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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Are you blonde? 

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

Ya'll know, don'tcha that every single major food crop that mankind cultivates has been "genetically modified" for hundreds of years?  As well as all food animals that we eat?

We just used "old technology".

Hell, Lager Beer is the result of an apparent natural genetic modification to beer yeast, several hundred years ago.

"Frankenfood" is almost all mankind has been eating for the past thousand years, at least.

And we just keep dying younger and younger, don't we?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

... what chemicals were being used "as long as humans have been around"?  Just curious.

Carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, sodium chloride, urea, cellulose, lignin and polysaccharides... to name a few. 

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

You should try reading the context before you shoot off your mouth. Little wonder was saying that chemicals, presumably similar to roundup , have been used for 1000s of years. How are the things you cite similar to roundup or other petrochemicals used in agriculture? And exactly how did ancient farmers apply oxegon and nitrogen, or any of the other things you name?

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

... what chemicals were being used "as long as humans have been around"?  Just curious.

Carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, sodium chloride, urea, cellulose, lignin and polysaccharides... to name a few. 

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

You should try reading the context before you shoot off your mouth. Little wonder was saying that chemicals, presumably similar to roundup , have been used for 1000s of years. How are the things you cite similar to roundup or other petrochemicals used in agriculture? And exactly how did ancient farmers apply oxegon and nitrogen, or any of the other things you name?

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

... what chemicals were being used "as long as humans have been around"?  Just curious.

Carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, sodium chloride, urea, cellulose, lignin and polysaccharides... to name a few. 

Animal shit.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

You asked what chemicals were around. Treasure gave you a list. You asked how they were able to use those chemicals, specifically nitrogen and oxygen. Keep in mind that they also used ash, seashells and clay. Some ash and clay can be forms of petrochemicals.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Yes, hangem, industrialized agriculture is damaging to farmers, consumers, the planet and animals.  All in the name of feeding as many people as we can crowd on the planet.  So yes, I do think it is a bad thing.  I also think our food supply has become progressively less healthy over the past 30 years, and this is reflected in our over all well being.  I also question the morality of the way farm animals are treated and raised. 
As for Round Up ready products, who do you think is overseeing whether they are truly safe?  Federal Regulatory agencies are simply a revolving door.  People start their careers there, and end up working for the very companies they were supposed to be overseeing.  How diligent do you think they really are? 
Round Up ready corn might be OK for corn that is produced into fuel and other non food products, and that is IF you are willing to overlook the long term use of pesticide and fertilizer use on the soil and water supply.    Aside from that, patented seeds, that can't be saved, are damaging economically to small farmers.  They are patented products that must be repurchased every year.  Monsanto is not in business to help consumers or the farmers, believe me.
Termy, half the time you are the most rational person on these boards. 

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

Well, a few things.

First the head of the FDA was formerly like the CEO of Monsanto...no conflict of interest there right?

Second, the way they genetically modify the corn/soybeans is to inject part of an ecoli virus into the nucleus of the cells...how long before that mutates into something undesirable?

Third, using the amount of pesticide that Round Up ready crops use, it is killing the fertility of the soil, so that whatever boost you get initially has a sharp drop on the bell curve within a few years. So, you'll still be starving billions of people, or even more once the soil fertility is damaged beyond repair.

Finally, there have been tests done with Hamsters that show that within 3 generations of them eating GMO food, they are rendered sterile. I guess that is one way to control the population, but do you want your grandchildren to be the last of your family?

And actually you can get heirloom seed that is not genetically modified. The largest problem is that you can't legally label your product as "Non-GMO" compliments of the Monsanto insiders in the FDA.

If you're not outraged by now, you should be. And I do grow a considerable amount of my fruits and vegetables organically, in my own yard and with heirloom seed. So it can be done.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

http://agrochemicals.iupac.org/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=31

arsenic and sulfur just to name a few of the chemicals that were used in ancient times as pesticides

and as for plants being gene spliced long before gmo....

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/in_favor.html

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

Ya'll know, don'tcha that every single major food crop that mankind cultivates has been "genetically modified" for hundreds of years? As well as all food animals that we eat?

We just used "old technology".

Hell, Lager Beer is the result of an apparent natural genetic modification to beer yeast, several hundred years ago.

