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Did the little man get his feeling hurt again?

While you are applying the ethanol to your bruised ego, consider how it also turns out the defense contractors in the Anglosphere were working on their Libyan military contracts up until the last minute...

Blah blah blah, this childish name calling whilst completely ignoring my points is doing your cred a lot of favours!

You have a point concerning the topic? Do tell.

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LOL if you have questions I suggest you contact the British Embassy in Canada. I was making a single point about your bias against the British on this thread in relation to this very topic, which I have already justified many times. As I have said many times already, my point was on topic because it related to your approach to the very subject of the thread.

Note how FirstQuaker keeps firing questions at myself when I was not discussing those particular points whilst repeatedly ignoring my responses to his very questions such as in Post 97 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3837614

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20.30 Britain's chief diplomat in Tripoli, Dominic Asquith, has refused to apologise to Abdul Hakim Belhadj, the military commander of the Libyan capital. Mr Belhadj confronted Mr Asquith after it emerged MI6 helped in his "rendition" to torture and ill-treatment at the hands of the CIA and the Gaddafi regime. Mr Belhadj's spokesman has said the lack of apology was "unfortunate". Unfortunately, the Special Representative did not offer Mr Belhadj any apology or regret. He said he was not in a position to do so because David Cameron had set up an inquiry. Mr Belhaj replied that the British Government already knows very well that it was involved in his rendition. He said he hoped the inquiry would not be a whitewash or a cover-up. Abdul Hakim Belhadj British human rights lawyers have reportedly approached Mr Belhadj over his case 20.24 Tony Blair's policy of close engagement with Libya ended up fuelling the power obsession of Col Gaddafi's son and heir apparent Saif al-Islam, Khaled Kaim, the former Libyan deputy foreign minister, has told The Daily Telegraph. He claims that despite Saif's reputation as a reformer, it was he and his cronies who took a strong line against the rebels.

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There is a british high commission in ottawa and several british consulates in seven provinces, which are practically the same as an embassy..unless you are purposefully playing semantic games.

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Between members of the Commonwealth of Nations there are no embassies, but High Commissions, as Commonwealth nations share a special diplomatic relationship. It is generally expected that an embassy of a Commonwealth country in a non-Commonwealth country will do its best to provide diplomatic services to citizens from other Commonwealth countries if the citizen's country does not have an embassy in that country.

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so you were just playing semantic games, funnny boy
the queen may not need them but expats often do, the same as with an embassy operations
To an ex pat, they are the same thing.

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LOL if you have questions I suggest you contact the British Embassy in Canada. I was making a single point about your bias against the British on this thread in relation to this very topic, which I have already justified many times. As I have said many times already, my point was on topic because it related to your approach to the very subject of the thread.

Note how FirstQuaker keeps firing questions at myself when I was not discussing those particular points whilst repeatedly ignoring my responses to his very questions such as in Post 97 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3837614

So you have nothing top add to the topic?

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Most normal people would wonder why a supposed Irishman worries as much as you do about the negative reputation and image of your British brethren, regarding their 500 year history of invading other places for fun and profit.

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(BTW, there is no "British Embassy" in Canada or many other Commonwealth countries or territories.)

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In the Commonwealth of Nations, a High Commissioner is the senior diplomat (ranking as an ambassador) in charge of the diplomatic mission of one Commonwealth government to another. In this usage, a Commonwealth nation's High Commission is its embassy to another Commonwealth nation.

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In the Commonwealth of Nations, a High Commissioner is the senior diplomat (generally ranking as ambassador) in charge of the diplomatic mission of one Commonwealth government to another.

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But while you are pondering that, it looks like the British government is having to meet with the man diplomatically, while explaining whey they had him and his pregnant wife tortured at the request of KDaffy, the CIA and who knows who else...

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Ahh so now I'm "a supposed Irishman". The other day you were saying I'm a European official. You are truly proving to be the equivalent of the 9/11 conspiracist troofers on here.

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Abdul Hakim Belhadj, the military commander of the Libyan capital, confronted Dominic Asquith, the UK special representative, after it emerged that MI6 had helped in his "rendition" to torture and ill-treatment at the hands of the CIA and the Gaddafi regime. Mr Belhadj also warned Mr Asquith against any British "cover-up" of the matter. His spokesman said Mr Asquith's refusal to apologise was "unfortunate."

The meeting came as The Daily Telegraph learned that a number of British human rights lawyers have offered their services to Mr Belhadj and another man, Sami Saadi, also known as Abu Munthir, who was also "rendered" to a Gaddafi jail with MI6 help. Mr Saadi said on Wednesday that he had been "tricked" by the British, who lured him into a trap that led to his imprisonment for six years and starvation in a Libyan jail.


Both men say they intend to sue the British Government.

Describing the meeting, Mr Belhadj's spokesman said: "Mr Belhadj told the Special Representative that he was very sorry and surprised at Britain's behaviour and he asked for an apology.

