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Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 10:16:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Be careful what you are eating!  Monsanto is launching its first GMO sweet corn, aimed at the fresh market.  Do you really want to serve your family corn that is "Roundup Ready"? 
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFN1E77315R20110804

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 10:32:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		unless you raise your own food and you got your seeds and livestock before 1990, you're already easting gmo foods and probably don't even know it.

http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/gm-foods.php

Foods don't have to have a label saying they are gmo for it to be sold in markets. Oh and because it's labeled organic doesn't mean it's not gmo. It just means it hasn't been sprayed with pesticide or any other chemical been used on it. GMO is not considered a chemical, just gene splicing. It's still organic.



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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 10:35:21 AM   
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Do you really want to serve your family corn that is "Roundup Ready"? 


Why are you trying to appeal to emotion here? it sounds like you're opposed to this.

Is there some known health problem with this product? One would assume it hs to pass stringent safety tests before being allowed to be sold for human consumption

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 10:46:52 AM   
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Do you really want to serve your family corn that is "Roundup Ready"? 


Why are you trying to appeal to emotion here? it sounds like you're opposed to this.

hmmm, well, that is what gmo from monsanto is, its roundup ready (so they can sell the farmer both their seed and their chemicals).. so its fact, not emotion..

If you want to take the chance then go ahead, some people would rather not tho.. and still others are opposed to the bully monsanto and its strong arm tactics and dont want to support them in any way. Having grown up on a small farm, i dislike monsanto with a passion...

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 10:55:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Frankenfood has been quite an issue over the years and I'm surprised that the subject doesn't come up here more often.

The problem is a lack of trust because the agencies responsible for food and drug safety are stacked with people who have a vested interest in the industry. What they call comprehensive testing might not be quite. For example watch the TV one day and look at the commercials for class action lawsuits. One of the biggest ones now are the drugs that were supposdedly tested and then it was found later that they cause burth defects. The same people also think it's OK to pump mercury compounds into infants. You can scream all the way home about how safe it supposedly is but simple common sense says otherwise.

Same with foods. Why are there no cyclamates in food these days ? Now before figuring that out, how many years did they use that artuifical sweetener before pulling it off the market ? And why was it pulled off the market ? Hadn't it been tested before it was used ? Which time were they wrong ? Or, which time did they lie ?

So what happens in a few years when they find out the hard way that their wonderful new frankenfood causes some nasty ailment, or birth defects or brain problems or - who the hell knows ? They don't WANT to know, it might cost them money to know. Ya know ?

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 10:59:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Genetically modified food will one day end world hunger, IIRC we are already able to feed a billion more people than an organic agriculture could ever possibly cope with. If you're opposed to genetically modified food, you're practically supporting the deaths of a billion people.

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:03:08 AM   
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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:13:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, hangem, industrialized agriculture is damaging to farmers, consumers, the planet and animals.  All in the name of feeding as many people as we can crowd on the planet.  So yes, I do think it is a bad thing.  I also think our food supply has become progressively less healthy over the past 30 years, and this is reflected in our over all well being.  I also question the morality of the way farm animals are treated and raised. 
As for Round Up ready products, who do you think is overseeing whether they are truly safe?  Federal Regulatory agencies are simply a revolving door.  People start their careers there, and end up working for the very companies they were supposed to be overseeing.  How diligent do you think they really are? 
Round Up ready corn might be OK for corn that is produced into fuel and other non food products, and that is IF you are willing to overlook the long term use of pesticide and fertilizer use on the soil and water supply.    Aside from that, patented seeds, that can't be saved, are damaging economically to small farmers.  They are patented products that must be repurchased every year.  Monsanto is not in business to help consumers or the farmers, believe me.
Termy, half the time you are the most rational person on these boards. 



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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:14:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's much more humane ways to control population growth than starving a billion people to death.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and it's so selfish and ignorant of us to feed people. We should be ashamed.

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:16:12 AM   
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My objection is not so much that it is GMO, although it does concern me.  It is the use of pesticides (Round up ready?) that primarily concerns me, as a health issue.  But if you think it is safe, enjoy.
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unless you raise your own food and you got your seeds and livestock before 1990, you're already easting gmo foods and probably don't even know it.

http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/gm-foods.php

Foods don't have to have a label saying they are gmo for it to be sold in markets. Oh and because it's labeled organic doesn't mean it's not gmo. It just means it hasn't been sprayed with pesticide or any other chemical been used on it. GMO is not considered a chemical, just gene splicing. It's still organic.




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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:17:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree.  But we won't do those things either.
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There's much more humane ways to control population growth than starving a billion people to death.


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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:18:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno..I'm almost  40 and still alive and healthy...no health problems that I'm aware of so yeah I do think they're pretty safe. Cultures have been using chemicals on plants for as long as humans have been around. Plants have been genetically modified by humans for just as long. They just called it cross breeding instead.



