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Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 8:14:42 AM)

I do get something right every now and then. 



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 8:52:01 AM)





quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

consistency fuckhead, consistency.




The hobgoblin that little minds insist on. (there's a quote for that)

In any case, different responses speak to different posts, the first being a rhetorical generalization that spoke to another's explicit generalization: "And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude? ", you know, that one; and the second one ("chop them ALL off!) being a relation of my own r/l experience.

It is interesting that you think that les quatre have more experience with homophobes than everybody else, but I can't say surprising.

Just to completely blow up what everybody keeps trying to drag me into and accuse me of, in my former mode of income I worked with or near or close to or alongside of more homosexual people than most could ever expect to encounter in several lifetimes (live shows, entertainment of any medium, TV, film, etc.)

On occasions of  going out for a drink after work or something to eat between shows, we all sat together, except for one or two sometimes, no separation of 'straight' or otherwise.

Lesbians are no different than anyone else in most regards. Some few did not like me (like some straight males or females did not like me) and some did, some liked me a lot. Especially those on the visiting crew.

One of the best times I had with a visiting crew member involved a young woman who was in town with the show for two weeks (can't even remember the show ... Phantom? 42nd St.? can't remember), and she for whatever reason took a shine to me, not 'attraction' wise, just as a local crew member. She was head of props and I was local department head for that show. We got on famously, she bought me drinks at the bar after the shows, etc. Unfortunately this involved her neglecting her asst. props GF in the process. By the time of load out, she (stage right props, the GF) was practically spitting in my face. Oh well.

She (the first one) brought her bike with her, loaded into the back of one of the semis, as many of them did, and she was glad to see that I rode my bike to work also. We rode to the hardware store twice a week, and on the way back, she always wanted to stop in front of Panthers Stadium (for the Carolina Panthers football team, now called Bank Of America Stadium), but we only actually stopped for that twice. She was from Pittsburgh, so a Steelers fan obviously, but she kept saying "what a nice stadium!", and wanted me to tell her about how the franchise was started, how the stadium got built without tax payer money, Kevin Greene (former Steeler and former Panther linebacker), etc.

When the visiting and the local department heads click, things get done for the show that might have been needing done or neglected for months. We built new off-stage stairs, a new upstage ramp, we repaired innumerable faux lamps, table legs, chairs, wagons, refurbished fake flowers, etc. 'Twas a thing of beauty, as they say. Funny, her 'normal gig' was lighting, and mine was sound, but there we both landed in the properties department ("props") for that show.


Much more I could relate, but since I'm already causing tears from boredom as it is ...  










HannahLynHeather -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 9:49:30 AM)

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It is interesting that you think that les quatre have more experience with homophobes than everybody else, but I can't say surprising.
not what i fucking said, now is it?

if you wish to reply to me, then have the decency to reply to what I say. I gave endivious shit on another thread for doing exactly what you are doing, making up shit to reply to and attributing them to others.

what i did say was:
quote:

i am pretty damned certain that the four of us have interacted with more homophobic men than you have lesbians of any stripe
now where in that statement do i compare the number of homophobes we have encountered with the number of homophobes anybody else has encountered?

learn to fucking read. i'd say learn to fucking write as well, but i don't believe in miracles. but being ever the fucking optimist, i will offer this as a suggestion. it's local, only 12 hours and costs only $129. you really would fucking benefit from it.

i think arpig is right, you are just a fucking liar, you have been caught in an outright lie or misrepresentation of what somebody else said in practically every post you've made in this thread.

now fuck off





Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 9:57:24 AM)




quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

quote:

i am pretty damned certain that the four of us have interacted with more homophobic men than you have lesbians of any stripe






Right.

Your lies are OK, but mine are not. (even the latter being what would be obvious to thinking people as imperfect paraphrasing)


Got it.

No thanks on the $129 proposition. Whether I've got it figured out or not, most other people here do. Especially the issue of not your getting the gist of practically anything said in this post, by anybody.

The tuition for any course dealing with your issue there would be astronomical.




But "Thank You For The Entertainment," as the song says.



PS

You should submit a sample of your own writing to that school you are recommending. Not sure if they would use it as either a 'before' or 'after' example (probably the latter, given the reference here), but the marketing department would eat it up in any case, considering the bus stops at which it would be advertised.











HannahLynHeather -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 10:23:20 AM)

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Your lies are OK, but mine are not
nice of you to admit you tell lies, but be so kind as to point out anywhere i have lied.

i fucking dare ya.



Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 10:39:22 AM)

quote:

most other people here do
Don't worry, we do, your posts read like a Gor novel on acid.



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 10:40:50 AM)





Its in one of your first responses to mine, which most others here comprehended just fine, whether you did or not, and was pointed out in my following response, and if you can't even comprehend your own words, don't expect me to help you.



I dare you to tell me that you give a flip about anything other than how flippant you can be.

I dare you to tell me that you don't rip a frikkin' flower out of the ground because it looked at you the wrong way or 'lied' by showing its pedals differently today than it did yesterday.