"Unfortunately, the Special Representative did not offer Mr Belhadj any apology or regret. He said he was not in a position to do so because David Cameron had set up an inquiry. Mr Belhaj replied that the British Government already knows very well that it was involved in his rendition. He said he hoped the inquiry would not be a whitewash or a cover-up."

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Ahh so now I'm "a supposed Irishman". The other day you were saying I'm a European official. You are truly proving to be the equivalent of the 9/11 conspiracist troofers on here.

You are the one listing Eire as your location. Of course Ireland is part of the EU and Europe as far as is known. But you are certainly fit to work in Brussels, if you do or not.

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And  as you noted you have said the same meaningless things twenty times, perhaps if you write them in large colored text, and in funny fonts, they might acquire some meaning.

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But it was nice to see you looked up what a High Commission and a High Commissioner actually was (it is still the Governor or Governor-Genreal in some cases, and more so in times past) , so as to further your limited education as the result of this. But real countries get embassies, while British Empire remnants still ruled from England get High Commissions, and pass these High Commissions among themselves along with High Commissioners.

(Who owns a Canadian Passport? Queen Lizzie, it is her Royal Prerogative.)

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While you ponder that, the news media has got around to producing articles on the meeting of the British ambassador with the Libyan military leader that was tortured and the UK's failure to apologize - ...

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Stop fucking copying and pasting articles into my replies. You have been doing this continually. It is more of your trickery just as you cannot do anything other than strawmanning.

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He said he did not blame Britain for pursuing oil deals in Libya after relations were restored with Tripoli, but that in future there should be more transparency.
"I don't think any government should be ashamed of promoting its citizens' interests, including business," he said. "But it should be a fair and square deal, and not involve abuses of human rights at every turn for the sake of commercial interests."

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Stop fucking copying and pasting articles into my replies. You have been doing this continually. It is more of your trickery just as you cannot do anything other than strawmanning.

You should whine to the moderators about me hacking your posts, and putting articles in them, and how mine have pictures in them, especially since this all offends you so much.

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And  while you are doing that consider Khaled Kaim's statement from the ToryGraph where he criticized the secrecy behind Blair swapping the Lockerbie bomber off for oil concessions, and the willingness of the UK to rendition people to please Kdaffy  - ...

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Stop fucking copying and pasting articles into my replies. You have been doing this continually. It is more of your trickery just as you cannot do anything other than strawmanning.

You should whine to the moderators about me hacking your posts, and putting articles in them, and how mine have pictures in them, especially since this all offends you so much.

There seems to be no end to FirstQuaker's dishonesty, nor can he stop strawmanning. He actually suggested to me in his post 109 (just above) that I should use fancy multi-couloured fonts etc., and now pretends I'm whining about it when I pointed that this tactic is what he actually does.

Neither did I say he hacked my posts. I said he is trying to obfuscate by inserting large tracts of text from articles unrelated to the particular issues to which he was and should have been replying, and he is still doing it such as below which has been repeatedly pasted in this thread such as in Post 109. This is unacceptable trollish behaviour in a debate.

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And  while you are doing that consider Khaled Kaim's statement from the ToryGraph where he criticized the secrecy behind Blair swapping the Lockerbie bomber off for oil concessions, and the willingness of the UK to rendition people to please Kdaffy  - ...

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Secret MI6 and CIA documents discovered in Tripoli last week show that Mr Belhadj, a former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, was arrested in Thailand and interrogated by the CIA after a tip-off from MI6. Mr Belhadj says he was tortured during this interrogation. He was then shipped in a CIA aircraft to Libya for further questioning, including by MI6 officers, and held in the notorious Abu Salim prison for six years. Mr Belhadj says he told his MI6 questioners that he was being tortured in Libya, but they took no action. In the documents a senior MI6 officer, Mark Allen, wrote to "congratulate" the Libyan intelligence service over Mr Belhadj's arrival, describing him as "air cargo" whose information was of "urgent importance to us." Mr Allen said that the intelligence which had led to Mr Belhadj's rendition "was British."

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Note how FirstQuaker keeps firing questions...

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Here we go again with FirstQuakers continual strawmanning...

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There seems to be no end to FirstQuaker's dishonesty...

You appear to have lapsed into some kind of performance in which you imagine yourself addressing an assembly.

K.

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You appear to have lapsed into some kind of performance in which you imagine yourself addressing an assembly.

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Yes, you did claim I was putting things in your replies.

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You should complain on behalf of both Ireland and the UK to the moderators about me hijacking the thread like that.

And while you are at it consider how Abdul Hakim Belhadj was arrested in a joint operation by the CIA and MI6 and then turned over to Kdaffy - [edited out as off topic to reply]

Now that I have further hijacked your thread with off topic articles.

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Yes, you did claim I was putting things in your replies.

When I made that point it should have been clear that I meant in relation to your replies to me since I quoted one of your passages of text to which it applied immediately above it.

