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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 2:10:37 PM   
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In Iraq we sent ground troops in to kill the jihadists and help build a truly Democratic government, and we are continuing to help the people of Iraq build a brighter future for themselves to this day



This lie has been exposed even by your own intelligence agencies. Bush was told al Qaida were not operating in Iraq.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 3:00:33 PM   
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If you were to read the thread you would know that I am referring to the jihadists who consistently rush in to fill a power vacuum in that region.

And yes, Bush killed enormous numbers of al-Qaeda in Iraq - along with other jihadists

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In Iraq we sent ground troops in to kill the jihadists and help build a truly Democratic government, and we are continuing to help the people of Iraq build a brighter future for themselves to this day



This lie has been exposed even by your own intelligence agencies. Bush was told al Qaida were not operating in Iraq.


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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 3:06:30 PM   
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Catch up with current world events and you will learn that Americas "unique capabilities" were used to allow the "rebels" or jihadists or whoever they are to take control of Libya


This statement can only have been made by someone who was either catatonic, completely insane or is totally ignorant about events in Libya for the last 6 months.

Given some of Sanity's pronouncements on other issues, I'm inclined to go for the 'completely insane' option. Certainly, it can be added to the mountain of existing evidence demonstrating the certifiable insanity of the looney Right.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 3:11:48 PM   
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If you were to read the thread you would know that I am referring to the jihadists who consistently rush in to fill a power vacuum in that region.

And yes, Bush killed enormous numbers of al-Qaeda in Iraq - along with other jihadists




I never know what you mean, due to your habit of claiming you meant something else.

Ground Troops went in to remove Saddam. You kept on proclaiming it was liberation. The difference is there wasnt an uprising taking place in Iraq when Bush invaded, there was in libya when Obama allowed us drones to be used.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 3:13:26 PM   
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In Iraq we sent ground troops in to kill the jihadists and help build a truly Democratic government, and we are continuing to help the people of Iraq build a brighter future for themselves to this day


This statement can only have been made by someone who was either catatonic, completely insane or is totally ignorant about events in Iraq.

Given some of Sanity's pronouncements on other issues, his wholly imaginary understanding of the Libyan revolution (see post 43) it's more evidence to add weight to the 'completely insane' option. Certainly, it can be added to the mountain of existing evidence demonstrating the certifiable insanity of the looney Right.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 3:16:26 PM   
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Again, try reading the thread and you may gain some clarity

And explain to tweaker bell what drones you are referring to, as she is completely ignorant as to how the Libyan "rebels" got to where they are today

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If you were to read the thread you would know that I am referring to the jihadists who consistently rush in to fill a power vacuum in that region.

And yes, Bush killed enormous numbers of al-Qaeda in Iraq - along with other jihadists




I never know what you mean, due to your habit of claiming you meant something else.

Ground Troops went in to remove Saddam. You kept on proclaiming it was liberation. The difference is there wasnt an uprising taking place in Iraq when Bush invaded, there was in libya when Obama allowed us drones to be used.


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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 3:21:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any one interested in the issue of CIA/MI6 co-operation with the monster Ghaddafi, issues of 'rendition' and associated torture ought to read this piece in today's Guardian.

The article covers the abduction of Belhaj in Bangkok, his negotiations with the British prior to his abduction, his torture in Thailand and Libya, and subsequent interviews with MI6 and other Western intelligence services while a prisoner of Ghaddafi in Tripoli's notorious Abu Selim prison.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 3:52:25 PM   
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At least you admit we weren't going into Iraq to fight Jihadists.

Afghanistan, yes jihadists behind every damn rock. Who created the regime change that allowed that? Hint. Reagan and Dubya's daddy.

As for Iran. The regime change we helped foster there was well before Carter. The Shah took power in 1941. Every president between then and Carter shares the blame for propping him up until a 'critical mass' of political unrest was reached and caught us with our pants down presumably because we were depending on him for intelligence.


Well, for completeness we need to mention that the Reagan Administration conspired with and armed the Iranian terrorists...

