others.

The men don't have such a reaction for a woman sucking their dick and the woman are fine with sucking a man's dick. 

Why are they offended by another person doing what they are doing?


quote:

And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?


Is it predominantly hetero male?   Lots of hetero females feel the same way.

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Would you feel you couldn't become as close a friend with a person with a different sexual orientation as you could with a person with the same orientation as you?


Not an issue for me.

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Also the format of the statement bothers me, it's as if what doesn't turn you on has to be repulsive merely as a consequence of your sexual orientation. Do you see it this way, or is it a consequence of personal bias & prejudice?


The phrasing is obviously biased towards gays and against straights.   If you want to learn to phrase more neutral statements then you need to take more statistics classes in college.   If you want to get better at slanting them then take more political science classes and join a political party.

Most of what you are trying to address starts with a conclusion and seeks a response to support that conclusion.   This is politics instead of science.   While I agree with a lot of the things you have said, your original post is more about a conclusion looking for support instead of science looking for a conclusion.



SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 8:26:22 PM)

It wasn't meant to be science, and of course I'm approaching it from the point of view of a gay person, I am a gay person. It's an attitude I don't understand, one I simply cannot wrap my head around. And if you notice, I said the questions were put out for discussion, meaning "Hey, let's talk about this" rather than "provide a full and honest answer for the sake of my research". [:)]

As far as hetero women having this attitude, some do, but not very many, at least in my experience. Out of the closet lesbians suffer very little discrimination from other women, again in my experience, what animosity is directed at them is from men.

C.



chiaThePet -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 8:32:00 PM)


I find that when ol' Stud McStudly finds that I in fact don't gag,
all that righteous indignation somehow finds it's way down around
his ankles, right along with those hyper masculine Dickie coveralls.

chia* (the pet)



Termyn8or -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 8:39:05 PM)

I think the question is based on ideas as old as the hills. It has to do with the fact that the sexes are different. This discussion has already happened and some maintain there is no difference but........

In Biblical times it was written that Man shall not lay with Man as he would with Woman. Nothing was mentioned about Woman laying with Woman as far as I know. Correct me if I am wrong. Men could have harems and with all those Women off limits to other Men well, you don't want them to be too deprived now would you ? So for four thousand years female homosexuality is OK but male homosexuality is not.

But that doesn't really address the point now does it ? Women have an ass and a mouth. As a Man I find the idea of a penis in my mouth completely disgusting, absolutely. Having one up my ass is not much better. That is my inner thing, the way I am and it is not going to change. I can't put people down who do not agree, because even without certain other things, Women have mouths and assholes. So do Men.

Now because of anatomy, the Woman is penetrated by design. The Man is the penetrator. Maybe using different holes is just a switchup, but the meaning is not really changed. Like I said, males and females are different to the core. But now, as a heterosexual male, though I make no insult or anything with this, to me, to be a homosexual male indicates in my eyes that something went haywire. I know that is only a personal opinion, but it's mine all mine.

Why would I like to eat pussy ? What is wrong with a penis ? The pee hole ? Ummm, where is the pee hole on a Woman ? Same shit almost really. It is a psychological thing and not easy to explain.

We avoid what we don't like, whether we have experienced it or not. I will not paint my kitchen pink. I have never had a pink kitchen but guess what, it still ain't happening. There are foods I will never eat because just thinking about them makes me want to puke. I think this is similar, psychologically.

I am going to stop RIGHT NOW because although I have plenty more to say I don't know exactly what to say RIGHT NOW to express the point. You will have to get by on this for now. But suffice it to say, understanding people is one of the hardest fucking things to do in the world.

T^T






chiaThePet -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 8:56:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

In Biblical times it was written that Man shall not lay with Man as he would with Woman.



If God had taken out a few more ribs, Adam wouldn't have needed a woman at all.

Which leads to the question; Are heterosexual men who can blow themselves
repulsed and disgusted by themselves for doing such?

chia* (the pet)



SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 9:00:26 PM)

[:D][:D][:D][:D]
Thank you!!



Hillwilliam -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/28/2011 9:48:06 PM)

Straight male here. I don't find a guy blowing a guy to be repulsive. I just have no idea why they'd want to do such a thing.

I had a gay roommate in college. He was one of my best friends until he died in the mid 80's.