I also criticised this tendency of yours to paste loads of material into most of your previous answers so your apparent misunderstanding is just more strawmanning yet again.

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You should complain on behalf of both Ireland and the UK to the moderators about me hijacking the thread like that.

And while you are at it consider how Abdul Hakim Belhadj was arrested in a joint operation by the CIA and MI6 and then turned over to Kdaffy - [edited out as off topic to reply]

Now that I have further hijacked your thread with off topic articles.

Is there any end to this silliness of yours FirstQuaker? You obviously have some sort of vendetta because I posted on here about your attitude toward the British. You don't own any thread that you start, and once again I would like to point out that I have not been following you around on this forum attacking you, unlike say how K has been to me recently.

My point is simple. I said you were purposely obfuscating by pasting in large tracts of text in your replies to my posts, and continually firing questions at myself which were not remotely relevant to the points I made about what seems to be a distinct prejudice on your part, whilst ignoring most of what I have said, including my responses to your own questions when they were relevant. Other than the issue of your replies to my posts, post up whatever you like on this thread. It is strawmanning to suggest I took issue with that.

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With the hunt on for Moammar Gadhafi, Blair acknowledged his horror over the Libyan's repression of his people, even as he defended his own instrumental role in returning Gadhafi to the international fold — a deal sealed with a handshake in a 2004 meeting inside a tent.

Blair said "it was shocking and it's a profound shame" to see Gadhafi use violence against his own people in an attempt to cling to power.

But he said his Libya policy made the world a safer place.

"People saying 'don't you feel you shouldn't have dealt with Gadhafi now', of course we should deal with him, because we got him to change his policy on nuclear and chemical weapons, which was vitally important for the world security, and instead of sponsoring terrorism, they were cooperating in the fight against it," he said.

"The trouble is that the external policy change wasn't matched by the internal one," Blair said. "Then when he brutalizes his own people, then the action against him is completely justified.

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Is there any end to this silliness of yours FirstQuaker? You obviously have some sort of vendetta because I posted on here about your attitude toward the British. You don't own any thread that you start, and once again I would like to point out that I have not been following you around on this forum attacking you, unlike say how K has been to me recently.

My point is simple. I said you were purposely obfuscating by pasting in large tracts of text in your replies to my posts, and continually firing questions at myself which were not remotely relevant to the points I made about what seems to be a distinct prejudice on your part, whilst ignoring most of what I have said, including my responses to your own questions when they were relevant. Other than the issue of your replies to my posts, post up whatever you like on this thread. It is strawmanning to suggest I took issue with that.

So it offends you that I post links and text that concerns or is relevant the topic of the thread? And you see this as a vendetta against you.

You should complain to the moderators about that too.

And while you are drafting this complaint, examine Tony the Blairs recent interview regarding Libya - ... [edited out as off topic to reply]

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Is there any end to this silliness of yours FirstQuaker? You obviously have some sort of vendetta because I posted on here about your attitude toward the British. You don't own any thread that you start, and once again I would like to point out that I have not been following you around on this forum attacking you, unlike say how K has been to me recently.

My point is simple. I said you were purposely obfuscating by pasting in large tracts of text in your replies to my posts, and continually firing questions at myself which were not remotely relevant to the points I made about what seems to be a distinct prejudice on your part, whilst ignoring most of what I have said, including my responses to your own questions when they were relevant. Other than the issue of your replies to my posts, post up whatever you like on this thread. It is strawmanning to suggest I took issue with that.

So it offends you that I post links and text that concerns or is relevant the topic of the thread? And you see this as a vendetta against you.

You should complain to the moderators about that too.

And while you are drafting this complaint, examine Tony the Blairs recent interview regarding Libya - ... [edited out as off topic to reply]

Firstquaker, the only time there will be honest discussion with you is when you stop misrepresenting the views of those you disagree with. This is a consistent characteristic of any debate I had with you. I made it clear repeatedly, and in the post to which you reply (see bolded text) that I have no issue with you posting up large tracts of text on this thread but actually my point is that you have been consistently doing it in your replies to me whilst repeatedly firing questions at me not relevant to the points I raised. And you did the very same in your post here. Its a very simple point and a reasonable one. You have been doing this for quite a few pages now, despite my requests to stop so yes it does look quite like you have a grudge, and I never mentioned the mods. I think you need to learn to live with legitimate criticism when you put your thoughts out there for others to read.

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12.38 Tony Blair has said that he has no regrets about helping bring Gaddafi in from the cold in 2004. The former prime minister, now a Middle East envoy, was asked if he regretted handing out the olive branch to the ex-Libyan dictator. He answered: No. I always say to people it is absolutely simple - the external policy of Libya changed... The trouble was in the end they weren't prepared to reform internally ... They were less of a threat to the outside world, but inside they were a threat to their people and then when the uprising happened, again, there was a big choice... I remember actually speaking to Colonel Gaddafi at the time (the uprising) happened and saying this is the moment to realise you are going to have to go and be the person that gives it up