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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:22:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good for you.  So, since you seem to know a lot about this, what cultures and what chemicals were being used "as long as humans have been around"?  Just curious.
Also, you do understand that genetic modification is different from hybridization, right?  If not, here is a helpful link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism

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I dunno..I'm almost  40 and still alive and healthy...no health problems that I'm aware of so yeah I do think they're pretty safe. Cultures have been using chemicals on plants for as long as humans have been around. Plants have been genetically modified by humans for just as long. They just called it cross breeding instead.




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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:24:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, a few things.

First the head of the FDA was formerly like the CEO of Monsanto...no conflict of interest there right?

Second, the way they genetically modify the corn/soybeans is to inject part of an ecoli virus into the nucleus of the cells...how long before that mutates into something undesirable?

Third, using the amount of pesticide that Round Up ready crops use, it is killing the fertility of the soil, so that whatever boost you get initially has a sharp drop on the bell curve within a few years. So, you'll still be starving billions of people, or even more once the soil fertility is damaged beyond repair.

Finally, there have been tests done with Hamsters that show that within 3 generations of them eating GMO food, they are rendered sterile. I guess that is one way to control the population, but do you want your grandchildren to be the last of your family?

And actually you can get heirloom seed that is not genetically modified. The largest problem is that you can't legally label your product as "Non-GMO" compliments of the Monsanto insiders in the FDA.

If you're not outraged by now, you should be. And I do grow a considerable amount of my fruits and vegetables organically, in my own yard and with heirloom seed. So it can be done.

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:39:31 AM   
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Genetically modified food will one day end world hunger, IIRC we are already able to feed a billion more people than an organic agriculture could ever possibly cope with. If you're opposed to genetically modified food, you're practically supporting the deaths of a billion people.



You think monsanto is doing gmo seed to be altruistic? lol They have a low price initially to get farmers hooked on buying their crap with the view that once they have taken over the seed markets then they will raise prices year after year... I believe on some they have already started doing that..

They are in business to make big money and they fully intend to.. that means, higher and higher food prices... if people cant afford food now, just wait..

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:46:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not only that, but there are more than a few cases of Monsanto suing farmers who had farms adjacent to other farmers using the Monsanto seed that got cross pollinated. It's uncontrollable because of the very nature of pollination, and one would think the farmers could counter sue for infecting their crops with the GMO material, but, in some cases it has put farmers out of business or even caused the loss of their farms.

I also always thought it was strange that Monsanto bought Xe, which was formerly Blackwater.

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:47:28 AM   
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arsenic and sulfur just to name a few of the chemicals that were used in ancient times as pesticides

and as for plants being gene spliced long before gmo....

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/in_favor.html


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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:49:19 AM   
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Finally, there have been tests done with Hamsters that show that within 3 generations of them eating GMO food, they are rendered sterile. I guess that is one way to control the population, but do you want your grandchildren to be the last of your family?

Hi there... I am not questioning what you are saying, just dont recall reading about that before,.. do you have any links so i can read more about that?

Do you have favorite heirloom seed suppliers?

And about heirloom veggies, there have been studies that show they have higher levels of vitamins and all the good stuff people need.. another reason to shun gmo..

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 11:57:00 AM   
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http://agrochemicals.iupac.org/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=31

arsenic and sulfur just to name a few of the chemicals that were used in ancient times as pesticides

and as for plants being gene spliced long before gmo....

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/in_favor.html


I grew up on a farm and my parents didnt use pesticides at all.. in fact, my mother (who was also a nurse) would get very upset when the farmer next door was spraying his crops, you could see the drift of it being carried on the air to our property... ugh..

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RE: Monsanto launching bio engineered sweet corn - 9/6/2011 12:07:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the link on the use of chemicals by the Sumerians (although sulfur is naturally occuring, which somewhat distinguishes it from ag chemicals today) and arsenic (also naturally occuring.  I can't help but wonder how that worked out for them).
However, you are just dead wrong on the gene splicing

The article you quoted says this:  Genetic modification (GM) of crops, like any other new technology, should be viewed in the light of what has gone before. Mankind has been manipulating the genetics of crops for around 10,000 years. Wheat, the world's major crop, is a hybrid of different species. It probably arose from a rare natural occurrence but has subsequently been maintained artificially."

True GM, or gene splicing as you call it, looks like it was developed around 1974.  That is from the article you cited.

Again, hybridization and cross breeding is different than "gene splicing".

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http://agrochemicals.iupac.org/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=31

arsenic and sulfur just to name a few of the chemicals that were used in ancient times as pesticides

and as for plants being gene spliced long before gmo....

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/in_favor.html



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