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LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:04:30 PM)

I am a bisexual woman who is completely turned on by watching 2 guys together, no matter what their orientation is. I have met at least one straight woman who told me that if I attempted to come on to her sexually she would puke on me. The funny thing about that was that I wasn't attracted to her sexually in the least. I was barely attracted to her as a human being. LOL

My belief is that straight men who are so repulsed by the thought of two men together probably fall into two categories, either they are curious & in denial or they had some sort of sexual trauma that has made them feel that way. This excludes the ones who say that shit because they just think it's what's expected of them as macho members of our straight male dominated society.

As far as the "admonishment" about how you should be grieving? Fuckemall & do it your own way, darlin. When my best friend died 3 months after my mother did, my girlfriend told me that I wasn't grieving properly. I politely told her to go fuck herself & went on doing what I needed to do.



Epytropos -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:05:41 PM)

I have serious trouble with that for a number of reasons. The most obvious is that you have societies like the Greeks where a moderate amount of gay sex was expected of men, and was therefore performed with a minimum of vomiting. If nature makes the typical man repulsed by gay sex, how do you account for those sorts of societies? Did they just have a massive genetic difference that abdicated the inborn trait which appeared in others, and if so what happened to it in the intervening period?

Further, how do we see historical cults in which heterosexuals glorify gay sex as an act of communion even if they don't do it themselves? To glorify something you find repulsive as a religious act would be extremely strange, don't you think?

In short, there is entirely too much diversity of thought regarding homosexuality through history to call the aforementioned revulsion a genetic trait.



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:13:57 PM)




Again, it's not the thought of two men together, it's having to actually watch the proceedings that are in discussion here.

Why anyone not watching porno gives any thought at all to what any hetero or homo people do on their own is beyond me.

As mentioned in an earlier post, not wanting to watch or even think about your own parents having sex does not indicate our societal "conditioning," anymore than not wanting to have sex with family members does, nor does it indicate our 'conditioning' against heterosexual intercourse.


Darn people, understand that nature was here a quite a number of years before the very recent human appearance,  howevermuch we want to think that we invented the world yesterday.

Enough with the 'concepts' concerning this subject already. The cake has been out of the oven for a billion years now.






TreasureKY -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:19:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

There you go again with the negative waves, FHKY.   Who cares how young they are, so long as you have earplugs? 


Buddy ... I'm getting off this line of discussion ... there is simply no way to do anything but crash and burn ... women on all sides of me?  I don't have eyes in the back of my head, and I gotta sleep at night, ya know?  [8D]

Firm



Good plan.  [;)]

Teach me to actually work today and not keep up with the threads.  Guess I'm going to have to pay more attention to keeping Firm entertained.  [:)]

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Why anyone not watching porno gives any thought at all to what any hetero or homo people do on their own is beyond me.


My thoughts exactly.

I don't care what people get up to in the privacy of their own bedrooms.  I just may not be delighted to watch it OR think about it.  Why they would care what I think or feel about it, is also beyond me.  [&:]



LadyPact -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 3:27:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
Again, it's not the thought of two men together, it's having to actually watch the proceedings that are in discussion here.

No, it's not.  Neither here or the thread that I am fairly confident led to at least some of the inspiration of the thread. 

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Why anyone not watching porno gives any thought at all to what any hetero or homo people do on their own is beyond me.

We're on a discussion board.  For some, that means the subject comes up.  I'm pretty sure most of the folks on the forums have seen the topic come up.  There really are more reasons than just porn for the idea of how other people have sex lives that are different from ours.

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Enough with the 'concepts' concerning this subject already. The cake has been out of the oven for a billion years now.

You seriously can't nail such a thing to the concept of nature alone.  If you could, there wouldn't be things like gay bashing, rolling, discrimination based on orientation or a lot of the other issues that we've had because of the attitude regarding different orientations.  Crap like that is nurture.  Plain and simple.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 5:30:31 PM)

I quit trying to figure out why something turns me on or off. It just is what it is.




Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 5:32:15 PM)





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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
Again, it's not the thought of two men together, it's having to actually watch the proceedings that are in discussion here.


No, it's not.  Neither here or the thread that I am fairly confident led to at least some of the inspiration of the thread. 



I'm not sure which thread you are referring to that might have led up to this one, but in any case let's just review the OP as presented here, if we may;

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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri
On another thread a poster said that since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting.



So, tell us what we are missing in our reading of the OP here.

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Enough with the 'concepts' concerning this subject already. The cake has been out of the oven for a billion years now.




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You seriously can't nail such a thing to the concept of nature alone.  If you could, there wouldn't be things like gay bashing, rolling, discrimination based on orientation or a lot of the other issues that we've had because of the attitude regarding different orientations.  Crap like that is nurture.  Plain and simple.



I made a clear distinction between the natural repulsion of the intimate acts themselves and the "concept" of like genders being attracted to each other at all, sorry if that was missed.