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 4:09:48 PM   
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Well, for completeness we need to mention that the Reagan Administration conspired with and armed the Iranian terrorists...


In the spirit of completeness, let's not forget Bush I's betrayal of the Iraqi Shia after Gulf War I.

Following the end of hostilities in Gulf War I, Bush I urged the Iraqi people to rise up and get rid of Saddam Hussein. The Shia took Bush I at his word and duly rebelled against Saddam, believing that they would get US help (like the Kurds). They didn't receive any US help.

Saddam's subsequent slaughter of the Iraqi Shia is usually measured in the hundreds of thousands dead. Those Americans who can't understand the Iraqi people's less than enthusiastic response to their 'liberation' by Bush the Dumber, or the less than stellar reputation the US enjoys in the Arab world might do well to remember these events.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 7:31:54 PM   
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Can you say Iraq?

Now explain the difference to me.

Oh wait, I know, it's a Democrat in office.




Still stuck on that false assertion about me thinking Iraq was a bright idea, huh, RML?  We did it, we owned it, and we got stuck there.  Note I said "we," because while Bush went to Congress, and got his approval (whether some like how that was done, or not), Obama went on TV, and then went off to Central America for a bit.  When it came up again, he wound giving himself a "remote control" waiver.  I would just as soon he not get us stuck someplace else, strictly on his own say so.  Note I said "he," on that one. 

The primary difference after that would be the size and composition of the groups that hate each other.  Once Kuhdaffy is removed as the common enemy, it might get very ugly.  Did you note for instance, that the change of command ceremony in their forces involves arresting the guy, executing him and his aides along the drive back, and then setting the bodies on fire? 

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 7:53:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still peddling the delusion that Libya is some how an American war Heretic?

Facts are the US was involved directly for about one week at the beginning of foreign intervention allegedly to prevent "genocide' by Ghaddafi. After that it's role has been confined to sending drones in and helping with a naval blockade. The French and Brits have troops on the ground, bombers in the air and are supplying Special Forces, arms, finance and diplomatic cover.

The US role is peripheral. I'm sure this saddens an ageing war monger such as yourself - indeed all the armchair generals everywhere - but it's true. It's hardly a US war.

The Libyan revolution has been driven by Libyans with overwhelmingly European support. That you appear blithely unaware of this is an indication of how out of touch with reality you are, and how idiotic your partisan pronouncements are. Your sole purpose and interest is to use the Libyan situation a stick to beat Obama with.

Obama's record there, from a US perspective, is that all US policy goals to date have been realised at minimal cost and zero casualties. That you can find something in that record to quibble with is merely an indication of blinkered and ideologically-driven your view of things is. Utterly pathetic.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 9:14:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't fail to amaze me that when a British Tory PM approves of a war, the whole Commonwealth dances to his tune.

If the United States goes to steal Iraqi oil that is an evil thing to any of the Queen's subjects, but if a Brit does a similar thing on behalf of his French associates, it is all good, Commonwealth wide.

Do explain how this curious dichotomy works.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 9:40:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I felt your idiotic anti-European bigotry had anything to it other than bigotry, I might address it.

As the "whole Commonwealth danc[ing to Cameron's] tune" exists in your head and only in your head, it's hardly worth addressing. If you're unwilling or unable to see that Libyans are glad to get rid of the monster Ghaddafi, it'd be pretty pointless anyway.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 10:02:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Twisting things around on this thread as well, are you Tweak?  I'm quite aware of how the operations in Libya have been conducted.  I've barely mentioned the ops flown by other countries under the NATO umbrella because I don't much care.  I'm a US citizen, I'm interested in the US aspects of the situation, not how other countries with inferior technological and logistical capabilities carry their end of the load.  I'm also quite interested in the legal path my President took, and the precedent he set, in employing our "unique capabilities," to support and prosecute the war.  France, the UK, and the other players?  Not  so much. 

Thanks for playing.  Have a happy spring day.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/5/2011 10:11:06 PM   
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If I felt your idiotic anti-European bigotry had anything to it other than bigotry, I might address it.