I think the homophobia you ladies describe might be those whoare unsure of their own sexuality and they are afraid they might even be bi or gay.
In my experience, some of the biggest homophobes are actually closeted themselves.

I guess you could say "Im straight but not narrow"



Kaliko -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 1:05:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Now because of anatomy, the Woman is penetrated by design. The Man is the penetrator. Maybe using different holes is just a switchup, but the meaning is not really changed.



I agree with this. I think it has to do with the man who is sucking a cock now becoming a receiver...passive. He's not penetrating anything - he's being penetrated. For some it is a turnoff to consider a man to be anything but in control. It's threatening.





Endivius -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:22:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

On another thread a poster said that since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting. He also said that he couldn't really get as close to a gay male as a friend because of this difference in orientation. This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.



As a straight man i'm indifferent. I'm not repulsed by it, but i'm not interested in watching it either. Doesn't do anything to arouse me, and in general, is just boring. As for not being able to get close to a gay man as a friend, that's just his puritanical conservative upbringing enslaving him. I have plenty of gay friends, male and female. We talk about all kinds of things, and when the topic of sex comes up, nothing they say has ever made me ashamed to know them. So he's just missing out on quality people in his life, it's his loss.

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I'm a lesbian, I have zero sexual or physical attraction towards men, but I don't find man-on-man sex to be repulsive or disgusting, nor do I find hetero sex to be disgusting, etc. I don't watch it, because it's got no appeal to me, but it doesn't disgust me. I have discussed it with straight or gay male friends without any issue. And I wouldn't consider a friendship with a hetero person to be limited or have "a cap on how deep it can go" based on their sexual preference.



Then you are doing it right. Sexual preference has no bearing on the quality of a person. [:)]

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I have a few questions on this idea that I'd like to put out for discussion.

So why do you think there is such a strong reaction? Why, in your opinion, would anybody find it repulsive?



Ignorance. Puritanical conservative enslavement. If you dont like watching cooking and somene starts cooking you don't go into a rage over it right? Same principle, just different context.

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And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?



Men are generally held to a societal standard of being butch, and that same societal standard tends to treat homosexual males as weaker or inferior. This is just a common fallacy in society. Lesbians are largely considered the opposite. How many of you hetero's have come accross a tool who thinks all lesbians are either super sensual and beutifull or butch trolls? How many of those same tools think all gay men are super sensitive, emotionally unstable pussies? Yah, I'd be wealthier than Oprah if I had a dime for every time I've come accross one of those clowns. Educate them, and if they dont acccept the truth, kick 'em to the curb and move on with your life.

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Would you feel you couldn't become as close a friend with a person with a different sexual orientation as you could with a person with the same orientation as you?




I'm poly, one s is Bi, other is Hetero. We are all equally close, we have our pitfalls like any other relationship, but we are adult about it. The only time they argued about anything regularly is who got to sit in the front seat. I solved this riddle by making them both ride in the back when we go anywhere together. No more of this "shotgun!" buissiness... [8|]

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Also the format of the statement bothers me, it's as if what doesn't turn you on has to be repulsive merely as a consequence of your sexual orientation. Do you see it this way, or is it a consequence of personal bias & prejudice?

Thanks.

C.




I wouldn't say that at all. There are plenty of kink things that do not turn me on, but also do not repulse me. For example, needles comes to mind. I dont run for the hills if someone digs needle play. knives, sucking blood, any of those things. Scat play on the other hand DOES repulse me. It's a hard limit for all of us. We all find it repulsive. Personal bias yes. Prejudice? no. I dont care if you cover self in scat and sing show toons to get off. I am not gonna watch you do it, but I also won't hate you for it.


Oh and as for the gagging at the sight of a cock: plenty of men of all sexual orientations have no problem seeing a man penetrate a woman and dont become enraged or suddenly repulsed and vomit. The stigma only seems to apply to men being penetrated. I dont gag, I just nod and say, "You know they make a pill for that now..." [:D]

https://www.officialenzyte.com


Edit to fix color.



sunshinemiss -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:27:33 AM)

This is an interesting question to put up in the midst of the grief of your friend being murdered.



Endivius -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:29:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

This is an interesting question to put up in the midst of the grief of your friend being murdered.



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SoulAlloy -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 4:05:37 AM)

Echoing the above picture...

With regards to the OP, I feel it's like a learning curve.