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
It is certainly true that society in times past nurtured people to find the very notion of same-sexual attraction at all to be repulsive, and we would hope that we are in the swan song stage of that.





Honestly, the comprehension thing really does help in these discussions.











Epytropos -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 5:44:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn




Again, it's not the thought of two men together, it's having to actually watch the proceedings that are in discussion here.


Here, I'm going to go ahead and quote the original post for you:

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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri
since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting


and also the thread title
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Gagging at the thought of a cock?


Now, to me, words like 'idea' and 'thought' tend to refer to the thought of a concept. Not that it matters of course, because no matter whether its the sight of sex or the idea of sex my argument stands, but what can I say I enjoy being right.

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As mentioned in an earlier post, not wanting to watch or even think about your own parents having sex does not indicate our societal "conditioning," anymore than not wanting to have sex with family members does, nor does it indicate our 'conditioning' against heterosexual intercourse.


I can prove that the existence of limbs on the human body is a result of genetics. Does that prove that speech is a product of genetics? No, of course it doesn't, for the same reason people being genetically indisposed to incestuous and parental sex fails to prove that every kind of indisposition is genetic.

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Darn people, understand that nature was here a quite a number of years before the very recent human appearance,  howevermuch we want to think that we invented the world yesterday.

Enough with the 'concepts' concerning this subject already. The cake has been out of the oven for a billion years now.






What the fuck does that even mean? Are you really trying to tell me that human beings have not changed in any way through history? Please tell me that's not what you're saying...

EDIT: missing word



Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 5:46:22 PM)

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I'm not sure which thread you are referring to that might have led up to this one, but in any case let's just review the OP as presented here, if we may;

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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri
On another thread a poster said that since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting.



So, tell us what we are missing in our reading of the OP here.
What are YOU missing, why the simple little detail of the word used was "IDEA". Note that nowhere does she mention watching the act, it is the idea of the act that is being discussed. So you are wrong again Fast Eddy.

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Honestly, the comprehension thing really does help in these discussions.
Yes it does, but if you posted in English rather than in Edwynnese (which has always struck me as a bad imitation of John Norman by somebody with a thesaurus fetish and no actual understanding of how the language works). Face it Fast Eddy, your posts are pretty much gibberish, if you would just write in plain English rather than always trying to use convoluted structures and inappropriate phrasing, then you might find yourself having to explain less often.

Of course, if you did that, then people might see through the facade (but don't worry, most of us already do)



Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 5:51:45 PM)

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(Q4L2 for short )
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Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 6:25:06 PM)



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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


Again, it's not the thought of two men together, it's having to actually watch the proceedings that are in discussion here.


Here, I'm going to go ahead and quote the original post for you:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri
since he was a straight male he found the idea of a man blowing another man repulsive and disgusting


and also the thread title
quote:


Gagging at the thought of a cock?


Now, to me, words like 'idea' and 'thought' tend to refer to the thought of a concept. Not that it matters of course, because no matter whether its the sight of sex or the idea of sex my argument stands, but what can I say I enjoy being right.





I did indeed make a distinction there, but if we get to what thought means, what would you describe it as other than visualization or other self-sensed imagining of some sort? Are you trying to tell us that the "idea" spoken of exists in its own void, without any mental sensory foundation at all?


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I can prove that the existence of limbs on the human body is a result of genetics. Does that prove that speech is a product of genetics? No, of course it doesn't, for the same reason people being genetically indisposed to incestuous and parental sex fails to prove that every kind of indisposition is genetic.




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ORIGINAL: Epytropos
What the fuck does that even mean?




Quite.


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Are you really trying to tell me that human beings have not changed in any way through history? Please tell me that's not what you're saying...



Are you really that much of a drama queen that you so readily flush basic comprehension skills down the toilet for the cause?

Here, do some reading on the subject;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain

"The triune brain is a model of the evolution of the vertebrate forebrain and behavior proposed by the American physician and neuroscientist Paul D. MacLean. MacLean originally formulated his model in the 1960s and propounded it at length in his 1990 book The Triune Brain in Evolution.[1] The triune brain consists of the reptilian complex, the paleomammalian complex (limbic system), and the neomammalian complex (neocortex), viewed as structures sequentially added to the forebrain in the course of evolution."


Starter kit for you.














HannahLynHeather -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 6:32:32 PM)

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But you don't have to be all prickly and outraged about it, either.
nah firm that's not the reason, he's just fucked up is all



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 6:33:43 PM)

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And you're not going to get into their knickers by grovelling to them, FHKY. Just saying.
he's got a better chance. [:D]



Epytropos -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 6:42:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
I did indeed make a distinction there, but if we get to what thought means, what would you describe it as other than visualization or other self-sensed imagining of some sort? Are you trying to tell us that the "idea" spoken of exists in its own void, without any mental sensory foundation at all?

Not what you actually said. Good try though.



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Are you really that much of a drama queen that you so readily flush basic comprehension skills down the toilet for the cause?