As the "whole Commonwealth danc[ing to Cameron's] tune" exists in your head and only in your head, it's hardly worth addressing. If you're unwilling or unable to see that Libyans are glad to get rid of the monster Ghaddafi, it'd be pretty pointless anyway.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.


You were the one claiming most all of  Europe supports this.- "The Libyan revolution has been driven by Libyans with overwhelmingly European support." are your own words from post #50, no?

So since when is it bigotry to point out your own admitted European warmongering?

And frankly since Oz, Canada and UK Anglos have all weighed in on how they support this oil war, do we really need a hobbit to post from Christchurch to complete the set?

But do play your little race card.

After all, the rest of the planet is prejudiced against Anglo-Saxons for no apparent reasons, certainly all the slavery, conquests  and genocide they committed in the name of Anglo-Saxon profit from one end of the planet to the other over the last 500 years is no grounds the rest of the planet should think badly of them, especially where the lot is seen as going thieving yet again, this time in Libya.

Not that this explains the duplicity of rounding up the current leader of Libyan rebels and torturing him and his wife on KDaffy's bequest and then hoping to be this jihadist leader's friend the next year, or some of the other schizophrenic things the US and the UK have been doing, as previously noted.

Round up me and my woman and torture us, and I warrant I will never be your friend, you better have your food tasted before you eat it after that performance, never mind expecting me to be your friend and ally.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/6/2011 5:06:41 AM   
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You were the one claiming most all of  Europe supports this.- "The Libyan revolution has been driven by Libyans with overwhelmingly European support." are your own words from post #50, no?

So since when is it bigotry to point out your own admitted European warmongering?




Tweaks had it right, all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect.

You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces.

Lucky, is that you ?

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/6/2011 6:11:13 AM   
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This kind of mindless hate spew is typical of rudesub, pay him no mind

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Tweaks had it right, all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect.

You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces.

Lucky, is that you ?


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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/6/2011 6:57:49 AM   
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Tweaks had it right, all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect.

You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces.

Lucky, is that you ?


I see. With the kingdom you are living in falling apart at the seams, extreme austerity measures and your military being sacked by the thousands, you still have the time and money to carry the white man's burden in Africa.

Nothing like seeing the British lions Cameron and Clegg harnessed to the neo-Napoleon's triumphant Libyan chariot. A step down from being Bush the Younger's posse. So who is the UK going to be the hired help for next, Albania?

But British see yourselves as being the victims of some racial bigotry now do you? Coming from the white ethnic group who invented everything from the Klan and the Orange Order to concentration camps and chattel slavery as imperial institutions,  while ethnically cleansing whole continents with biological weapons, this is rich.

But it is curious how this humanitarian concern only seems to appear in the UK and the rest of the EU as far as that goes, when there is money to be made for your ruling class.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/6/2011 8:23:52 AM   
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all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect.

You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces.

I mentioned before that I believed FirstQuaker is French-Canadian due to his slightly odd use of English and his comments about Canada suggesting some familiarity. There are occasional peaks of sectarian/separatist tension there from the French quarter. It would explain how he is up in arms about what he repeatedly calls the "anglo-sphere" which he lumps the US in with, goes on about British colonialism whilst ignoring the impact of the French equivalent including in the Mid-East, and obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue. Ah well, good luck to him and his viewpoint!

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/6/2011 8:52:47 AM   
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all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect.

You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces.

I mentioned before that I believed FirstQuaker is French-Canadian due to his slightly odd use of English and his comments about Canada suggesting some familiarity. There are occasional peaks of sectarian/separatist tension there from the French quarter. It would explain how he is up in arms about what he repeatedly calls the "anglo-sphere" which he lumps the US in with, goes on about British colonialism whilst ignoring the impact of the French equivalent including in the Mid-East, and obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue. Ah well, good luck to him and his viewpoint!



Not very much in the way of a diverse education among you Zionists, I see.

Anglosphere

But since you don't think I criticized the Hungarian carpetbagger and his nation's oil imperialism and thievery enough, perhaps you should roast your French champions for us. You have everywhere from Haiti to Vietnam to work with, as a background to paint on.

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