Termyn8or
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I was going to UFR on this, but I decided that it probably wasn't going to be so fast.
I am not an expert on genetics. I do know what people will do for money. I know that owners of restaurants usually do not eat the food they sell, especially fast food restaurants. I know that Jews and Arabs will sell pork, and I know that Monsanto executives most likely buy their corn from other sources, if they eat corn. I know that successful crack dealers do not do crack, or very little if at all, same with weed dealers. I know that many bar owners do not drink, or drink very little. I would imagine that most tobacco companies are likely headed by non smokers.
Not buying your own product is pretty popular among the successful. Everything I've said is not gospel, but just use a little common sense. Think to yourself, do the executives at Pfizer take mood altering drugs ? One of the most important things in business is if you want to be successful do not be your own customer.
"unless you raise your own food and you got your seeds and livestock before 1990, you're already easting gmo foods and probably don't even know it. "
You are correct, but I know it. Grow tomatoes ? When those tomatoes rot, the ones you don't pick, the fruit serves it's purpose. The seeds have been known to grow in sewers and shit and clog up the system. They are that profilic. Not any more. Most seeds you buy today produce sterile plants. They make more money that way.
"Having grown up on a small farm, i dislike monsanto with a passion... "
You are not alone.
"I also think our food supply has become progressively less healthy over the past 30 years"
Longer than that. I have tried to express the difference in quality of life versus the average life expectancy but it usually falls on deaf ears. People wer much healthier decades ago, three decades ago was when it really started getting bad. Whil senatde document 264 is not conclusive or gospel or anything of the sort, it does make sense, common sense. Well it was.....
"There's much more humane ways to control population growth than starving a billion people to death."
I know that, but timing is kinda important don't ya think ? You have to do things BEFORE not AFTER. It's too late now.
"My objection is not so much that it is GMO, although it does concern me. It is the use of pesticides (Round up ready?) that primarily concerns me, as a health issue."
I hear ya, but in some cases these induced genetic mutations can produce plants that are more resistant to insect attacks and can require less pesticides. Pesticides cost money, and greater yields can be achieved, but I do have to get back to that later because there is a factor involving the absoption of the minerals by the plants from the soil. You get more tons of "food" but you have NOT extracted more nutrients from the soil. Their replacement is the biggest problem as I have stated in the past, and there is no easy answer. If you want the soil restored to "virgin" quality get ready to pay ten bucks for each tomato.
"They just called it cross breeding instead. "
It's not quite the same thing. This crossbreeding did not result in sterile crops. There is a big difference.
"and what chemicals were being used "as long as humans have been around"? "
Fish heads, sea salt, a few other things. It wasn't quite the DNA sequencer and electron microscope, but it was done. It was just simpller and more natural. I think that such techniques are less likely to blow up in our face though, than the things they do today. That is a subject that could be explored as well.
"First the head of the FDA was formerly like the CEO of Monsanto...no conflict of interest there right? "
I beat you to that one but "or even more once the soil fertility is damaged beyond repair" is a very grave concern. Do you know what actually in nature repleneshes the soil ? That is not a rhetorical question and I hope for an answer. This will give way to advancing this discussion in a positive way.
"You think monsanto is doing gmo seed to be altruistic?"
I like your sense of humor. It's about on par with mine.
"very upset when the farmer next door was spraying his crops,"
Dr. R. J. Rodale had something similar happen. He cleaned out his system to the point where it was detrimental. He bought a farm and did completely natural growing, ate all his own produce and lived pretty much chemical free. A neighboring farm hired a cropduster and of course the guy did his job, however some of the pesticide got onto the Rodale place. He found out later that the pesticides sprayed down the road had gotten into his system and he had absolutely no tolerance for it. It made him dizzy actually and he knew other doctors. They teted him for everything and it took some time, but the problem was isolated. As far as I know there was no lawsuit, because back then we weren't quite the litigatious "society" of today. But this whole episode raised in my mind the question of just how clean do we want to be ? Maybe we just have to get used to some poisons because we simply cannot avoid them effectively enough. I guess that would be adapting to our environment.
"Again, hybridization and cross breeding is different than "gene splicing". "
Then do we accept that ? It's not a matter of whether it is natural or not, whatever mankind does on this planet is natural in the pure form of the word. What is in question is whether these certain steps or trends are desirable or acceptable.
"I comb through and get the seed specifically marked heirloom. "
I'll take that as probably good advice, but can you be sure ? I think in today's day and age maybe the only way to know for sure is have the seeds from plants you grew yourself. I am not the trusting sort when it comes to business.
"Yes, my father would rotate his crops and he would grow something (cant remember now what) in between that would just get plowed into the soil and grown just to help the soil stay healthy and rich in nutrients."
There ae a few types of crops that do that, among them black eyes peas. The word fallow comes to mind and really I am not a farmer. I just know a bunch of shit. I do know an expert in genetics and a farmer, I will be contacting both soon. This might just get more interesting.
"Btw,.. gmos are banned in Europe... if they can be banned there, why cant they be labeled here?"
You REALLY don't want me to tell you do you ? Why crank up your blood pressure ? the answer is obvious.
"It seems to be a fungus combined with a virus that is causing Colony Collapse Disorder: "
I will have to check that out. You know there is a virus in milk now, put there purposely. Strangely there used to be a bunch of information available about this but it is all gone now. But when milk spoils it no longer goes sour, it gets bitter. You can do your own experiment if you like. It is not the same, and another proof is the expiration date. This was done to increase shelf life. That's the protection of your FDA. Bought and paid for.
"Plus commercial honey bees are often trucked from place to place to fertilize crops, which increases stress on the hive. "
There was a time they didn't have to be, remember ?
"Monsanto has fundamentally changed agriculture in this country. "
Why only here ? Could it be that common sense still exists elswhere ?
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