"Frankenfood" is almost all mankind has been eating for the past thousand years, at least.

And we just keep dying younger and younger, don't we?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

The Hamster test you can read about here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html

As to seed suppliers, there are quite a few, and a google search will show them, but I personally use http://www.willhiteseed.com/ for quite a lot of my seed, but even there, I comb through and get the seed specifically marked heirloom.

I use raised bed and grow "biointensive" which is well worth studying for higher yields in less space with less water required and less weeding as well. Crop rotation is critical, and growing nitrogen fixers in off seasons helps preserve soil structure. Also, I don't use any pesticides, but I do use organic molasses to discourage insect problems. The big thing I've found with gardening is that when you frequently rotate your crops and keep good soil structure, pests are much less of a problem. Other simple things like picking up any dropped fruit and disposing of it also helps cut down on unwanted critters.

Next year I plan to keep bees as well, as the increase in pollination from it produces quite a difference in my opinion. And you get the additional benefit of honey.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Good answer. I don't believe I have heard animal shit described as a chemical before today. Or oxegon for that matter. You never know what people are going to say on these boards.

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession
I also always thought it was strange that Monsanto bought Xe, which was formerly Blackwater.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Good answer. I don't believe I have heard animal shit described as a chemical before today. Or oxegon for that matter. You never know what people are going to say on these boards.

Truth be told, everything in and on this planet is either an element or a construct of elements - i.e., chemicals. Have you ever heard the phrase "carbon based life forms" in Star Trek? That's us. Our chemical make-up is largely composed of molecules that have a carbon base (or backbone). Human beings (and all life on this planet) are just one big chemical soup!

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm going to run into a problem developing an issue with this particular issue. 

I love sweet corn, and it is available far too rarely, here in my desert.  Just grill it in the husks, and eat it with the handle God provided. 

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

You are correct E. Coli is a bacteria, a nasty one too. Still, would you want to knowingly eat food that has E. Coli parts in it?

As to your Peer reviewed studies, where were the peer reviewed studies before allowing Monsanto to produce these gmo foods? Who were they conducted by?

Here's a bit more about that:

The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) urges doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for all patients. They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility. Human studies show how genetically modified (GM) food can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems. Genes inserted into GM soy, for example, can transfer into the DNA of bacteria living inside us, and that the toxic insecticide produced by GM corn was found in the blood of pregnant women and their unborn fetuses.

The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) doesn’t think so. The Academy reported that “Several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food,” including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, faulty insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system. The AAEM asked physicians to advise patients to avoid GM foods.
Before the FDA decided to allow GMOs into food without labeling, FDA scientists had repeatedly warned that GM foods can create unpredictable, hard-to-detect side effects, including allergies, toxins, new diseases, and nutritional problems. They urged long-term safety studies, but were ignored.

Since then, findings include:

Thousands of sheep, buffalo, and goats in India died after grazing on Bt cotton plants
Mice eating GM corn for the long term had fewer, and smaller, babies
More than half the babies of mother rats fed GM soy died within three weeks, and were smaller
Testicle cells of mice and rats on a GM soy change significantly
By the third generation, most GM soy-fed hamsters lost the ability to have babies
Rodents fed GM corn and soy showed immune system responses and signs of toxicity
Cooked GM soy contains as much as 7-times the amount of a known soy allergen
Soy allergies skyrocketed by 50% in the UK, soon after GM soy was introduced
The stomach lining of rats fed GM potatoes showed excessive cell growth, a condition that may lead to cancer.
Studies showed organ lesions, altered liver and pancreas cells, changed enzyme levels, etc.
Unlike safety evaluations for drugs, there are no human clinical trials of GM foods. The only published human feeding experiment revealed that the genetic material inserted into GM soy transfers into bacteria living inside our intestines and continues to function. This means that long after we stop eating GM foods, we may still have their GM proteins produced continuously inside us. This could mean:

If the antibiotic gene inserted into most GM crops were to transfer, it could create super diseases, resistant to antibiotics
If the gene that creates Bt-toxin in GM corn were to transfer, it might turn our intestinal bacteria into living pesticide factories.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
Not that relevant in this discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
Not that relevant in this discussion.

I was simply responding to your post.