I dare you to tell me that you don't stomp on a bug in the wild because it took a wrong turn by your estimation.

I dare you to tell me that you actually read and comprehend and find something of value in a r/l story regarding any experience other than yours.



NO

Actually, I don't need any of that at all, and certainly no one else who is not such a sick f*ck as you incessantly scream yourself to be needs it either.


Sorry for you horrible experience there.









Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 10:42:54 AM)


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Daddysredhead -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 10:46:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Don't worry, we do, your posts read like a Gor novel on acid.


I love the fucking scrolls!!! [:D]



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 10:48:02 AM)

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Its in one of your first responses to mine, which most others here comprehended just fine, whether you did or not, and was pointed out in my following response, and if you can't even comprehend your own words, don't expect me to help you.
in other words you don't have a fucking thing, so you are going to lie again and try to cover it once again by making it too fucking vague to be called.

quote it motherfucker. quote it or admit you are full of shit.




SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 10:52:37 AM)

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I expressed my opinion that all hetero males are as represented by the one example I gave.



mnottertail -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:03:29 AM)

And I still don't get this.

Doesn't anyone gag ON a cock anymore? Is this all in the mind, one big Gedanken gag?

A velleity?




Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:06:22 AM)




quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I expressed my opinion that all hetero males are as represented by the one example I gave.



You first.


Explain this one:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.

....


And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?





I am sure that most anyone here can see the broadmindedness and lack of generalization or gross oversimplification and dearth of inherent bigotry in those statements, but, well, you know how it is, people can just take things SO much the wrong way sometimes, you know?

Never experienced that myself, of course.

But you are welcome to enlighten us in any regard.








Aswad -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:11:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

So why do you think there is such a strong reaction? Why, in your opinion, would anybody find it repulsive?


Insecurities? Aversion? Strong association with dominance games (cf. prison rape, etc.)?

quote:

And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?


Cultural taboos?

quote:

Would you feel you couldn't become as close a friend with a person with a different sexual orientation as you could with a person with the same orientation as you?


No, I have straight, bisexual and gay friends.

I've never perceived orientation to be an obstacle.

quote:

Also the format of the statement bothers me, it's as if what doesn't turn you on has to be repulsive merely as a consequence of your sexual orientation. Do you see it this way, or is it a consequence of personal bias & prejudice?


I would have to say bias and prejudice. Romantic attraction requires a measure of femininity for me, both physical and mental. There is no attraction to a gay man. But neither is there any repulsion at seeing a gay man romantically or sexually involved with another man. I also don't discount the possibility of selfish sexual interactions with a male submissive or slave, but the idea of reciprocating is one that engenders discomfort. I could suppress that, of course, but I see no point in doing so, as I've no interest in being uncomfortable during sex. Kissing exceeds my tolerance for discomfort, and is absolutely out. Seeing gay men kissing, however, doesn't engender any such feelings.

In short, having experimented a little bit, I've found that I'm not repulsed by gay men doing their thing around me, but have no desire to participate in it. I would have to assume, accordingly, that there is no inherent repulsion, but rather just a culturally conditioned one that serves no functional purpose, other than to increase the impact of dominance games.

Health,
al-Aswad.



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:21:45 AM)




quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

quote:

Its in one of your first responses to mine, which most others here comprehended just fine, whether you did or not, and was pointed out in my following response, and if you can't even comprehend your own words, don't expect me to help you.
in other words you don't have a fucking thing, so you are going to lie again and try to cover it once again by making it too fucking vague to be called.

quote it motherfucker. quote it or admit you are full of shit.






In other words, you are both too stupid and too lazy to read back in the thread yourself, and expect others to do it for you anytime you demand of others what is in fact a lost cause, that being to explain anything to you within mental grasp, as answer to whatever thread equivalent of the latest hotel room trashing you've indulged yourself in.

Good luck with that one.









FirmhandKY -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:23:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I expressed my opinion that all hetero males are as represented by the one example I gave.


You first.

Explain this one:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.

....


And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?


I am sure that most anyone here can see the broadmindedness and lack of generalization and gross oversimplification and dearth of inherent bigotry in those statements, but, well, you know how it is, people can just take things SO much the wrong way sometimes, you know?

Never experienced that myself, of course.

But you are welcome to enlighten us in any regard.

I'm not ready to say that you lie all the time.  I think you actually believe your version of what people are saying, and failing to understand what they are actually saying.  You  thereafter argue a strawman, not their actual position.

Cheri said "this attitude" i.e  "man-on-man sex to be repulsive or disgusting" ... "isn't a rare thing" ... "it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men"

So, what part of this is wrong? 

Is male repulsion of "man-on-man sex" rare?  Don't think so.  So she is correct there.

Is male repulsion of "man-on-man sex" common in straight men, and directed at gay men?  You can argue what "common" means, but overall she is correct there.