Through my teens I found the thoughts repulsive, but as my life went on and my kinky side developed more and more it seemed kind of hypocritical.

When I think of the things I like to do and experience, sucking cock and receiving anal sex pales in comparison.



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 4:25:12 AM)



quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

On another thread a poster said that since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting. ....




As to your report, one person on another thread  said that he found male sexual acts to be disgusting, which naturally (to you) leads to the question of  "why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?"

Well, aside from the fact that males and females of whatever orientation are different to begin with ...



Because it suits your purpose to find it thus, as would be taken by such standards of evidence as elicited here.

It is interesting to note that your curiosity does not extend such as to investigate the question of why male-haters are so prevalent among female homosexuals (thankfully not all), while misogyny among male homosexuals is almost non-existent.


You gals need to get out more, both in the literal outdoors sense and also in the exploration of  the world other than forums or discussion groups' views within whatever narrowly focused venue you have chosen to confine yourselves in.


There are some countries and cultures still where the young and teen boys sleep together in groups, and sometimes tickle, fight, etc, but any actual genital touching  or otherwise potential boy sex implications are strongly frowned upon. It is their natural life.


Looking outside your own world.


The key to understanding.







Endivius -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 5:25:21 AM)

^


I dont have enough facepalms to go around.

When I wake up in a few hours, if someone else hasnt allready explained why half of what you said is ignorant, sexist, bs, I will.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 6:58:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

On another thread a poster said that since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting. He also said that he couldn't really get as close to a gay male as a friend because of this difference in orientation. This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.

I'm a lesbian, I have zero sexual or physical attraction towards men, but I don't find man-on-man sex to be repulsive or disgusting, nor do I find hetero sex to be disgusting, etc. I don't watch it, because it's got no appeal to me, but it doesn't disgust me. I have discussed it with straight or gay male friends without any issue. And I wouldn't consider a friendship with a hetero person to be limited or have "a cap on how deep it can go" based on their sexual preference.

I have a few questions on this idea that I'd like to put out for discussion.

So why do you think there is such a strong reaction? Why, in your opinion, would anybody find it repulsive?

And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?

Would you feel you couldn't become as close a friend with a person with a different sexual orientation as you could with a person with the same orientation as you?

Also the format of the statement bothers me, it's as if what doesn't turn you on has to be repulsive merely as a consequence of your sexual orientation. Do you see it this way, or is it a consequence of personal bias & prejudice?

I think that the issue could be reframed.

Men and women's sexual thinking is different, no doubt about it.  Our brains are different.

Watching porn, hetro men identify with the male performer, and watch the female.  When both performers are male .... their ability to empathize places them as receiving or giving sex to another man.

If the male viewer is not a male homosexual, this usually causes some discomfort and cognitive dissonance.  If they are secretly bi or homosexual and hiding it from themselves and others, the cognitive dissonance may be even greater.

The differing levels of reaction, then, depend on a lot of factors.

Personally, I've had homosexual friends, of both genders, but viewing or thinking of man-on-man sex isn't something that interests me in the least, and it makes me uncomfortable to view (as does seeing lasik eye surgery).  How I, or someone elses' classifies my feelings about either one (disquieting?  disgusting? revolting?) is kinda vague, and value-laden and opens them up to negative reactions by others.  Some of which may be justified.  Or not.

Does my disgust and revolt at seeing lasik eye surgery mean that I am secretly wishing for such surgery?  Or that I am a bigot and prejudiced against people who have it?

Firm



SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 7:07:41 AM)

quote:

This is an interesting question to put up in the midst of the grief of your friend being murdered.
Gosh you're so right, forgive me for thinking maybe an interesting discussion might help me get my mind off that for a little while, how dare I want to escape from that for a few hours. Thank you so very much for throwing it back in my face, the headlines aren't enough to bring it home to me, I really needed you to remind me. You really are such a considerate and helpful person, I'm so very glad you are around to ruin things for me and to make sure I don't have even this little escape. I hope you feel very good about yourself right now, you really should, you're a wonderfully compassionate person who has done me a huge favour.

Now everybody else go ahead and enjoy the thread, I have to go put on my sackcloth and gather some ashes, least it appear as if I am allowing myself to be distracted for a few minutes, I wouldn't want to bother rainydaymiss and make her have to remind me of my duty again.



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