Here, do some reading on the subject;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain

"The triune brain is a model of the evolution of the vertebrate forebrain and behavior proposed by the American physician and neuroscientist Paul D. MacLean. MacLean originally formulated his model in the 1960s and propounded it at length in his 1990 book The Triune Brain in Evolution.[1] The triune brain consists of the reptilian complex, the paleomammalian complex (limbic system), and the neomammalian complex (neocortex), viewed as structures sequentially added to the forebrain in the course of evolution."


Starter kit for you.














Also, coincidentally, not what you said at all.

Anyway, I'm done with this. This had the potential to be an interesting discussion, but I think it's pretty clear that cannot happen at this point, and my time is at least valuable enough to me to skip this sort of idiocy.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 6:47:31 PM)

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Here, do some reading on the subject;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain
that is some very interesting reading. particularly these bits....

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Subsequent findings have invalidated the traditional neuroanatomical ideas upon which MacLean based his hypothesis.


and

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Recent behavioral studies likewise do not support the traditional view of sauropsid behavior as stereotyped and ritualistic (as in MacLean's reptilian complex).


and this

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Structures of the limbic system, which MacLean contended arose in early mammals, have now been shown to exist across the whole range of modern vertebrates. The "paleomammalian" trait of parental care of offspring is widespread in birds and occurs in some fishes as well. Thus, like the basal ganglia, the evolution of these systems presumably date to a common vertebrate ancestor.


and this one as well

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Finally, the third statement of the triune brain hypothesis, which is that the neocortex appears in modern mammals, is also clearly wrong

so we are supposed to accept your word based on a discredited model?

fucking hilarious when people don't even read the things they post to support their statements ain't it? way to fucking go ed, way to fucking go.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 6:55:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Are you really that much of a drama queen that you so readily flush basic comprehension skills down the toilet for the cause?

Here, do some reading on the subject;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain

"The triune brain is a model of the evolution of the vertebrate forebrain and behavior proposed by the American physician and neuroscientist Paul D. MacLean. MacLean originally formulated his model in the 1960s and propounded it at length in his 1990 book The Triune Brain in Evolution.[1] The triune brain consists of the reptilian complex, the paleomammalian complex (limbic system), and the neomammalian complex (neocortex), viewed as structures sequentially added to the forebrain in the course of evolution."

Sorry, but 1960's psychology is a bit outdated, even if the author tried to update it in the 90's.

In fact, the very Wiki link you gave states:

... the model never won wide acceptance among comparative neurobiologists. Comparative evolutionary neuroanatomists currently regard its claims about brain evolution to be outdated.

You need to be reading evolutionary psychology.

I'd recommend you start with

(1) The Selfish Gene by Dawkins to get a decent grounding in evolutionary theory.  This one is very readable and is recognized as seminal in changing the basic understanding that it is the evolution of the genes themselves - not organisms- that is most important to evolution.

Then, there are several good books.  One I'm reading right now was also published in the 90s:

(2) The Moral Animal: Evolutionary Psychology and Everyday Life by Robert Wright.

There are then a couple of pretty interesting books specifically about sex and the human animal:

(3). The Evolution of Desire by David Buss, and
(4)  The Natural History of Rape by Thornhill and Palmer

The last book created a bit of a stir, with some of its conclusions, and is pretty much hated by the wacky feminist left, but its pretty eye-opening.

Firm



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 7:00:51 PM)





Particular model or not, we do not lose everything from the biology that the planet started with, elsewise we have no DNA, no RNA, no bacteria in the ground, nor in our gut. Which is to say we wouldn't be here.

Unless you think nature is as stupid as humans and just tosses out the last 200 million year process as soon as a newer layer is added.









FirmhandKY -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 7:10:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Particular model or not, we do not lose everything from the biology that the planet started with, elsewise we have no DNA, no RNA, no bacteria in the ground, nor in our gut. Which is to say we wouldn't be here.

Unless you think nature is as stupid as humans and just tosses out the last 200 million year process as soon as a newer layer is added.

Well, you are focusing on evolution.  That's good. But your model is wrong.

Can't get to the right destination if you map is wrong.

Firm



Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 7:10:31 PM)



Mea culpa, hannah,  Firm, and all others here.


In my haste to propose that tires were  better that sleds for cars, I stumbled upon a 'model' for concrete tires.

If people need a better model to grasp the concept of tires  vs. sleds (understandable), then they are available.













Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/29/2011 7:14:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Particular model or not, we do not lose everything from the biology that the planet started with, elsewise we have no DNA, no RNA, no bacteria in the ground, nor in our gut. Which is to say we wouldn't be here.

Unless you think nature is as stupid as humans and just tosses out the last 200 million year process as soon as a newer layer is added.

Well, you are focusing on evolution.  That's good. But your model is wrong.

Can't get to the right destination if you map is wrong.

Firm




"model or not"

That essentially eliminated a model as requirement to explain geology and evolution as a whole.

I don't think nature cares what model we do or don't have, having gotten along so well without it for this long.










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