And it's been proven that women in general are less put off by homosexual activity, male or female than men are.  Is that due to evolution or culture?  I'd suggest both, to a certain degree. Regardless, Cherie's statement seems to be reinforced once again.

And, come on ... she wasn't doing a scientific paper, where proof of all of the statistics should be backed up with footnotes and a detailed paradigm analysis.  She was making conversation and starting a dicussion, and basing it on certain assumptions that she enumerated, and are very likely correct.

What are you arguing against, exactly?

Firm

PS.  Please reduce your white space in your posts.



SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:37:55 AM)

Certainly, my pleasure.

quote:

This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact

The attitude in question, that of being revolted by the thought of man-on-man sex is not an uncommon attitude. This is not to say that it is universal, nor does it say that the attitude is even exhibeted by the majority of people. Simply that it is not uncommon, and, since you argued that it was a natural and even genetic predisposition to be repulsed by gay male sex, then you can hardly argue with this point.

quote:

it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.

This is based on observation, there simply are more heterosexual men who are disgusted by the thought of male-on-male sex than there are gay men, gay women, or straight women. This isn't really a debatable conclusion, it simply is a matter of record, if you don't believe me feel free to do a little reading on the subject.

I would suggest G.M. Herek's article based on the 1999 RDD survey: Gender gaps in public opinion about lesbians and gay men, published in the Public Opinion Quarterly #66 (1), pp 40-66.

Here is an abstract of that article, please note the bolded sections.
quote:

Using data from a 1999 national RDD survey (N = 1,335), this paper examines gender gaps in heterosexuals' attitudes toward lesbians, gay men, and a variety of topics related to homosexuality. Attitudes toward lesbians differed from attitudes toward gay men in several areas, and significant differences were observed between male and female heterosexual respondents. Survey participants generally were more likely to regard gay men as mentally ill, supported adoption rights for lesbians more than for gay men, and had more negative personal reactions to gay men than to lesbians. Overall, heterosexual women were more supportive than men of employment protection and adoption rights, more willing to extend employee benefits to same-sex couples, and less likely to hold stereotypical beliefs about gay people. Heterosexual men's negative reactions to gay men were at the root of these gender differences. Of all respondent-by-target combinations, heterosexual men were the least supportive of recognition of same-sex relationships and adoption rights for gay men, most likely to believe that gay men are mentally ill and molest children, and most negative in their affective reactions to gay men. Heterosexual men's response patterns were affected by item order, suggesting possible gender differences in the cognitive organization of attitudes toward gay men and lesbians. The findings demonstrate the importance of differentiating lesbians from gay men as attitude targets in survey research.

quote:

And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?

Since it is mostly straight men who hold this attitude, then the use of the word "predominantly" in this sentence is correct. Please note that the word does not imply that most heterosexual men hold these views, only that most of the people who do hold these views are heterosexual men.

So, to summarize; the premise of mine to which you object is based on two perfectly reasonable assumptions based on observation and current sociological research.

There, I've addressed your concern, now it's your turn. Please show me where I said that it was my opinion that all heterosexual men were represented by the example I used.



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:40:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I expressed my opinion that all hetero males are as represented by the one example I gave.


You first.

Explain this one:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.

....


And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?


I am sure that most anyone here can see the broadmindedness and lack of generalization and gross oversimplification and dearth of inherent bigotry in those statements, but, well, you know how it is, people can just take things SO much the wrong way sometimes, you know?

Never experienced that myself, of course.

But you are welcome to enlighten us in any regard.

I'm not ready to say that you lie all the time.  I think you actually believe your version of what people are saying, and failing to understand what they are actually saying.  You  thereafter argue a strawman, not their actual position.

Cheri said "this attitude" i.e  "man-on-man sex to be repulsive or disgusting" ... "isn't a rare thing" ... "it's quite common in fact and it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men"

So, what part of this is wrong? 

Is male repulsion of "man-on-man sex" rare?  Don't think so.  So she is correct there.

Is male repulsion of "man-on-man sex" common in straight men, and directed at gay men?  You can argue what "common" means, but overall she is correct there.

And it's been proven that women in general are less put off by homosexual activity, male or female than men are.  Is that due to evolution or culture?  I'd suggest both, to a certain degree. Regardless, Cherie's statement seems to be reinforced once again.

And, come on ... she wasn't doing a scientific paper, where proof of all of the statistics should be backed up with footnotes and a detailed paradigm analysis.  She was making conversation and starting a dicussion, and basing it on certain assumptions that she enumerated, and are very likely correct.

What are you arguing against, exactly?

Firm

PS.  Please reduce your white space in your posts.





What is Cheri arguing against, exactly, or is that asking too much?






HannahLynHeather -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:43:10 AM)

you made the fucking claim and you can't back it up. of course you can't, because it's fucking bullshit and you know it.

thanks for playing, and for admitting that you were full of shit.



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:46:19 AM)


Thanks for admitting that you are utterly incapable of even the simplest of tasks, forget anything resembling thought process.

Want a gold star for that or anything?






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